dude the guy won 270 games with a good era in the middle of the "steroid era" ENOUGH SAID!!! curt schilling doesnt deserve to be in the hall
Jerry - 11 years ago
You missed a key stat. Every eligible pitcher with a win loss differential over 100 is in the hall of fame. I think the neutralized stat is bogus because you pitch differently with a big lead or when you'd team scores a lot of runs. The ws argument contradicts this. If you win a world series you're on a good team. What was whitey fords neutralized record? Who cares he won games
Joe - 12 years ago
He certainly is HOF worthy. I would like to add to the debate the "era" in wich he pitched should be included in the discussion of his worthiness. If sabermetrics the new yardstick to qualify for entry to the HOF? How would the current HOF pitching roster look if it were?
Jon - 12 years ago
Mussina had only 1 balk in his whole career! Can you believe nowhere on the Internet, does it say which pitchers, Hall- of Famers or not, had the least balks in their career. I guess it would have to be him. Steve Carlton had the most.
Big Pat - 12 years ago
His relief pitchers sucked in Baltimore... Baltimore was good maybe 3 years of his 10 there... and to win 20 games in your last year.. is the key for him to get in.. one more thing you win rings as a team. and he did get there 2 times just didnt win.
Alejandro - 13 years ago
And can we stop using post season success as metric or hall of fame worthiness o
These blogs? Baseball IS NOT basketball. A player can be great and never even reach the postseason, because maybe he played 10+ seasons for a crap organization with a bad front office (like, I Baltimore) that simply gave up on trying to field good teams. To saythat Moose wasn't a dominant pitcher in the 90's is lunacy. If he had been with thr Yanks for his truly prime years, we would not even be having this conversation.
Alejandro - 13 years ago
Is Mussina better than Blylevin? No. Is he better than Kaat, John or Tiant? Yes
matt - 13 years ago
if you say that only historically superb players don't belong in the hall of fame, than about half the players in there shouldn't be. moose was a great pitcher. he was just unfortunate enough to play with baltimore (which would explain 270 wins and no ring). but he had nearly 3000 k's, nearly 300 wins, was one the best fielding pitchers ever, and revolutionized that knuckle curve, which was absolutely nasty.
baird - 14 years ago
Is Mussina better than Blyleven, Kaat or John? Or Tiant for that matter? Pitched two absolutely Gibson like games in 1997 ALCS against an offensive juggernaut Indians team!
Wayne Barr - 14 years ago
Mussina was never a dominant pitcher in his career. a compiler. Unlike a Don Sutton, Mussina didn't compile enough wins. ERA too high.
Steve - 14 years ago
Good players don't belong in the Hall. Great players don't belong in the Hall. Only historically superb players belong in the Hall, and Mussina was only great. Top Ten in Cy Young voting doesn't score many points with me. Not enough black ink. No rings.
dude the guy won 270 games with a good era in the middle of the "steroid era" ENOUGH SAID!!! curt schilling doesnt deserve to be in the hall
You missed a key stat. Every eligible pitcher with a win loss differential over 100 is in the hall of fame. I think the neutralized stat is bogus because you pitch differently with a big lead or when you'd team scores a lot of runs. The ws argument contradicts this. If you win a world series you're on a good team. What was whitey fords neutralized record? Who cares he won games
He certainly is HOF worthy. I would like to add to the debate the "era" in wich he pitched should be included in the discussion of his worthiness. If sabermetrics the new yardstick to qualify for entry to the HOF? How would the current HOF pitching roster look if it were?
Mussina had only 1 balk in his whole career! Can you believe nowhere on the Internet, does it say which pitchers, Hall- of Famers or not, had the least balks in their career. I guess it would have to be him. Steve Carlton had the most.
His relief pitchers sucked in Baltimore... Baltimore was good maybe 3 years of his 10 there... and to win 20 games in your last year.. is the key for him to get in.. one more thing you win rings as a team. and he did get there 2 times just didnt win.
And can we stop using post season success as metric or hall of fame worthiness o
These blogs? Baseball IS NOT basketball. A player can be great and never even reach the postseason, because maybe he played 10+ seasons for a crap organization with a bad front office (like, I Baltimore) that simply gave up on trying to field good teams. To saythat Moose wasn't a dominant pitcher in the 90's is lunacy. If he had been with thr Yanks for his truly prime years, we would not even be having this conversation.
Is Mussina better than Blylevin? No. Is he better than Kaat, John or Tiant? Yes
if you say that only historically superb players don't belong in the hall of fame, than about half the players in there shouldn't be. moose was a great pitcher. he was just unfortunate enough to play with baltimore (which would explain 270 wins and no ring). but he had nearly 3000 k's, nearly 300 wins, was one the best fielding pitchers ever, and revolutionized that knuckle curve, which was absolutely nasty.
Is Mussina better than Blyleven, Kaat or John? Or Tiant for that matter? Pitched two absolutely Gibson like games in 1997 ALCS against an offensive juggernaut Indians team!
Mussina was never a dominant pitcher in his career. a compiler. Unlike a Don Sutton, Mussina didn't compile enough wins. ERA too high.
Good players don't belong in the Hall. Great players don't belong in the Hall. Only historically superb players belong in the Hall, and Mussina was only great. Top Ten in Cy Young voting doesn't score many points with me. Not enough black ink. No rings.