Will Canada lose too much sovereignty if it creates a coordinated security perimeter with the U.S.?

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  • Rebecca Gingrich - 13 years ago

    We won the War of 1812 but have lost our country.
    Why was this not discussed during the election, or are all the political Parties in favour of giving our Country to a foreign power? Our country and our governments are controlled by corporations and this is just more proof that we mean nothing to our 'leaders', but the banksters and the corporations have all the clout in our 'democracy'.
    This move will destroy the Canada we have believed in and we will no longer be a sovereign nation but a puppet of the controllers.

  • Sandy Anderson - 13 years ago

    I was hoping we could vote on cbc at the same time.

    LET'S VOTE ON CBC BEFORE HARPER SUCCEEDS IN SNEAKING IT AWAY UNDER OUR UNWATCHFUL NOSES|!!

    THANK YOU,
    Sandy

  • Fernando Vieira dos Santos - 13 years ago

    It is just about time that Canada take the bull by the horns and start to be an independent country without loosing what the forfathers worked for, we are different, we have different needs and we have the expertize to fullfill all our duties, just put it to work.
    In it's own time Canada made the first jet airliner, the best jet fighter (avro-arrow), and many other achivments, we do not need the americans for any thing but need us for many things.
    We have everything we need, including skiled manpower. It is just a matter of growing up and do it, like we did during WW II .

  • Elvin - 13 years ago

    Cross border movement of goods is fast and efficient at this time (except for Windsor)
    As a long haul trucker, I cross the US/BC border weekly. If the brokers have done their job,
    Crossing either way is about two minutes. The longest time in entering the US . They employ gas sniffers, radiation detectors and x-ray checks. So far no groping by TSA.
    We don need no stinking yankees patroling our borders. The USA wants to use up everyone elses resources, then save their own for themselves.

  • R G Langille - 13 years ago

    This is the boarder guards and nothing more
    it has nothing to do with anything else
    it will open the boarder for free trade you know the free movement of people goods and services and that is all
    all the rest of this is total bs and lies

  • Michael Beach - 13 years ago

    I am heartened to read the comments above and feel the company of thinking, aware people!
    We are gradually having our civil liberties eroded by fear and greed based policies of our corporate run government. Sovereignty begins with the individual. If the individual is not sovereign then the country is not sovereign.
    Right now the TSA is developing a police state under the guise of travel security. They claim to be protecting travellers while they trample individual rights. If Canada and the USA create a common security perimeter you can be sure that the NSA, TSA, CIA, FBI etc. will be telling CSIS and Transport Canada what to do and we will all be subject to the loss of civil liberties that has already befallen the American citizen!
    The G 20 debacle in Toronto is a blatant example of what we can look forward to if we buy into the fear based agenda of the corporate masters. Rather than get caught up in this bogus perimeter debate we should be pushing for a federal public enquiry into the responsible people and planning that allowed undeterred, massive destruction of public and private property in the streets of Toronto while a thousand harmless, peaceful citizens were terrorized by the riot police! If we let that go we might as well bend over and take what's coming!

  • D McGowan - 13 years ago

    The whole paranoid posture, this "culture of fear" imposed upon the people of the US is premised upon the events of Sept 11, 2001. Those events are so obviously NOT what the "Officially Sanctioned Conspiracy Theory" insist happened, but rather an Orwellian ploy behind a New World Order. (PNAC - Project For a New American Century) We are being played like a fiddle into supporting US hegemonic wars based on lies! As well as supporting their War Machine, and ultimately their Dollar - their "hegemonic hammer" - by a false need for F-35 Stealth Fighters, that will in all likelihood come equipped with remote control takeover capabilities: just imagine!

    Through Harper's false majority, we end up supporting more elitist's wars in support of the US Dollar as Reserve Currency. Their dollar, in that position, is the only reason that the US has not fallen flat on its face. And don't mess with that position: it is the ultimate sin as Iraq's and now Libya's fate give direct evidence, but of course, under the guise of Responsibility to Protect!

    There is reliable information at www.ae911truth.org as to what DIDN'T happen on that infamous day, and demanding a true investigation into what DID happen!

    We would all do well to read Orwell's 1984 again: or for a first time for those who so obviously missed it on the first go-round.

  • bip - 13 years ago

    The gov't will continue to incrementally implement the NAU despite public opposition. They just keep renaming it, repackaging it, and shoving it in our faces after we've said no. (remember the SPP?)

    Our sovereignty has already been taking from us anyway. The gov't has already given the power to create money to the chartered banks, which create money out of nothing and then charge exorbitant interest on it. Our gov't must go, cap in hand, to the banks and ask to borrow money to cover their deficits instead of creating the money interest free through the Bank of Canada. That is the most fundamental threat to our sovereignty, as our gov't is beholden to unelected, foreign banking cartels because of our massive debt - and thus our gov't caters to their needs, not to the public interest.

    Harper is just continuing the corporate/banking agenda. Martin was for the NAU as well. Our PMs have been corporate/banking puppets since Mulroney. No matter what the public outcry, the march towards corporate hegemony continues.

    Canada's pact with the US to use foreign US troops in Canada case of 'civil emergencies':
    http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d&k=14984
    Another example of our lost sovereignty and a serious red flag for democracy. Using foreign troops to suppress civil unrest has been the tactic of tyrannical gov'ts throughout history. Most recently in Bahrain - the Sunni king brought in Saudi troops to suppress the Shite locals protesting his rule.

    The G20 was a foreshadow of things to come - Harper put the security of his banking buddies over the rights and freedoms of his own people. It can only get worse until people look past the political puppets like Harper and start resisting the banking elites that pull the strings.

    great film on the NAU: United We Fall
    http://pressfortruth.ca/featured_videos.php?vid=7

    great site that exposes the banking elites as the criminal 'financial terrorists' that have taken over the global economy
    www.maxkeiser.com

  • Judie McCabe - 13 years ago

    I cannot help but think that Mr. Harper would like Canada to be part of the US. He appears to cater to them without question.

  • Horst Klaus - 13 years ago

    Canadian souverenity has been replaced long ago by US/Canadian defense industries and Canadian oil - don't we have to export 60% of our oil to the US anyway? A NAU would never work anyway because of the drug war in Mexico and the U.S. And are we not alreadu dancing to the American tunes, i.e. what are we doing in Libya?

  • mike - 13 years ago

    the new conservative harper government (as they demanded to be addressed ) promised that we would not recognise canada after a new conservative harper government majority
    expect an "emergency", expect to be "annexed"

    Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.
    http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=403d90d6-7a61-41ac-8cef-902a1d14879d

  • Wroots - 13 years ago

    I think you're right, "My Opinion". There are sad days ahead for Canada now that that megalomaniac has a majority - of seats, but not votes. I know the number of seats make the government, but the fact remains that 60% of voters in the last election did not vote for Harper. If we had two parties as they do in the US, Harper would have lost. All this to say that the REAL majority lies with the people. We can still protest. We can still strike. There is a lot we can do. Maggie Thatcher was pretty powerful and she was brought down by the people protesting against her poll tax. They say that in North America people are afraid of their governments whereas in Europe governments are afraid of the people - and that's the way it should be. We do not have to put up with Harper's crap. We pay the bills for everything the government does, and that makes us the employers and every politician and government worker is our employee. If Canadians don't want to see Canada virtually handed over to that den of iniquity south of the Canadian border, then Canadians are going to have to stand together in opposition. The big question is, do you care enough about Canada to do this?

  • theatldude - 13 years ago

    Under normal country-country relations, no.

    However, since this nation has been overcome by weak Leftist ideology, chances are all the government will do is bend over to every US demand. Not to mention the fact that even conservatives like, Harper are now the biggest US appeaser since the founding of this nation.

  • My Opinion - 13 years ago

    I answered not sure. We have not heard anything on what exactly this agreement entails, so how do we know if it affects our sovereignty? The only one who knows the details for sure is our PM and he isn’t saying or consulting with the citizens. Either way it doesn’t matter, they have a majority now and they can do whatever they want. I fear there are very sad days ahead for Canada and its citizens.

  • Rick Tufts - 13 years ago

    Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Sept 11, 2001 was an inside job and thus was a crime committed by elements of the U.S. government against it own people, and for that matter, the entire world. That means the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were all based on a fraud and thus were even worse frauds than we already knew. In that same vein, the establishment of a U.S/Canada security perimeter is also a lie, based on a security threat that does not exist, and has never existed. The next step will be a North American Union of the U.S. , Canada, and Mexico and then World Government run by the New World Order.

    Wake up people! You are being had!

    Rick Tufts, Toronto

  • Walt Delaney - 13 years ago

    Linda, I concur with everything you have said!! But you left out CETA which will be Harper's vehicle for the destruction of Canada!

  • Linda - 13 years ago

    Wikileaks said, the N.A.U. is on it's way. They were just waiting for Harper's majority, to implement this merger of, Canada, the U.S. and Mexico.

    We will be known as the, Mexcanericans, our currency will be, the Amero dollar. Borders aren't going to matter. The American people are dead set against, the N.A.U. They absolutely despise Harper. They even say, Harper's election win was rigged. There is a petition with presscore, to try Harper and Peter MacKay for war crimes and crimes against humanity. They say, Harper should be tried for treason. The Americans, just don't like Harper one iota. They want to keep their country sovereign and free, as Canadians do too. I don't think they mind the Canadian people, they don't want to be overrun by Mexicans. They said, the same could happen to Canada. Neither country's citizens, can live on $3.00 per hour, so I see their point. There is a terrible crime element in Mexico. That we don't want either. We've got the Chinese triad. The Chinese now, even want their culture and history, taught in our Canadian schools. We have India and Pakistani people. The air India bombing. We have Arab terrorists. That's bad enough. If there is a N.A.U. those races of people will have to be deported, back to their own countries. The risks will be far too high, for Canada and the U.S.

    They say, the European Union, is doing terrible. They may close their borders, because, of African refugees, fleeing the wars and genocide. Can you imagine, the South American Union? Or, the Arab country's are always at war, within their won country's, and other country's as well.

    When Harper won his majority, we pretty much knew, we could kiss Canada good-bye. Harper can't get along with anyone. The U.S. says, Harper is petty, stubborn and a gasbag. Harper has pissed off far too many country's. So, it remains to see what will happen. Canadians don't have Democracy and Freedom, anymore anyway.

  • max - 13 years ago

    There are 3 ways to do perimeter security

    1 On mutually agreed on terms for sharing critical info for security

    2 Everyone works together and fully understands that Canada is not Mexico and our border is not a seive and both sides get it and co-operate.

    These will most likely never since some in the US gov't already think they are protecting Canada similar to the way they do for Iceland.

    3 It all goes according to what the US wants. Mostly this will happen since our gov't doesn't know how to properly negotiate with another country. Especially the US, eg NAFTA, FTA.

    Sadly, this is what the 'global elite' wants to have happen in order to make a North American Union and then slam the world into a 'New World Order' with the banksters on top enjoying their version of democracy while everyone else is shackeled into indentured servitude to the banksters.

    And to add insult to injury, the banksters are the 'global elite' and they never tell the whole story or truth to the politicians who do all the dirty work

  • Anne Owens - 13 years ago

    Dennis: did you ever hear the old saying: empty vessels make the most noise? And Maya Dawg, how very naughty of you to misspell 'Denis' who, in his learned post, uses the wrong spelling for mis-spell!

  • watchful - 13 years ago

    sorry for the spelling error also - of course it is PIERRE!! I am indeed a rotten typist! (the pen is mightier than the key - and truer! At least in my case!)

  • Maya Dawg - 13 years ago

    Oh Denis ...

    How embarrassing it must be to be you ...

  • watchful - 13 years ago

    Yes - we will definitely lose more of our sovereignty; after seeing far too many US helicopters and planes trolling over my old barn here on PEI , and hearing far too many horror stories of the steady erosion of our precious resources to Yankeeland , I already feel the dreaded beat of that Yankee two step drumming towards our beloved country!Count me as one who soundly resents being that unfortunate flea being stuck on a big old implacable and immovable elephants' back! The one thing we are missing is a government with some backbone that is not afraid to stand up for Canadians for a change- such as was the case with L. B. Pearson and Peirre Trudeau.

  • dennis - 13 years ago

    To Maya Dawg

    How is it you mispell LOSE by typing it as Loose (twice) ?
    These are not typos, they are brain errors because you never considered spelling important.

    How is Loose = opposiite of Tight ...supposed to be the equivalent of "Lose" - opposite of NOT WINNING .

  • Har -de -Har - 13 years ago

    Lots of communities participate in neighborhood watch, this is just an expanded version .

  • Danny the True Nationalist - 13 years ago

    Any true nationalist would believe in his country's capabalities to take care of it's own national security and public safety. There are too many differences between Canada and the US and I want to see my country less dependent on others. Why do we have to wait for them and do everything with them.

    Let's stop losing our sovereignty.

  • dennis - 13 years ago

    Lose Sovereignty ! You have to be kidding right?

    What sovereignty did we have always hitchhiking on US planes to get overseas because of liberals and their decimating the military ?

    I doubt you will publish this because I am not part of the looney left.

    Dennis

  • Ed Sasha - 13 years ago

    Some excellent comments have preceded mine on the subject of North American perimeter security; rather than repeat them I'll just say that I agree with the sentiments expressed wholeheartedly (in the first six messages posted) and change the subject by applauding Peggy Nash for standing firm in not permitting Evan Solomon to bully her into responding to his agenda. He does try so hard to turn a molehill into a mountain; I have to wonder where he was (and his CBC colleagues, with the exception of Terry Milewski) during the pre-election period when some legitimately tough questions needed to be asked.

  • Anne Owens - 13 years ago

    I absolutely loathe, fear and absolutely reject the very idea of any US guards patrolling our shores and borders. I know 9/11 changed everything. I recognize that we've experienced one incident of someone carrying explosives across our border into the US but, for heaven's sake, do we have to put up with, what I consider, a gross and steady erosion of our rights and freedom just because the US demands it?

    This I know for sure.....Prime Minister Chretien or any other previous PM would never have allowed it.

  • Thunderstruck Canuck - 13 years ago

    Perimeter-schmeritmer. It's not in America's nature to trust anyone else for security. We'll spend $$, make concessions, and gain nothing.

  • CM - 13 years ago

    Has anyone seen Exxon's new commercial regarding the Alberta oil sands? It has been running frequently on an American business channel. Check it out and formulate your own opinion. This is how one of the world's most powerful oil companies views our sovereignty. I was taken back at how blatant it was. Imagine if one of our large companies laid claim to a resource held dear by the good Ol USA!

  • Maya Dawg - 13 years ago

    YES !

    Essentially however, this is a case of the excluded middle - all or nothing. In other words, the question is not whether or not we will loose too much sovereignty, but rather, (when) will we loose it all!

    As some of you already know, the Charter guarantees my freedom of mobility - i will be interested in pursuing a Charter Challenge to the extent that there is no rational connection to allow the US anywhere near our sovereignty, let alone trampling all over our Charter. How long before our fundamental freedoms and legal rights fall prey to the US security perimeter. How long before the US Supreme Court rules on the Charter, and even, how long before they themselves initiate a reference case suspending the Charter (notwithstanding) under the cloak of perimeter security.

    Good luck harper, see you in court ... at this point, anyway, this is still Canada, and the Charter still protects us, no matter what YOU might think to the contrary !!!

  • Virginia Stead - 13 years ago

    The QoD reads, "Will Canada lose too much sovereignty if it creates a coordinated security perimeter with the U.S.?" If recent experience at Canada's airports and seaports is anything to go by, we already have a coordinated security perimeter with the U.S.. Armed American patrols on the Great Lakes and in the air over the Washington/BC border suggest that what we need is a more focused approach to sharing our common waters, land, and airspace, including in the arctic. The challenge is for John Baird/Paul Dewer, Peter MacKay/Jack Harris, Ed Fast/Robert Chisolm, Jason Kenney/Don Davies, and Denis Lebel/Olivia Chow to create a workable process that facilitates easy crossing for the peaceful and an impenetrable wall for those who would cause harm.

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