FBF has been brought up to city politicians for 30 years.
Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday afternoons had more racing taking place on Fountain ave and 150th st than Englishtown, easily 200 cars there unless it was raining or snowing
Rather than the city listen to the people everytime a accident or death resulted the city always went with the new law, but for 30 years FBF has been petitioned by the people to use that area for drag racing , seems people and there family member and kids lives are expendable rather than doing something easier and positive.
Same thing sean walter is doing not listening to the people, exactly like the city, when you don't learn from mistakes that are proven mistakes thru history what does that make a person. . .
Marty, nice post but just one correction on the Brooklyn site. The area you are refering to is Floyd Bennet Field. I have been working on that site for the past three years. Senator Marty Golden, a retired NYC police officer is on our side. The site which was an airport was given to the National Park Service a couple of years ago when NYC had financial problems. The area is now called Gateway National Park. It is still a work in progress as it relates to a drag strip.
Also, history shows that this isn't a new issue and other leaders have chosen the wrong choice and by making that wrong choice are partly responsible for the deaths of people.
NYC, ignores the right thing to do and use a parcel of property in Brooklyn, instead there brilliant idea is to make new laws, that led to increased deaths.
Easy solution use that dead laying in non use property in Brooklyn and make money for the city.
The harder choice, make new laws, another special pd squad, and now they increased deaths
We have the same problem, and our leaders show the same inspiring intellect, or the same lack of any intelligent use of there minds. . .
They say a mind is a terrible thing to waste, a mind that can't think to do the right thing to try and stop causing the loss of life is criminal.
A real good leader possess certain unique abilities to hear all sides and understand all sides and then make judgement on them.
Much like your Dad and Mom do in YOUR house.
When leading a community you need to be a good, fair but listening Dad or Mom to your kids, unlike a true family component when Dad or Mom screw up or just play the dictator role and take the easy way out it upsets 1 to 4 kids.
When a elected official takes the dictator role it usually ends up in the loss of life, that as far as im concerned is entirely their fault WHEN they play the pig headed dictator and uneducated role of thinking that HE/SHE knows better....
So, when you have 1 person making some pretty WILD and OUTLANDISH statements, and others just running their bigoted racist like views and you LISTEN and RULE with them, it makes YOU sean walter look just as bigoted and racist to ALL of US in the motorsports community and we are by far not the smallest community on this island. . .
So a smart person when meeting a person with irrational views in their house on what should be, because that 1 person see's it that way, while thousands of others are begging you to do the right thing, and at the same time SAVE kids lives from being in a unsafe condition a smart, fair, good and guided person in that position would DO the TEST so NOW they have factual proof that no such negative conditions exist.
Also, it would be good for the family that actually does race, now they can race and after they are right down the road a few miles and visit their family members at CNC.
Unfortunately that person doesn't see the good in all of that, and sean walter doesn't have the insight or leadership abilities to be a real leader and do a much needed test to KNOW the FACTS and TRUTH. . .
That means WE have a unfit leader, because if one can make decisions on such a issue like this , just imagine what other decisions that person is making for YOU and YOUR well being. . . .
.
Simple test, a few cars, and your ears at different locations you want to see or not hear any issues from, and you know what bring all the supposed experts so WE can hear their excuses for all their lies over the years of this big bad people eating monster they call noise. . . .
I've been a drag racer and hot rodder for over 40 years, its how I make my living.
Do we need a drag strip on Long Island? for the sake of getting more kids off the streets and to educate, and grow their interest in high performance cars through legal drag racing.Yes!
To promote this interest, and create a good working relationship with the local police so that each can better understand the others needs? again, Yes. For the town to have a positive income with no financial burden, no labor burden, no environment burden, why not yes. I know Mr. Pete Scalzo, he's an upstanding race track promoter, with tracks in two states. But I'm not writing this on his behalf because he wants to put a race track at Calverton. He's not even saying that there can be one on that property. What he is saying, is that first there needs to be a sound test. His interest is to not be a burden on the local community.He wants to perform a sound test at a time that is convent to the board. A test to be performed at Mr. Scalzo's expense. All other issues are off the table. Members of the Riverhead town board;Lets have the man do his sound test!
Take a look at my website to see what I am proposing at Calverton on a one season trial basis. Click on Good Morning America and The Travel Channel video's.
To all neighbors surrounding that area and to all those who might have a concern about a negative noise impact on the National Cemetary, I can only say that I have continually gone in front of Sean Walter for approval to do a sound test. My intent here is simple....if we were given the approval to do a sound test then we would know once and for all if the noise would be an issue. I have even proposed to the Town that I would pay a rental fee! Unfortunately, Walter has repeatedly refused to allow that to happen.
P.S. I will be submitting a guest opinion column to Times Review and hope it will be published in next weeks edition.
Peter Scalz0
954-224-4311
Art Bichsel - 13 years ago
@ Mike Natoli. The people of Riverhead were pretty clear about not wanting an airport there. If you look at the operating rules of the Calverton Executive Airpark ( http://www.riverheadli.com/030607.Epcalrulesregs.ph.pdf) you will see that there is not a lot of traffic welcome period. Not that I disagree with you, just figured I would point it out.
@Dan Houses in the area? To the south of Grumman Blvd. there are two between Wading River Manor rd and River road in that two square mile area. The rest is trees. Edwards ave is at least two miles east of where we are talking about. Again, that area is wooded, natural buffer. The reason you hear Riverhead raceway is simple. All of the land around it has been developed. What little natural buffer is left is not enough. The last thirty years of development have seen to that. And for traffic, I doubt any will come past your place. River road becomes Grumman blvd just past Connecticut ave. Which is two blocks north of the expressway exit 71. For folks coming from the west, exits 68 and 69 take care of that. The traffic for wine tasting, leaf peeping, and pumpkin picking on rte. 25 is another story. I cannot help you there.
@ Nick Filippides . You are spot on. Thank you for your comments.
Dan you have this belief after doing a study on Grumman and finding out that more than 8500 people worked there, and they weren't late from sitting in traffic...
If that can happen with any traffic issues, so can a motorsports facility that might have a large event once a year...
Dan id rather go to a motorsports facility then a pumpkin farm, and i'll bet you $500 the traffic is a non issue and a pumpkin farm is the killer for 25 still. . . .
Dan on a low ceiling you can barely, barely hear Riverhead raceway, Hey Dan you don't hear the racing at Epcal now do you, how about the top gear show, how about grumman?
Dan you wouldn't hear a drag track or road course, drag track will be sound abated and even if it wasn't you wouldn't hear it, and road cars are all using technical exhaust systems, nothing like open exhaust cars or modifieds at Riverhead that you wouldn't dare want to invite me over to hear just how silly you are making that level of noise out to be, since i have been on edwards ave many a times when the mods are running, the trains horn is what i can barely hear
Dan - 13 years ago
A racetrack in the Riverhead area would become out of control with traffic problems on top of the traffic mess Riverhead already has due to the roads can't handle it all. Then there's the loud noise from all the race cars too close to all the homes in the area. I live in Calverton off Edwards Ave. and I can hear the race cars at the Riverhead raceway in my back yard like it was only 5 blocks away! That is not practical in this area. Take it away from the residential area. Nothing against the sport of race car tracks. All I ask is let's be fair to all.
Mike, they owned the prop for 12 years now, billions and billions if they put the motorsports component in when 1st proposed to them by many HIGH level builders.
not sure of all the grumman work that directly went with the town
the unemployment rate is growing as of the past few years, should be another year for job loss, that could be avoided. . . . lack of leadership is the issue there
The town has grown almost double
Mike Natoli - 13 years ago
I have a four part question. Does anyone know how many years, has the town of Riverhead been in possession of this property, how much revenue have they lost since Grumman and the Navy left, what is the unemployment rate since this property has been unoccupied, and finally has the town of Riverhead population of tax paying residents grown or declined????
Mike Natoli - 13 years ago
Economy & Jobs is the answer. People making MONEY An air cargo HUB will create 24 7 JOBS construction, utilities, maintenance, services, schools, Professional training, Hotels, restaurants, housing, transportation industry, warehouses, and leisure entertainment industry, for all those people making money and living in Riverhead. There is plenty of property to expand their NASCAR racing heritage and a 1/8 mile drag strip just for kicks. Just my 2cents Town of Brookhaven has the right idea watch out or they will miss this opportunity or maybe they already have.
Nick Filippides - 13 years ago
There are 100's of businesses employing thousands of hard working people in Indiannapolis simply because the Speedway is in the vacinity. Look up Gasoline Alley, this is where the majority of these business are located. I personally employ 21 welders, fabricators, shipping and office personel for my business, American Racing Headers. I am in Suffolk County.
The economic impact a top tier racing facility would bring to Long Island is much further reaching than most can imagine. The decrease in illegal street racing activity, which I believe will manifest with a racing facility, is a very small but extremely important bi-product. I've built my business to where it is today in 6 short years and through the worse economy since the great depression. Automotive enthusiasts spend money. Why not have them invest their money with businesses old and new on Long Island.
Mr. Scalzo, this is an uphill battle that requires relentless dedication. I take my hat off to you. I believe your hard work will prevail in the end.
I am happy to see that the poll favors a racetrack at EPCAL. I am sorry to say that the recent actions from Supervisor Shawn Walter shows that he might not agree. I am refering to his refusal to allow me to do a sound test to see if a 1/8 mile dragstrip would have a negative impact on the National Cemetary.
Rob - 13 years ago
I wonder how many people realize that each vote for more open space is also a vote for higher taxes and less jobs...
greg pasquale - 13 years ago
What you need to build is a new Jail and courthouse system out there....then take the old jail and county center and convert them to a low income housing center to house welfare. and the jail should not contain gyms and game rooms and for gods sake no cable tv...cells and cells and more cells....then use them to keep the entire area clean with working parties... As for the low income housing center turn the present cells into a place for them to sleep and the chow hall for them to receive meals...and you will see that if they are put on a schedual and live there they will soon find work and get a better place to live at there exspense not ours..why should someone be allowed to live food and rent free on tax dollars...in the words of Mr Obama TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW.
Art Bichsel - 13 years ago
Mary,
Do you realize just how much of the property at EPCAL we are talking about here? Of the property (just about 6000 acres) more than half is already protected. Of the 2900 acres for "development" the entertainment chunk which is what I believe we are discussing here is less than 800 acres. Just down the road from EPCAL is Broohaven State Park, a 1638 undeveloped gem that the State has no money to do much with. A short ride from there is The Rocky Point Preserve, a 5100 acre swath complete with marked hiking trails. What I am getting at here is there already established what you seek. Riverhead Town needs tax revenue. A nice, well constructed, motorsport facility would generate that needed revenue from an area that is currently sitting doing nothing. Tax negative. With perhaps some clear thinking and smart planning, that could be a win for everyone.
Mary a sewer system can be included with any motorsports facility to be built there...
However the sewers should have been built 1st and then the houses, though that doesn't mean life should end because it's not there yet.
Kids losing there life on the street in accidents and innocent people also, which can be avoided is more important than misunderstanding that a sewer system can be installed at the location. . .
Epcal isn't open space, it was a large facility operating for years, there is enough open space you just need to really realize how much is there. . . This is re-using a old facility
Newsday reported a few weeks ago that Suffolk is in great demand of sewers and to build anything at Calverton would be a strain on our environment. Already, we are seeing red tides due to run off and old septic systems seeping into the ground. It has always been my opinion that sewers should have been built first and then our suburban sprawls and proposed projects like the one in Calverton. I say leave it as green space for the animals we have encroached upon.
FBF has been brought up to city politicians for 30 years.
Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday afternoons had more racing taking place on Fountain ave and 150th st than Englishtown, easily 200 cars there unless it was raining or snowing
Rather than the city listen to the people everytime a accident or death resulted the city always went with the new law, but for 30 years FBF has been petitioned by the people to use that area for drag racing , seems people and there family member and kids lives are expendable rather than doing something easier and positive.
Same thing sean walter is doing not listening to the people, exactly like the city, when you don't learn from mistakes that are proven mistakes thru history what does that make a person. . .
Marty, nice post but just one correction on the Brooklyn site. The area you are refering to is Floyd Bennet Field. I have been working on that site for the past three years. Senator Marty Golden, a retired NYC police officer is on our side. The site which was an airport was given to the National Park Service a couple of years ago when NYC had financial problems. The area is now called Gateway National Park. It is still a work in progress as it relates to a drag strip.
Also, history shows that this isn't a new issue and other leaders have chosen the wrong choice and by making that wrong choice are partly responsible for the deaths of people.
NYC, ignores the right thing to do and use a parcel of property in Brooklyn, instead there brilliant idea is to make new laws, that led to increased deaths.
Easy solution use that dead laying in non use property in Brooklyn and make money for the city.
The harder choice, make new laws, another special pd squad, and now they increased deaths
We have the same problem, and our leaders show the same inspiring intellect, or the same lack of any intelligent use of there minds. . .
They say a mind is a terrible thing to waste, a mind that can't think to do the right thing to try and stop causing the loss of life is criminal.
.
A real good leader possess certain unique abilities to hear all sides and understand all sides and then make judgement on them.
Much like your Dad and Mom do in YOUR house.
When leading a community you need to be a good, fair but listening Dad or Mom to your kids, unlike a true family component when Dad or Mom screw up or just play the dictator role and take the easy way out it upsets 1 to 4 kids.
When a elected official takes the dictator role it usually ends up in the loss of life, that as far as im concerned is entirely their fault WHEN they play the pig headed dictator and uneducated role of thinking that HE/SHE knows better....
So, when you have 1 person making some pretty WILD and OUTLANDISH statements, and others just running their bigoted racist like views and you LISTEN and RULE with them, it makes YOU sean walter look just as bigoted and racist to ALL of US in the motorsports community and we are by far not the smallest community on this island. . .
So a smart person when meeting a person with irrational views in their house on what should be, because that 1 person see's it that way, while thousands of others are begging you to do the right thing, and at the same time SAVE kids lives from being in a unsafe condition a smart, fair, good and guided person in that position would DO the TEST so NOW they have factual proof that no such negative conditions exist.
Also, it would be good for the family that actually does race, now they can race and after they are right down the road a few miles and visit their family members at CNC.
Unfortunately that person doesn't see the good in all of that, and sean walter doesn't have the insight or leadership abilities to be a real leader and do a much needed test to KNOW the FACTS and TRUTH. . .
That means WE have a unfit leader, because if one can make decisions on such a issue like this , just imagine what other decisions that person is making for YOU and YOUR well being. . . .
.
Simple test, a few cars, and your ears at different locations you want to see or not hear any issues from, and you know what bring all the supposed experts so WE can hear their excuses for all their lies over the years of this big bad people eating monster they call noise. . . .
.
I've been a drag racer and hot rodder for over 40 years, its how I make my living.
Do we need a drag strip on Long Island? for the sake of getting more kids off the streets and to educate, and grow their interest in high performance cars through legal drag racing.Yes!
To promote this interest, and create a good working relationship with the local police so that each can better understand the others needs? again, Yes. For the town to have a positive income with no financial burden, no labor burden, no environment burden, why not yes. I know Mr. Pete Scalzo, he's an upstanding race track promoter, with tracks in two states. But I'm not writing this on his behalf because he wants to put a race track at Calverton. He's not even saying that there can be one on that property. What he is saying, is that first there needs to be a sound test. His interest is to not be a burden on the local community.He wants to perform a sound test at a time that is convent to the board. A test to be performed at Mr. Scalzo's expense. All other issues are off the table. Members of the Riverhead town board;Lets have the man do his sound test!
Take a look at my website to see what I am proposing at Calverton on a one season trial basis. Click on Good Morning America and The Travel Channel video's.
To all neighbors surrounding that area and to all those who might have a concern about a negative noise impact on the National Cemetary, I can only say that I have continually gone in front of Sean Walter for approval to do a sound test. My intent here is simple....if we were given the approval to do a sound test then we would know once and for all if the noise would be an issue. I have even proposed to the Town that I would pay a rental fee! Unfortunately, Walter has repeatedly refused to allow that to happen.
P.S. I will be submitting a guest opinion column to Times Review and hope it will be published in next weeks edition.
Peter Scalz0
954-224-4311
@ Mike Natoli. The people of Riverhead were pretty clear about not wanting an airport there. If you look at the operating rules of the Calverton Executive Airpark ( http://www.riverheadli.com/030607.Epcalrulesregs.ph.pdf) you will see that there is not a lot of traffic welcome period. Not that I disagree with you, just figured I would point it out.
@Dan Houses in the area? To the south of Grumman Blvd. there are two between Wading River Manor rd and River road in that two square mile area. The rest is trees. Edwards ave is at least two miles east of where we are talking about. Again, that area is wooded, natural buffer. The reason you hear Riverhead raceway is simple. All of the land around it has been developed. What little natural buffer is left is not enough. The last thirty years of development have seen to that. And for traffic, I doubt any will come past your place. River road becomes Grumman blvd just past Connecticut ave. Which is two blocks north of the expressway exit 71. For folks coming from the west, exits 68 and 69 take care of that. The traffic for wine tasting, leaf peeping, and pumpkin picking on rte. 25 is another story. I cannot help you there.
@ Nick Filippides . You are spot on. Thank you for your comments.
Dan you have this belief after doing a study on Grumman and finding out that more than 8500 people worked there, and they weren't late from sitting in traffic...
If that can happen with any traffic issues, so can a motorsports facility that might have a large event once a year...
Dan id rather go to a motorsports facility then a pumpkin farm, and i'll bet you $500 the traffic is a non issue and a pumpkin farm is the killer for 25 still. . . .
Dan on a low ceiling you can barely, barely hear Riverhead raceway, Hey Dan you don't hear the racing at Epcal now do you, how about the top gear show, how about grumman?
Dan you wouldn't hear a drag track or road course, drag track will be sound abated and even if it wasn't you wouldn't hear it, and road cars are all using technical exhaust systems, nothing like open exhaust cars or modifieds at Riverhead that you wouldn't dare want to invite me over to hear just how silly you are making that level of noise out to be, since i have been on edwards ave many a times when the mods are running, the trains horn is what i can barely hear
A racetrack in the Riverhead area would become out of control with traffic problems on top of the traffic mess Riverhead already has due to the roads can't handle it all. Then there's the loud noise from all the race cars too close to all the homes in the area. I live in Calverton off Edwards Ave. and I can hear the race cars at the Riverhead raceway in my back yard like it was only 5 blocks away! That is not practical in this area. Take it away from the residential area. Nothing against the sport of race car tracks. All I ask is let's be fair to all.
Mike, they owned the prop for 12 years now, billions and billions if they put the motorsports component in when 1st proposed to them by many HIGH level builders.
not sure of all the grumman work that directly went with the town
the unemployment rate is growing as of the past few years, should be another year for job loss, that could be avoided. . . . lack of leadership is the issue there
The town has grown almost double
I have a four part question. Does anyone know how many years, has the town of Riverhead been in possession of this property, how much revenue have they lost since Grumman and the Navy left, what is the unemployment rate since this property has been unoccupied, and finally has the town of Riverhead population of tax paying residents grown or declined????
Economy & Jobs is the answer. People making MONEY An air cargo HUB will create 24 7 JOBS construction, utilities, maintenance, services, schools, Professional training, Hotels, restaurants, housing, transportation industry, warehouses, and leisure entertainment industry, for all those people making money and living in Riverhead. There is plenty of property to expand their NASCAR racing heritage and a 1/8 mile drag strip just for kicks. Just my 2cents Town of Brookhaven has the right idea watch out or they will miss this opportunity or maybe they already have.
There are 100's of businesses employing thousands of hard working people in Indiannapolis simply because the Speedway is in the vacinity. Look up Gasoline Alley, this is where the majority of these business are located. I personally employ 21 welders, fabricators, shipping and office personel for my business, American Racing Headers. I am in Suffolk County.
The economic impact a top tier racing facility would bring to Long Island is much further reaching than most can imagine. The decrease in illegal street racing activity, which I believe will manifest with a racing facility, is a very small but extremely important bi-product. I've built my business to where it is today in 6 short years and through the worse economy since the great depression. Automotive enthusiasts spend money. Why not have them invest their money with businesses old and new on Long Island.
Mr. Scalzo, this is an uphill battle that requires relentless dedication. I take my hat off to you. I believe your hard work will prevail in the end.
I am happy to see that the poll favors a racetrack at EPCAL. I am sorry to say that the recent actions from Supervisor Shawn Walter shows that he might not agree. I am refering to his refusal to allow me to do a sound test to see if a 1/8 mile dragstrip would have a negative impact on the National Cemetary.
I wonder how many people realize that each vote for more open space is also a vote for higher taxes and less jobs...
What you need to build is a new Jail and courthouse system out there....then take the old jail and county center and convert them to a low income housing center to house welfare. and the jail should not contain gyms and game rooms and for gods sake no cable tv...cells and cells and more cells....then use them to keep the entire area clean with working parties... As for the low income housing center turn the present cells into a place for them to sleep and the chow hall for them to receive meals...and you will see that if they are put on a schedual and live there they will soon find work and get a better place to live at there exspense not ours..why should someone be allowed to live food and rent free on tax dollars...in the words of Mr Obama TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW.
Mary,
Do you realize just how much of the property at EPCAL we are talking about here? Of the property (just about 6000 acres) more than half is already protected. Of the 2900 acres for "development" the entertainment chunk which is what I believe we are discussing here is less than 800 acres. Just down the road from EPCAL is Broohaven State Park, a 1638 undeveloped gem that the State has no money to do much with. A short ride from there is The Rocky Point Preserve, a 5100 acre swath complete with marked hiking trails. What I am getting at here is there already established what you seek. Riverhead Town needs tax revenue. A nice, well constructed, motorsport facility would generate that needed revenue from an area that is currently sitting doing nothing. Tax negative. With perhaps some clear thinking and smart planning, that could be a win for everyone.
Mary a sewer system can be included with any motorsports facility to be built there...
However the sewers should have been built 1st and then the houses, though that doesn't mean life should end because it's not there yet.
Kids losing there life on the street in accidents and innocent people also, which can be avoided is more important than misunderstanding that a sewer system can be installed at the location. . .
Epcal isn't open space, it was a large facility operating for years, there is enough open space you just need to really realize how much is there. . . This is re-using a old facility
Newsday reported a few weeks ago that Suffolk is in great demand of sewers and to build anything at Calverton would be a strain on our environment. Already, we are seeing red tides due to run off and old septic systems seeping into the ground. It has always been my opinion that sewers should have been built first and then our suburban sprawls and proposed projects like the one in Calverton. I say leave it as green space for the animals we have encroached upon.