This is accurate. I've lived with my boyfriend for a little over a year and he soon proposed. But as time went on, we realized how hostile and unsupportive we were, not only that but we are both abstaining from sex until marriage and it became a real hard rule to follow to the point where we were angry with each other! I just moved back to my moms house until we can finalize our marriage and then we can live the lives that God intends for us to live :)
Morgan - 12 years ago
I think this is all bullshit. What is wrong with living together before marriage? Absolutely nothing. Yeah, William was kind of a dick about it, and I totally disagree with him, but all you so called Christians out there judging each other aren't any better. I am not a very christian person myself, but I will respect your opinions on that junk. If you must live with the person you are dating to survive, there is nothing wrong with it. If you choose to just to do it, there is nothing wrong with it. I choose to because I want to. It is nice to get used to living with the person before you get married, because if it doesn't work out, at least there isn't a divorce involved. Times have changed. Although I watch Andy Griffith a lot and think about how life was back then, It's not like that now and that is just fine with me. And I will go ahead and throw in this that I used to be very christian, and there isn't any difference in life as a christian and not as one. I used to pray all the time and actually believed in it, but the only thing that did was give me a false sense of security, and made me believe everything was going better. Whether I pray or not, things are still going to break, money will still be tight, and work will still be slim until I get training done and find work on my own. Thank you, I look forward to responses to this.
jay - 12 years ago
ALL I CAN SAY IS, LOVE IS THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL... WHERE THERE IS LOVE, THERE IS GOD...
Ramona - 13 years ago
Hi all, I read this interesting site on what judging is. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/ddd_chc82/theology/doctrine_n_beingjudgmental.html
Please read, I must say...I agree with the writer.
Rose - 13 years ago
Ramona, no that's not judging. William's comment seemed harsh and judgmental because he said "You must belong to the Church Of My Convenience. All members there are on there way to hell.". I think it's fine to point out a behavior that clearly goes against God's teachings but only if it's to inform someone in an attempt to bring them closer to God. As Christians are we supposed to belittle others or make them feel less worthy of God's love? I hate to say it but reading some of the above posts helps me to understand why some people feel that Christians always act like they're better than others. No human can make the assumption that someone is going to hell....so THAT was judgmental, not pointing out that living together before marriage is a sin. Like Amber and Ray pointed out...the decision to live together prior to marriage (OR ANY OTHER SIN) is between that person and God. Only God knows what's in our hearts and what is motivating us.
ramona - 13 years ago
Just a question. I just want to understand this judging thing:
For example: If someone steals from you and you say one of God's commands is thou shalt not steal, is that judging them?
If someone worships an idol and I tell them thou shalt only worship the Lord thy God and no other thing, is that judging them?
If I know someone who hates his neighbour and I see you must love your neighbour as you love yourself, am I judging him?
If the answer is yes to the two questions above, then it seems to me that no one should tell anyone that they are doing wrong (including our kids) because then we are judging them.?
Please advise.
Amber - 13 years ago
I am so tired of watching Christians fight amongst each other "righteously", condemning each other to hell, and all that stuff. Is this any different from non-Christians bullying and cursing each other? No it's not. I can't even go online to a Christian forum without having to hear other Christians one-upping each other, bragging about how "justifiably righteous" they are to another Christian, thinking it's okay to judge just because you are "judging through God's eyes" Take the plank out of your eye first. IF SOMEONE does or does not want to live together before marriage, that is between them and God. God judges our motives based on the individual. God sees our hearts. Who cares what the outside world thinks. Personally, I choose to wait till marriage to live together, but if another Christian chooses opposite, that doesn't make them any less Christian.
vj - 13 years ago
The temptation and pressure to go along with the crowd in today's culture to cohabit with your bf or gf is great, but the bible is clear if you're a professing follower of Jesus Christ to stay clear of any sexual immorality.... Ephesians 5:3-8 "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people....For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light.... Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
We either make a commitment to remain in the dark or in the spirit! Which way will it be? The straight and narrow which leads to life or the wide and easy which leads to death?
bob - 13 years ago
Where in the Bible does it say not to live in the same household as your partner? Some people have shitty jobs and needo to have additional income to make it. If its so bad then God should bless us all with the means to make more cash... and I'm sorry but praying
doesn't solve anything.. I'm a police officer and barely make enough to scrape by. So should I quit my job which most of you aggnorant people areavout to say... no who would protect you married folks at home.... I live with my fiance out of necessity and I don't have close family to lean on I have her. And prayer has not once made my check bigger.. if anything its frozen thanks to governor rick Perry so maybe I should pray to him.... so quit my job and through what I love away or live on the street? Or how about get real and quit acting so offended by it... and by the way we all sin and have fallen short of the glory of God whether were married and living together or not.... I bet most of you shit golden eggs like the rest of the people who come here... try living on the street for a week then living together doesn't sound so bad... unless you want to throw in the story of job to this.... I can do this all night... have fun judging this one... ill be praying for you haha owned period
Ray - 13 years ago
Lulu - How can you justify that the way Abby is using scripture is wrong? This is where I am torn on when it is "ok" with most Christians to quote the Bible. Is it only OK to quote it when it is in agreement with YOUR opinion? I was raised in a Christian home - far from perfect - but the beliefs were presented to us. We, being human, cannot live up to every expectation in the Bible. Do we know the rules? Yes. Do we follow all of them? We sure as hell try. But I have to agree with Abby - William's response does sound a bit judgmental. Does he know the heart and faith of Adam and his family? I doubt it. Once Adam gets married, will William be ok with it and praise his decision? Who knows - we are not William either. Judgment is a characteristic we all have. We just have to know when is best to use it.
lulu - 13 years ago
Abby, William is not being judgemental. He is just telling it like it is, so if you feel somehow offended then you should start questioning yourself why. Cause the truth can somehow be hard and harsh. And by the way don't use Gods Word to justify something totally wrong
Abby - 13 years ago
William, doesn't God tell us not to judge? Matthew 7:1, Jesus says “Do not judge, or you too will be judged”.
William - 13 years ago
Well Adam my man, if you believe all this and think all is blessed? You must belong to the Church Of My Convenience. All members there are on there way to hell. So there you have it. God said it , I beleive it , and that settles it. Your living in sin and cannot make any excuses for it except to the devil him self.
adam - 14 years ago
Im a believer in God and so is my girlfriend THAT I LIVE WITH as well as her two children and my two children. We are doing very well and soon to be married. We are in love like never before. Im so glad we have God in our lives and still living together with out being married. We grow as christians every day. so there you have it.
Santo - 14 years ago
Yo tengo dos amigos. Me gusta la casa de amiga. Yo tengo clase de espanol.
Dana - 14 years ago
My family is turned up side down by this very thing as we speak! I hate how hard we fight to instill Godly principals in our children and they so easily can be swept away by this blind Godless culture we live in. What keeps me going is this scripture. Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way they should go , and when they are old they shall not depart from it. That gives me peace. It takes it out of my hands and puts it in God's hands. I have found that our children can get off track, but they always come back. It may take some time and many tears but that is where our faith meets God's faith. I cheered myself up. I hope it helps everyone who is in the same boat with me. God bless you and keep fighting the good fight!
Matt - 14 years ago
First of all, i would just like to say to veronica that your dont have to feel guilty, you did the best that you could do to raise your children and now all you can do is continuously pray for them so that they will see the light which is Jesus Christ. As for cohabiting before marriage, it is a sin and i am very grieved to see that there are some "christians" that have said it is ok. The WORD OF GOD says that it is not and that is what we are to go by as children of God.
veronica - 14 years ago
I am a recent Christian who has always told my young adult children not to have sex before marriage or live with someone before marrage. I did not. But they do and think it is just fine! My husband feels the same way I do. I am so terribly angry with the culture. For not fault of my own I feel guilty! I don't know which is worse feeling horrible that my children made these choices or that some how I am a malfunctioning mother! I hate this!
This is accurate. I've lived with my boyfriend for a little over a year and he soon proposed. But as time went on, we realized how hostile and unsupportive we were, not only that but we are both abstaining from sex until marriage and it became a real hard rule to follow to the point where we were angry with each other! I just moved back to my moms house until we can finalize our marriage and then we can live the lives that God intends for us to live :)
I think this is all bullshit. What is wrong with living together before marriage? Absolutely nothing. Yeah, William was kind of a dick about it, and I totally disagree with him, but all you so called Christians out there judging each other aren't any better. I am not a very christian person myself, but I will respect your opinions on that junk. If you must live with the person you are dating to survive, there is nothing wrong with it. If you choose to just to do it, there is nothing wrong with it. I choose to because I want to. It is nice to get used to living with the person before you get married, because if it doesn't work out, at least there isn't a divorce involved. Times have changed. Although I watch Andy Griffith a lot and think about how life was back then, It's not like that now and that is just fine with me. And I will go ahead and throw in this that I used to be very christian, and there isn't any difference in life as a christian and not as one. I used to pray all the time and actually believed in it, but the only thing that did was give me a false sense of security, and made me believe everything was going better. Whether I pray or not, things are still going to break, money will still be tight, and work will still be slim until I get training done and find work on my own. Thank you, I look forward to responses to this.
ALL I CAN SAY IS, LOVE IS THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL... WHERE THERE IS LOVE, THERE IS GOD...
Hi all, I read this interesting site on what judging is. http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/ddd_chc82/theology/doctrine_n_beingjudgmental.html
Please read, I must say...I agree with the writer.
Ramona, no that's not judging. William's comment seemed harsh and judgmental because he said "You must belong to the Church Of My Convenience. All members there are on there way to hell.". I think it's fine to point out a behavior that clearly goes against God's teachings but only if it's to inform someone in an attempt to bring them closer to God. As Christians are we supposed to belittle others or make them feel less worthy of God's love? I hate to say it but reading some of the above posts helps me to understand why some people feel that Christians always act like they're better than others. No human can make the assumption that someone is going to hell....so THAT was judgmental, not pointing out that living together before marriage is a sin. Like Amber and Ray pointed out...the decision to live together prior to marriage (OR ANY OTHER SIN) is between that person and God. Only God knows what's in our hearts and what is motivating us.
Just a question. I just want to understand this judging thing:
For example: If someone steals from you and you say one of God's commands is thou shalt not steal, is that judging them?
If someone worships an idol and I tell them thou shalt only worship the Lord thy God and no other thing, is that judging them?
If I know someone who hates his neighbour and I see you must love your neighbour as you love yourself, am I judging him?
If the answer is yes to the two questions above, then it seems to me that no one should tell anyone that they are doing wrong (including our kids) because then we are judging them.?
Please advise.
I am so tired of watching Christians fight amongst each other "righteously", condemning each other to hell, and all that stuff. Is this any different from non-Christians bullying and cursing each other? No it's not. I can't even go online to a Christian forum without having to hear other Christians one-upping each other, bragging about how "justifiably righteous" they are to another Christian, thinking it's okay to judge just because you are "judging through God's eyes" Take the plank out of your eye first. IF SOMEONE does or does not want to live together before marriage, that is between them and God. God judges our motives based on the individual. God sees our hearts. Who cares what the outside world thinks. Personally, I choose to wait till marriage to live together, but if another Christian chooses opposite, that doesn't make them any less Christian.
The temptation and pressure to go along with the crowd in today's culture to cohabit with your bf or gf is great, but the bible is clear if you're a professing follower of Jesus Christ to stay clear of any sexual immorality.... Ephesians 5:3-8 "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people....For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light.... Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
We either make a commitment to remain in the dark or in the spirit! Which way will it be? The straight and narrow which leads to life or the wide and easy which leads to death?
Where in the Bible does it say not to live in the same household as your partner? Some people have shitty jobs and needo to have additional income to make it. If its so bad then God should bless us all with the means to make more cash... and I'm sorry but praying
doesn't solve anything.. I'm a police officer and barely make enough to scrape by. So should I quit my job which most of you aggnorant people areavout to say... no who would protect you married folks at home.... I live with my fiance out of necessity and I don't have close family to lean on I have her. And prayer has not once made my check bigger.. if anything its frozen thanks to governor rick Perry so maybe I should pray to him.... so quit my job and through what I love away or live on the street? Or how about get real and quit acting so offended by it... and by the way we all sin and have fallen short of the glory of God whether were married and living together or not.... I bet most of you shit golden eggs like the rest of the people who come here... try living on the street for a week then living together doesn't sound so bad... unless you want to throw in the story of job to this.... I can do this all night... have fun judging this one... ill be praying for you haha owned period
Lulu - How can you justify that the way Abby is using scripture is wrong? This is where I am torn on when it is "ok" with most Christians to quote the Bible. Is it only OK to quote it when it is in agreement with YOUR opinion? I was raised in a Christian home - far from perfect - but the beliefs were presented to us. We, being human, cannot live up to every expectation in the Bible. Do we know the rules? Yes. Do we follow all of them? We sure as hell try. But I have to agree with Abby - William's response does sound a bit judgmental. Does he know the heart and faith of Adam and his family? I doubt it. Once Adam gets married, will William be ok with it and praise his decision? Who knows - we are not William either. Judgment is a characteristic we all have. We just have to know when is best to use it.
Abby, William is not being judgemental. He is just telling it like it is, so if you feel somehow offended then you should start questioning yourself why. Cause the truth can somehow be hard and harsh. And by the way don't use Gods Word to justify something totally wrong
William, doesn't God tell us not to judge? Matthew 7:1, Jesus says “Do not judge, or you too will be judged”.
Well Adam my man, if you believe all this and think all is blessed? You must belong to the Church Of My Convenience. All members there are on there way to hell. So there you have it. God said it , I beleive it , and that settles it. Your living in sin and cannot make any excuses for it except to the devil him self.
Im a believer in God and so is my girlfriend THAT I LIVE WITH as well as her two children and my two children. We are doing very well and soon to be married. We are in love like never before. Im so glad we have God in our lives and still living together with out being married. We grow as christians every day. so there you have it.
Yo tengo dos amigos. Me gusta la casa de amiga. Yo tengo clase de espanol.
My family is turned up side down by this very thing as we speak! I hate how hard we fight to instill Godly principals in our children and they so easily can be swept away by this blind Godless culture we live in. What keeps me going is this scripture. Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way they should go , and when they are old they shall not depart from it. That gives me peace. It takes it out of my hands and puts it in God's hands. I have found that our children can get off track, but they always come back. It may take some time and many tears but that is where our faith meets God's faith. I cheered myself up. I hope it helps everyone who is in the same boat with me. God bless you and keep fighting the good fight!
First of all, i would just like to say to veronica that your dont have to feel guilty, you did the best that you could do to raise your children and now all you can do is continuously pray for them so that they will see the light which is Jesus Christ. As for cohabiting before marriage, it is a sin and i am very grieved to see that there are some "christians" that have said it is ok. The WORD OF GOD says that it is not and that is what we are to go by as children of God.
I am a recent Christian who has always told my young adult children not to have sex before marriage or live with someone before marrage. I did not. But they do and think it is just fine! My husband feels the same way I do. I am so terribly angry with the culture. For not fault of my own I feel guilty! I don't know which is worse feeling horrible that my children made these choices or that some how I am a malfunctioning mother! I hate this!