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Lea and Susannah should consider all the scripture used by Shaun. You can't just pull a little out of Rev. and Daniel to postulate your doctrine - especially when there is a mountain of other clear passages (which Shaun articulates) that contradict your [false] doctrine. It is amazing how so many Christians are lead astray by a verse or two pulled out of context (and what's worse, pulled out of context in highly figurative and symbolic prophetic scripture).
Thank you, Lea, for the clarity in your comment. I am a Bible scholar and an eschatology student, and my reading of the Word coincides with yours. I'm afraid that many with the outlook and interpretation shared by Shaun Hurrie are of the mistaken opinion that God has forsaken Israel and replaced her with the church. Nowhere does it say that God will forsake His beloved; by contrast, He says that He will never forsake them. Jesus tells the church that she is His bride and that He will come for her. It is a mistake to confuse them.
Jesus tells John in Revelation to: 1. Write what was 2. Write what is 3. Write what is to be. Revelation is not hard to understand. Jesus gives an account of the seven churches. This addresses the actual churches He mentions by name, types of churches, and types of Christians. The Body of Christ, the true believers are not present after the fourth chapter.
Revelation details the Nation of Israel and how God is going to bring His chosen people back to Himself. Under no circumstances is the church going to be on earth during the tribulation. We know the timeline because it is documented in the Book of Daniel.
Nowhere does Jesus even imply that He comes as a thief in the night to his church, for they are watching for Him. They are commanded 20 times to do so. Jesus was speaking of those who were unbelievers or those who didn't heed His commandment to watch. We must always read Bible verses in context of who is being spoken to or of.
I pray for the unsaved. The Rapture of the Church is upon us. This world will be so wicked that we cannot even imagine what is going to happen except we are told throughout the Bible how things will be.
May God have mercy on us all until Christ comes with a shout and we hear the trumpet.
Maranatha!
Hello Robert,
Let me get this right. A novel convinced you of the so-called pre-tribulation rapture of the church? I say so-called as I also believe in tribulation for believers, but I don't narrow it down to merely some 7 year period in the future (with a supposedly more intense last 3.5 year period) after Christ has supposedly taken His church into heaven. A plain reading of the prologue of Revelation in 1:1-3 shows that John was being shown things which would "soon" take place or things that were "near." Pushing the whole book into some undefined future to fit the Dispensational Premillenial system is nothing short of textual masochism, and it would have meant NOTHING to the seven churches to whom the prophecy was originally written. And to top it off, it is these guys (Tim Lahaye, Jack Van Impe etc) who scream the loudest about a consistent "literal" reading of Scripture. Indeed John actually says in the 9th verse of chapter one that he is a "partner in the tribulation..." with the servants of Christ (then and now) who would read this prophecy. Prophecy is NOT simply speculating about future events, but declaring the already revealed truth of God with His authority.
The plain teaching of other clear passages in the NT (which provide the parameter for our understanding of the OT prophecies as well as the book of Revelation; such as John 5:25-29, John 6:35-40, John 14:1-4 almost all the the sermons in Acts, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 (the favorite supposedly silent (??) rapture of the church with the trumpet of God??) and into chapter 5:1-11 talking about the SAME day of Christ's return and 2 Thess 2:1-12) all point to "a day", the "last day" (not 1001 years before the last day) when Christ will return to gather His elect (by resurrection from death or being caught up to join Him in His return) and judge the unbeliever. There is ONE return of Christ (the second coming) ONE resurrection (just a separation between wheat and tares), ONE judgment day. Though there have been periods of more intense tribulation (great tribulation - Matt. 24:21), such as the lead up to and the final destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70, tribulation is part and parcel of living in this present evil age as a follower of Jesus Christ. In fact THE mark of an elect person is that they will endure to the end and receive their inheritance, the consummated ETERNAL (not merely 1000 year) kingdom of God over which Christ now rules (Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13; John 16:33; Acts 2:29-33, 14:22; Rom. 1:1-4).
The bottom line my friend is that the Bible's arguments interpreting the Bible's arguments provides the basic framework for understanding eschatology, not novels with vague references to single proof-texts to fit an already pre-supposed system of "end-times" events.
I write this as a fellow brother in Christ who for 7 years ardently followed the popular prophecy guys for my answers before God convicted me to actually read His word (along with some help from church history for general guidance) as the authority. My view is now much simpler and I don't have to do textual gymnastics to fit everything into the pre-defined prophecy scheme.
God Bless,
Shaun.
Tim Lahayes' series "Left Behind" convinced me that the time for the elect will be shortened and we'll have pre-trib. I also have been taught by many ministers that the church isn't mentioned after the 3rd chapter of Revelation when the woes begin. I also have been assured by the Holy Spirit in my own life that this teaching is true. It is the only way Christ can receive His church "like a thief in the night" because upon His arrival, praise God, to touch down on this earth on the mount of olives, trumpets and the light of His Glory will be quite loud and overwhelming! Zephaniah also talks of "gathering yourselves together before the decree" meaning the church assembles before anti-christs 7-year peace treaty with Israel, according to Perry Stone. Even so come, Lord Jesus.