I like to see Dave happy in a relationship with someone else, but no i don't think he date kurt not after what he did to him in the past episodes, I'm glad they made up and prefer to be friends but that's all and kurt is just helping him after what happened with dave while he was in hospital. KLAINE4EVER
Magda - 12 years ago
Blaine and Kurt are the sweetest couple in the world
god - 12 years ago
I don't see why Kurt & David shouldn't date. Yes, their past is anything but perfect, but so is love.
tina - 12 years ago
it is going to happen; deal with it!
evan - 12 years ago
no they should never be together. they should have a friendship but they shouldnt date. lets just remember what karofsky did to kurt . he bullied him. HE forced kissed kurt. and took his first kiss. but not his "FIRST KISS"he shoved him into lockers. he slushied him. i thought the gorrila gram was from blaine at first too. but when i found out who it really was. i was depressed. i do not hate karofsky i just dont like kurtofsky. he and blaine deserve to be together forever. They love each other and care for each other. Remember all those moments when blaine helped kurt through his hard times. if they ever broke up im pretty sure a lot of people would be mad.
omg just thinking about karofsky and kurt makes me gag. i think karofsky should be with Sebastian or his future husband.KLAINERS GON' KLAINE .
barack obama - 12 years ago
lbr, perfect couple.
tina - 12 years ago
they would make an awesome and interesting couple.
especially because of the acting chemistry max and chris have.
but ofc, david needs time to heal, to recover. a romance is the last thing he needs right now.
but in the future, hell yes!
nicki444444444444444444 - 12 years ago
I just feel really bad for Karofsky, especially in this past episode. I hope that Kurt helps him to get through this but I do not think that they would make a good couple.
Sam - 12 years ago
Kurtofsky is literally the most disturbing thing to ever exsist second only to incest. Not even kidding. Forgiving someone for abusing while they were going through a tough time is difficult but possible. Understanding what they are going through and offering help totally possible. Falling in love with someone who abused you, in every way(verbal, emotional, mental, physical) is almost literally impossible; and so wrong. Besides, Klaine might not be perfect but they make each other happy and have always been there for the other since they met. So why someone would think 'Oh yeah Kurt should dump the man he loves, who loves and understands him, just so he can enter a fucked up pity realtionship with his ex-tormentor' is in any way a good idea is beyond me. In fact you might want to see a professional for some help. I can recommend some very good people they will give you all the medication you clearly need.
Oh! I also want to add, to those that say the relationship would be good for Dave a wrong too because honestly what do they have in common other than being gay? Dave just admires that Kurt accepts himself and doesnt care what others think. It would not be fair to either of them to enter a relationship that would clearly only hurt both parties.
Fuck you, wetpaint - 12 years ago
Kurtofsky shouldn't happen not cuz kurt loves blaine, it's cuz karofsky is a sick bastard
Not a Klaine shipper - 12 years ago
I (obviously) don't ship Klaine. But I still voted that "Kurt is in love with Blaine", even though I don't believe it. Because the only other option is Kurtofsky, and people need to learn that sexual assault =/= love.
kurt fan - 12 years ago
Just because kurt forgave dave DOESNT mean he forgot, and he even states all the things karofsky has done to him when they were talking. Do you really think kurt's going to forget? by them being in a relationship, will kurt forget what karofsky has done to him? Eithr way kurt made it clear he doesnt have romantic feelings for karofsky. Friendship is fine. i think kurt can help karofsky but a romantic relationship isnt something glee should even consider, its a bad message. Another thing, he was mad kurt was out and proud and he wasnt, so he bullied him and threatned to kill him? thats so stupid. I want karofsky to be happy but kurt isnt the person he should be with
Arx - 12 years ago
sigh you can forgive someone but dating them? after all the times they have throw you to lockers and give you a death threat? yeah no. Also Karofsky isn't what Kurt wants in the episode was obvious he isn't ready for a relationship. He ran away AGAIN when that guy from his high school saw him with Kurt oh so they are gonna date and everytime someone who knows them sees them he is gonna act like he doesn't know Kurt and treat him like a dirty secret? No. Kurt deserves someone that is proud of who he is which is Blaine.
Lorena - 12 years ago
I'm a Klaine fan who wants Dave to find happiness and be in a healthy relationship. But I do not want that with Kurt. I know Kurt has forgiven Dave, so have I. I understand the reasons for why he did and I sympathize with him for it, but that does not mean I can forget. I was bullied in High school and harassed daily, I could never ever imagine being with someone who did those things to me.
If Kurtofsky happens, which it might there has to be three things that need to happen. In my opinion anyway.
Karofsky needs to be out. As a fan of Kurt I would not like to see Kurt in a closeted relationship. He is and out proud of who he is. Dave himself said he's not ready to come out.
Second Kurt and Dave need to be friends. They have never been friends before. Even after Prom Queen where Kurt forgave him they still did not become friends and then in S3 we find out he transferred. Kurt saying he likes Dave as just friends just didn't feel plausible to me because when were they ever friends. But if Kurt wants to identify himself as his friend then that's fine with me. I'll support it. But I want it explored and shown. Not just him saying they're friends and then in 3 episodes Kurt returns those feelings. Not plausible.
And finally and what I think is the most important thing is that Dave needs time to experience what being out means, feels like. He needs to get to know himself. Thinking that just being with Kurt is going to solve everything or make him happy is a little naive. Just because Kurt helped him understand how he felt. That is not a healthy reason to begin a relationship.
I wand Dave to be happy, I really do but he's not a main character on the show and his presence on it furthers no one's storyline but his own. I hope they finish his storyline this season and that Max can go and do amazing things outside this crappy show.
chachachan - 12 years ago
Klaine is boring, Kurtofsky would be great, because I think it could be interesting and that´s what´s most important for me (in a tv show at least). Dave is also not a bad person anymore, so I don´t see why people think a relationship between him and Kurt would be unhealthy.
(Besides, it´s not impossible to fall in love with your bully, I know that, but I guess I´m just better at forgiving than some others)
Jess - 12 years ago
I'm sorry, but in what world is it acceptable to date your bully, who gave you death threats??
Excuse me if people can't see that Kurt and Blaine are very much in love, and Kurtofsky would never happen in this situation. Never mind the fact that Dave was practically stalking him with valentines and the gorilla gram, when he has a boyfriend. I do however, like that Dave is finally starting to be honest with himself and his sexuality, he's gonna go through some rough times with it, but at the end of the day, he'll eventually find the right person, like Kurt found Blaine.
Arx - 12 years ago
"Klaine is not realistic" yes because is more realistic to date your bully. Right.
my little pirate - 12 years ago
please, PLEASE, make kurtofsky happen!
There are enough of Klaine in the show, give Davie chance! It will be MORE interesting than ordinary romantic Klaine story :/
Lucy - 12 years ago
Maybe Kurt could introduce David to Sebastian? Actually, as they both hang out at Scandals, maybe they've already met ;)
I do think that Karofsky need a real love history and everything, to show
people that guys like him can be educated like Kurt said, but do that with
Kurt would be a needless way to put some drama into Klaine relantionship.
In other hand do love to see them (Klaine) as a real real couple with a messy fight
and make up and everything but, Karofsky is way out of line.
Kurt and Blaine are a couple, they love each other and Kurt would never
exchange the amazing boyfriend, with all the things that he ever dreamed about
it by the guy who bullied him and threatened to kill him... sorry is not
coherent.
kproflostsouls - 12 years ago
I would be for a kurtofsky romance or at least the start of one but I want to see more friendship for Dave and Kurt. Myabe Klaine could have an amicable break-up and then all 3 of them could be friends and then near the end of season 3 we see hints of kurtofsky and maybe seblaine (yes seblaine is my new guilty pleasure) I think that would be the most realistic way to introduce it.Fro what I understand there's a rumor of dave getting hurt next week and kurt might go to his house to see him. I think there's good chance for friendship at least.
Shana - 12 years ago
Kurtofsky would be a great couple. Dave and Kurt would complete each other. Klaine is just not realistic enough. And I feel that Kurt isn't entirely himself with Blaine. Blaine has yet to see what a bitch Kurt can be. Dave already knows that part of Kurt very well, and he doesn't care about it. I am a Kurtsy, and I love Kurt to bits, but no one can deny that he can't be a real vicious bitch sometimes. Blaine only briefly had to deal with that when Kurt was trying to get him to transfer to McKinley and when Blaine was saying he would try to get the role of Tony in WSS.
Other than that, every scene between Dave and Kurt - short as they are - is amazing. Max and Chris have a lot of chemistry together. Darren and Chris don't in my opinion.
I voted yes, but frankly I think there should be a third option like "they should be friends" or something because a lot of people like Blaine, Kurt and David but they ship Klaine so they'd think that it's true, they have a powerful story but Kurt loves Blaine. Anyways, I'll keep voting yes and hopefully people will stop fighting over stuff like this.
Kirsty - 12 years ago
This whole argument of "Klainers hate Karofsky because he was a bully" is a load of bull. I love Kurt and Blaine, yes. But i DO NOT hate Karofsky. In fact, i'd love to see more of him in the show, and i think a friendship between Kurt and Dave is very do-able. Having said this, i don't see them as a couple. Even if Dave had been nice to Kurt from the beginning... i just don't see it. Sorry.
What Dave needs right now is some support - Somebody he can turn to, and talk to. But that doesn't mean he needs a boyfriend/lover. I personally think that will just complicated matters more for him. He's a confused young man, and he needs to sort his head out before getting into anything like that.
yosh - 12 years ago
to the commenter awkward dude,
I never said anything about them having to get together. all i commented on was the fact that klainers cant seem to accept that Dave is sorry for what he did. they still hold his past actions against him event though he has apologized and kurt forgave him. its pathetic. i personally wouldn't mind kurtofskyendgame, i wouldn't mind them just ending up as friends i wouldnt mind if they never spoke to each other again after they both graduate, all I am saying is I just think its hilarious that klainers cant let things go.
Fluffhoof - 12 years ago
I'd say that Kurtofsky dating would definitely be interesting. While I would absolutely love if they would be the most perfect couple, loving each other beyond the grave and the other cavity inducing stuff, I know they won't (wouldn't) be perfect. That's okay. They would have problems, arguments and other things. They could work through them. Dave is not the most mature person out there. But he is just a teenager. They're not supposed to be. They're supposed to be bumbling around, doing stupid stuff, trying what works and what doesn't. I'd like if Kurt helped and supported David in his coming out. Maybe so much that he would come out by the end of this year, giving us some closure (because I'm not sure if Dave would/should appear on this show after graduation, it is a show with a show choire-ing as the underlying theme).
So, should Dave and Kurt date? Yes, give it a shot. Should they be perfect? Hell to the no.
Punzy - 12 years ago
Klainers are against the idea of Kurtofsky because Karofsky was a bully among other things.
If that's true, then . . .
STOP BULLYING OTHER SHIPPERS!!!
You're being freakin' hypocrites and attacking people who are minding their own business. Over a TV SHOW!
Kendra - 12 years ago
As a complete gleek I have had moments of love and total dislike for both Kurtofsky and Klaine while watching this show. But, in the end, as someone who loves the characters above everything else on Glee, I ship Kurtofsky.
It is important not to forget all of the things that David did, but at the same time remember that when he bullied Kurt his actions did not reflect who he truly was inside and that those actions were in fact meant to be a smokescreen he could hide his true self behind. It's also important to remember that Kurt has forgiven him and that he has not slipped into his old ways once since he started making an effort to reform himself.
Kurt and Blaine are adorable and should be friends for the rest of their lives, but that's it, friends. When Rachel said that Kurt would marry Blaine in one second if he proposed, I didn't believe for one second that he would, because Kurt and Blaine don't have that level of passion. But, I think that Kurt and David could be capable of it.
Starting from the prom episode, every time I see David and Kurt onscreen together I feel like it's hinting at the possibility of more, because they have that natural spark that makes it so believable. With their relationship I can see so many more opportunities for character growth and for the development of a truly lasting and realistic relationship.
awkward dude - 12 years ago
To the commenter yoshi who says that he / she is sorry for any Klainer children... Look, redemption doesn't mean Kurt should jump straight into Karofsky's arms. How would you like it if your bully come wooing you even after saying sorry? It's awkward. The emotional scars will be there. And everything that had been said and done will not disappear with apologies and flowers and love letters. After tearing down Kurt's dignity like that Kurt still forgives him. I don't understand why people still want Kurt and Karofsky as more than friends. Kurt can still help Dave by being friends with him.
And for those who say opposite attracts? No. Opposite makes you fight. Opposite makes you feel suffocated because you cannot satisfy each other's needs and I don't mean sexually. True, it makes everything interesting but it won't last. Long term relationship needs similarity.
I'm not a fan of Blaine but he is a better option. He's not a saint and he makes mistakes just like everyone else. And from what I saw in the first time episode he was ashamed of what he did. Kurt is clearly devoted to him, so I guess that means Kurt is happy with him.
Amanda - 12 years ago
I for one, who has been bullied by many people and has been in a few situations like Kurt... I think that the idea of Kurtofsky isn't a bad idea. I love Dave, I know he has made a few mistakes and that's because he is afraid of who he is. But I'm also the one who forgives a lot of people because I believe that they deserve a second chance and that's what Dave is trying to do, to get a second chance. Sure, maybe not a relationship right away, but I believe sometime in the future, maybe not this season, but if he's in the next one maybe something could happen between them there. I have seen a lot of development for this character just like all of the Dave lovers/Kurtofsky shippers. But unlike some Klainers who are against bullying they do an awful lot of that to the Pirates so I don't know who to feel more sorry for, Dave or them. He's a great character and together both Max and Chris have amazing chemistry. Yes, like I have said Dave made a lot of mistakes. Kurt is looking past that and actually saying he likes him as a FRIEND, why can't others forgive Dave as well? I just don't understand a lot of these people. And the ones who keeps bringing up he sexually assaulted Kurt... come on. If Kurt even thought that's what he did he would have went to someone after he either went to Dalton or when Dave got expelled for that short amount of time. Yeah, he might have been afraid of Dave for a while, but look he got over that and even thinks of Dave as a friend. So let go of the past and look at the future. Alright so looking past what he did to Kurt you still might not think they are a good pair, and guess what you don't have to. But I'm sure Kurt and Blaine aren't going to last forever, they are either going to break up on their own or someone will come between them. Might night be Dave or Sebastian, but there's always someone who could. So stop hating on Dave for some of you, he isn't a bad guy he's just scared to reveal who he really is.
Anna - 12 years ago
I have to admit previous to "Heart" I didn't want anything between Kurt and Karofsky, but that scene was so amazing that I really hope they can become friends and have more scenes together, Max's and specially Chris' acting (as always) is awesome. But still I don't want a romantic relationship. This is a personal reason. I simply cannot get past the death threat which was curiously left out of the list of things Karofsky did to Kurt, no matter if you argue it was because of fear and not real, also the locker shoving and name calling. I'm unable to want to see romantic love between them after that.
Alex - 12 years ago
We as Klainers don't want Kurtofsky because of what happened /BEFORE/ Blaine came, not just the fact that Blaine's in the picture, but because the fact that David had no right to bully Kurt, and honestly, I think it was kind of wrong of him to do something like that.
Honestly, another reason I don't like David - While I understand how hard it is to tell someone you may be homosexual, me personally going through that as well - I can't find why he hadn't just stood up to be a real man and ask Kurt how he could be so out and proud.
Kira - 12 years ago
KLAINERS GONNA KLAINE!
There ain't no way that David can have Kurt. Just - No.
Klaine forever!
yoshi - 12 years ago
I feel sorry for any child born to a Klainer in the future. i hope that they never disappoint you or bully any kids in grade/high school cause apparently they will never be forgive even if they are sorry about what they did.
As someone who had some experiences in middle school that I'd prefer not to go into at this time, I support Kurtofsky.
David's apologized, and Kurt understands what he's going through. But I don't want Kurt to break up with Blaine just to date David. That would serve neither of them well.
But... Kurt can't handle one year a hundred miles from his boyfriend? What is next year going to be like when he's a few hundred miles away?
Kurtofsky isn't perfect, but neither is life. Kurtofsky has so many levels of potential stories, that I want to see more of it. You might think the gorilla stuff was creepy, but he found him in the cafeteria, where he was surrounded by people. He met him in Breadstix when there were other people around. Normally he found Kurt when Kurt was alone. Finding him whilst there are people around him help give him a potential protection.
Mira - 12 years ago
Speaking as someone who has been in a very similar situation, no. Just no. It's not okay. Going out with someone who used to terrorize you (in a disturbingly sexual manner, hello Furt episode cake-topper scene) is a horrifying idea. I don't I could ever even bring myself to be FRIENDS with my Karofsky, or even aqquaintances. The fact that he followed him around the school in a gorilla suit when Kurt didn't know who he was and that he somehow got into his locker to leave cards there furthers the creepy factor.
kurties - 12 years ago
Im also tired of peoplet thinking we dont want kurtofsky to be together because of klaine. Blaine is the LAST reason, and maybe not even a reason, why kurtofsky shouldnt be together. If blaibne was never in the picture or broke up, my opinion on kurtofasky wouldnt change in the slightest. Blaine isnt the reason why we dont want kurtofsky, its a deeper meaning that happened in season1 a nd half of season 2, when blaine wasnt around,the bullying. If you didnt know some klainers care about kurt a lot and want him to be with someone that has treated him great, because i personally think kurt deserves someone who loves him and never hurt him.
kurties - 12 years ago
Im for kurt and karofsky being friends. I want karofsky to be happy with someone, just not being with kurt. I am a huge kurt fan, seeing him bullied for 2years was bad. They dont belong together, and for what karosfky done, therre can be a forgivness but its never going to be forgoten. And it is triggering, many people have been bullied just the way kurt has, and if they got together it would send out a horrible messgae, its like they forgot what karofsky has done to kurt. I dont want kurt to be with a man that hurt him physically, emotinally and threatned to kill him. He was dealing with his sexuality, doesnt mean he has to really hurt people along the way.
Lna - 12 years ago
I'm talking by my own experiene... but i think that klaine has become the new twilight fandom.
boob - 12 years ago
glee is about opening yourself to the stupidest group of people you will ever meet
examples provided below
Shannon - 12 years ago
To everyone claiming Blaine tried to force Kurt to have sex in The First Time:
No, he didn't. You are either being deliberately obtuse or blatantly misrepresenting the details of that car scene. Or both. Probably both.
Blaine pulled Kurt on top of him and tried to kiss him. Kurt said "no, no, stop it, stop it." Four seconds after the first "no," Blaine STOPPED trying to kiss him and simply spoke to him about why he thought they should have sex. Kurt willingly sat on top of Blaine and listened to what he was saying before he got upset and got off of Blaine and out of the car.
Blaine DID NOT try to grope Kurt or remove anyone's clothes. He DID NOT try to kiss Kurt again. When Kurt started to get out of the car, Blaine offered NO resistance. There was no struggle at all; he did not try to keep Kurt in the car. In fact, his hands immediately fall to his lap as soon as Kurt's voice raises and he starts to move off of him.
As for Blaine being upset. He was NOT upset because Kurt refused to have sex. Initially, Kurt refused to have sex, and Blaine was simply CONFUSED as to why Kurt was angry ("Why are you yelling at me?"). He became upset only when Kurt said "I've never felt less like being intimate with someone." He was upset because that hurt his feelings, that his boyfriend whom he loves said that to him. THAT is when he got up and stormed away.
If you're going to argue this issue, you best get your facts straight.
With regards to Karofsky, we have his history of behavior towards Kurt in seasons 1 and 2: verbal harassment, physical assault, sexual assault, sexual harassment, stalking, death threat.
And as of Heart, we can add: more stalking, breaking into his locker, and emotional manipulation (he knew that Kurt thought his admirer was Blaine the whole time and lured him into a date under false pretenses).
The fact is, Karofsky needs professional help. He does not need a boyfriend, and even if he did, it should never be Kurt. His actions in Heart alone were inappropriate and disturbing, and his reaction to Kurt's rejection suggests that he is nowhere near ready for a relationship and has serious entitlement issues. Kurt is not a toy or a prize. Karofsky does not "get" him for being a "good boy" (though I'm not sure why we're saying he's a good guy simply because he's managing to not assault people anymore).
Let's look at the only thing that should matter here: Kurt's feelings. Because at the end of the day, debates about who has done more to deserve/not deserve Kurt are gross, offensive, and suggest the debaters are immature and inexperienced with relationships. Healthy, loving relationships are not based on what people do to "deserve" each other, but based on being happy, communicative, honest, respectful, and caring (please see: Kurt and Blaine's relationship). Kurt will be with whomever he WANTS to be with, based on his feelings, not on who has "deserved" him. No one is entitled to Kurt.
Kurt is not attracted to Karofsky ("You're not my type!" in addition to calling him sweaty and balding and overweight).
Kurt says he likes Karofsky as a friend only.
Kurt is in love with Blaine. He thinks Blaine is dreamy, adorable, cute, and wants to rip his clothes off and get dirty with him. Blaine takes Kurt's breath away.
Kurt admires and looks up to Blaine.
Kurt is proud to be with Blaine.
Kurt believes that what he has with Blaine is true love.
(these are all canonical references, btw)
This shouldn't even be a question. Kurt is with Blaine and Blaine is with Kurt because they love each other and make each other feel happy and loved and safe. They have met other gay boys (Karofsky and Sebastian), and they cannot offer them these things because of their privileged, entitled attitudes and selfishness. Kurt and Blaine choose each other, and that's why they should be together. And the Kurt I know and love would never ever be with Karofsky, unless the writers completely c
lol no - 12 years ago
lol kurt was so scared
THAT'S WHY HIM AND DAVE SAT DOWN AT BREADSTIX TO TALK they were probably going to eat too they both had drinks
are you kidding me really with these crappy arguments
if kurt was scared i will eat my hat
Tee - 12 years ago
@lol really Who are you to determine who is triggered by what? (Just like I can't say to someone well I wasn't triggered by the Klaine car scene, so therefore everyone else in the world can't be triggered by car scene - just to throw out an argument I see a lot in this fandom). I can see how someone would be triggered by that scenario (particularly the fact he was following Kurt around in a gorilla costume all week). There are other things in the scene that could be seen as triggering. I could comment on, but I won't.
And I wouldn't call Kurt completely past the bullying. He may have forgiven, but the scene definitely reminded you that he hasn't forgotten.
Ella - 12 years ago
Gorillas are triggering to me. I had a terrible experience once in the monkey enclosure at my local zoo.
This is why I don't like Karofsky. True story.
Tee - 12 years ago
First of all way to skew the wording on the options there.
Second, personally I couldn't fathom a Kurt/Karofsky romantic relationship at any point on this show. After everything that's happened it just doesn't seem like a viable option to me. If you go back and watch the reveal of Karofsky under the gorilla mask Kurt's reaction is one of fear. He thought he was meeting his boyfriend, not his former bully and it read on his face.
Krista - 12 years ago
Not bots hun, we're just passionate :)
lol really - 12 years ago
how are you “triggered” by a teenage boy confessing his love to someone on valentine’s day. what about that “triggers” you at all. there was no bullying, both people are past that, so what in the fuck are you talking about
you do realize most people who watch glee watch it objectively
aka they don't give a fuck
give me an new argument i am bored
Kev - 12 years ago
NO, Kurt and Karofsky should not date, you insane creeps. Let Kurt and Blaine break up but Karofsky is a selfish, douchey asshole who takes his problems out on other people and doesn't give a shit about anyone's feelings but his own. Kurt forgiving him, fine, but who on earth would ever want to date someone that treated them that terribly?
ella - 12 years ago
@Emilia
I can post as many times as I like, dear. :)
Brooke - 12 years ago
No, Kurt and Karofsky should not date because while he may be trying to find redemption for himself, to Kurt, Karofsky will always be the guy that bullied him for two years, threatened his life, hate kissed him, physically assaulted him daily, and made him transfer schools. Plus Karofsky doesn't even know Kurt, they've never actually had a conversation. Kurt was right, Karofsky is just projecting feelings because Kurt is the only one that knows about him. And really, if they did try to get them together, it would just be a huge trigger for a good part of their audience and the shows ratings would drop even lower.
brad - 12 years ago
every time I vote for Klaine, it goes down by several points. Something weird is going on and it's not the idea that kurtofsky is suddenly popular. Either your sites screwy or the karofsky fans are using bots.
Emilia - 12 years ago
The entire comment section is 'Ella' and various Klaine shippers complaining under different names. Get a life. This is an internet poll about a TV show. Do you really think any of these comments change anything? The fact that you're all arguing like these comments matter is so pathetic...
beth - 12 years ago
the mere idea of kurtofsky is completely disgusting and offensive, not to mention triggering as hell.
comparing the guy who assaulted kurt, made him fear for his life, and drove him away from his school to the guy who kurt is actually, obviously in love with is ludicrous. nobody on this show has treated kurt worse than karofsky, and nobody, with the exception of maybe burt, has treated him better than blaine does. kurtofsky makes no logical sense.
even if you want to handwave all of the horrible stuff karofsky did in season 2, and if creepily following a taken dude around sending him valentines isn't bad enough - karofsky hasn't shown any interest in kurt's feelings at all. it's all about what kurt's done for HIM, how kurt's made HIM feel.
i might be able to vaguely excuse it if they acknowledged how creepy karofsky is, because that is his most prominent character trait. but no, they're much too interested in making him "sympathetic". PLEASE. plus, i just don't see how glee can send a positive message by pairing kurt with karofsky. this is not the message they set out to send in never been kissed.
DS - 12 years ago
Well, for me this polling itself is a bit offensive because this whole this has become Klaine Versus Karofsky, while it shouldn't.
IMHO, Kurt-Karofsky development could have been handled in a more delicate way. At first, even as what they call 'Klainers' myself, I have nothing against Karofsky or any possible romantic Kurt-Karofsky development. But after that Breadstick scene I can't help but to feel a bit creepy and sad at the same time.
I understand Karofsky situation and why he do what he do. I feel his insecurity. Yes, that scene is powerful somehow because both Max and Chris show gave us a great acting. Yes, they have chemistry together. Does the chemistry stronger than Klaine? There is no right answer for this because one can only argue based on their ship bias.
For me, I just can't see Kurt-Karofsky on any romantic relationship for now. Not because I 'ship' Klaine, but because right now IMHO under this circumstances, putting Kurt-Karofsky in a romantic relationship is only going to send the wrong message. What Karofsky needs right now is a friend, a sincere friend or any other support system who help him accept who he is and actually help him feeling comfortable with who he is. For me he's no ready for a romantic relationship now.
And if in the future, Karofsky has change into a better man, then maybe I can accept the possibility of romantic relationship between him and Kurt. But, for now I just can't see it and actually feel terrified with it.
Sorry for the long comment, I just feel that this poll has been bring this to the wrong direction.
um. nothing against dave but.... klaine is absolute perfection.
kurt is absolutely stunning and blaine is too fucking dreamy beyond words. and they're just so beautiful together.
i love their chemistry and everything about them. i love how seeing the little moments they share together... they're so perfect. like, even if it's just a glance.. it's absolutely gorgeous and not to mention perfectly portrayed and tasteful.
such a sincere and attractive couple.
i'm a total klainer. i could never not be...
klaine >
Yvonne - 12 years ago
Why is Puckurt never in the polls? Let's have some equal representation people.
Victoria - 12 years ago
If we're basing how good a ship is off of the fanfiction and gifs, klaine wins hands down. It also wins in every other aspect so I don't understand why kurtofsky even exists really.
OFFENSIVE COMMENTING FTW
kiya - 12 years ago
okay, I don't know why my comment posted so many times, but it seems appropriate to my feelings.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
kiya - 12 years ago
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
ceejsradx3 - 12 years ago
lol klaine. Max is flawless and Dave is a "on the right track" hunk.
ella - 12 years ago
I really like Kurt and Blaine.
But I think anything at all would be better than Kurtofsky. like Anything. Even Kurt/Will Schuester.
me - 12 years ago
Frankly, anything is better than Klaine. That's where I stand.
Hannah - 12 years ago
Karofsky isn't in love with Kurt, he loves the idea of Kurt. He knows literally nothing about him except that he's out and proud and is in Glee Club.
Matt Rutherford - 12 years ago
I just wish that somebody loved me...
ella - 12 years ago
I don't really care that bullying Kurt resulted in Dave's "improvement". D:
Heather - 12 years ago
But just because someone apologizes doesn't mean that they and the person they are apologizing to need to get together. That's not how it works.
What do Kurt and Karofsky have in common?
Karofsky plays sports, prefers to remain at the top of the social ladder, and cares very much about what people think.
Kurt likes musical theatre, doesn't care about the social ladder, and doesn't care in the slightest what people think of him.
I think that basing your ship off of the idea of forgiveness and redemption is ridiculous, honestly, because forgiving someone doesn't lead to romance. It just doesn't.
Yes, forgiveness is important. It is hugely important, but there has to be more than just that. There have to be common interests and attraction, trust and caring. I don't think that Kurt and Karofsky will ever have that.
Also, sexual assault is any unwanted contact done in an intimate way. Kissing is intimate, and Karofsky kissed Kurt, who most definitely did not want it.
And Blaine has done plenty for Kurt. I'm sorry that people don't see taking a tainted slushy to the eye and needing surgery as something important. If Blaine hadn't taken that slushy for Kurt, it might have been Kurt who needed eye surgery.
Elena - 12 years ago
@Rachel if we are talking about the gorilla costume it would be creepy with anybody in it, really ahah!
We are talking about the actions that came with the gorilla. Dave skipped school and literally followed Kurt around for days. If the messages were from Blaine (and FROM Blaine, not Blaine following Kurt around) it would not be creepy (except for the costume) because guess what? He's Kurt's boyfriend and it would be totally normal for him to send him gift or love cards. And I'm not saying that Kurt can't be loved by anyone but his boyfriend and can't have an admirer, it's just that knowing they are from a guy who bullyed him last year, and yes, apologized, yes, meet him in a gay bar and seemed ok with himself and everything, and then shows up to a dinner date, out of nowhere, when Kurt thought it was a date with his boyfriend and trying to win his feelings? No.
I dont' even know how someone can think this is a good idea, I don't dislike Dave and I can feel his confusion, but I feel really bad for him for having such an unpleseant development. Let's see what the next episode will be like.
And I continue to think that the poll options are limited, I can just see the Blaine haters (that hates him for omg!solos stealing reasons and maybe cares little about Kurt) pooling here to vote for Kurtofsky when this has little to do with Blaine.
(always sorry for my english)
S - 12 years ago
Something did happen . I know Kurt was quick to forgive him but I also think he has a tendency to overlook Blaine's dark side (in which I include drinking) . Which I guess is what you do when you're IN love .
But Kurt HAS dealt with the worse of Dave, and yes, it was positively traumatic, but you know what the result was ? Dave's improvement .
And no, I don't think their relationship would be just based on Kurt helping him . We saw in this episode a glimpse of what Dave is willing to do for Kurt . The romance, the time, the dedication . It wasn't creepy. It was very very sweet and he didn't even know if it would work (though he certainly hoped) .
That is what I want for both of them and that is my last contribution to this discussion .
ella - 12 years ago
okay, my last comment makes them seem like Twilight. :/
ella - 12 years ago
I think their "chemistry" is exaggerated. What, is telling someone you want to kill them, and them baiting and switching and saying you're in love with them chemistry, or just pure madness?
Karofsky comes off as erratically one dimensional, and recently, really selfish and immature. Like, what is he a child? He seems to have regressed and become the ultimate wet blanket.
Mae - 12 years ago
You want to know why I ship Kurt with Dave?
Because I believe that everybody deserves a second chance. If they didn't get one, nobody would get anywhere in life. Because we all make mistakes.
Because Max and Chris have fantastic chemistry. There's a reason that the scene at Scandals was the most talked-about scene on Glee last fall, and it wasn't because of anything Blaine did. Every moment that Max and Chris spend together on screen has a tangible chemistry to it. They're dynamite together and it would be a fantastic waste of acting prowess to write off Dave.
Because I believe in redemption. What better message is there to send on Glee, a show that teaches about self-acceptance, than that you can make amends for the past and people will accept you? Or, because you made a mistake, you're done forever. Really, which would you rather have? Because to me, making a mistake is human. Being able to forgive people for their mistakes is much harder than making mistakes in the first place. That's why forgiveness is such a powerful message.
Because Dave actually cares. Dave has been trying to make up for his actions for almost an entire season now. Do you realize how long a season is in TV? Dave's been trying to make up for his mistakes for almost half of the entire run that Glee has had. He's not doing it because he wants a pat on the head, a "good job." It's because he actually cares what happens to Kurt and because he feels terrible. Blaine is a perfectly adequate boyfriend but I haven't seen him do something that genuine for Kurt in a long time (and throwing yourself in front of a slushie that would have just bleached Kurt's clothes had it hit its intended target doesn't count).
Because the argument that Pirates "don't know what they're shipping" is completely untrue. Do you think that Kurtofsky shippers walk through life through a field of roses where nothing bad ever happens to them? We have as many people who have "had a Karofsky" in their lives as the Klainers. We understand. We still ship it. I've been bullied, physically, verbally, what hae you, for my entire life. I know what it's like. I am fortunate enough to have never been sexually assaulted. And you know, so has Kurt. Neither Blaine nor Dave has ever sexually assaulted him and I find it borderline offensive that so many people insist on throwing those words around.
Why do the Pirates ship Kurtofsky?
Because we believe in forgiveness, redemption, the power Glee has to tell this story, Kurt, acceptance but above all because we believe in Dave.
ella - 12 years ago
Go away, Sebastian. Don't you have a rocksalt-tainted slushy you need to throw in the face of another innocent bystander?
yoshi - 12 years ago
Sebastian i love you x3
Sebastian - 12 years ago
Excuse me while I interrupt your petty squabbling. Why isn't there a poll for me? My desires are far more important than 'Blaine or Karofsky', and honestly, focusing on me would be a much hotter story line.
Just saying.
A. - 12 years ago
I have never in my life read such ignorant comments. I can't even believe I'm a fan of the same show as some of you. Kurt deserves someone who loves and adores him so he should be with DAVE KAROFSKY? Seriously? What about Karofsky tells you he loves and adores Kurt? He doesn't even know Kurt. I mean, I'm sure he knows exactly how hard he has to shove Kurt in order to make him hit a locker, but aside from that. It's a sick, sad obsession that he has with Kurt, nothing more. He's not in love with him, Kurt was 100% right. Why should Kurt's relationship be all about him helping the poor jock accept himself. Kurt's relationship should be about being with someone he loves who loves him back, someone who knows him and understands him, someone who would change schools for him and put themselves in harms way for him. Kurt deserves to have someone who is not only his boyfriend but one of his best friends. Karofsky is one of the most self-centered characters I've ever seen. I can get being his fan, because all characters have fans, but why is it necessary for him to be with Kurt? After what he did? He can be with someone else, seriously.
ella - 12 years ago
Sure drunkeness can be used as an excuse, but nothing actually happened.
Heather - 12 years ago
Negative Actions Performed by Blaine toward Kurt: Tried to have sex with his boyfriend while drunk.
Negative Actions Performed by Karofsky toward Kurt: Multiple accounts of slushying, multiple accounts of assault, multiple uses of a slur, sexual assault, and a death threat.
Now I shall commence a speech.
Blaine Anderson loves Kurt Hummel. This is undeniable. Blaine has gotten Kurt through several traumatic parts of his life, including a bullying spree lead by one David Karofsky.
David Karofsky, who bullied Kurt for years before finally coming to terms with his sexuality, has just revealed that he thinks that he loves Kurt. What kind of relationship could they have, were David's attempts at seducing Kurt successful? The memories of bullying would always be there, in the back of Kurt's mind. He will never escape from the pain that Karofsky caused him.
Blaine looks at Kurt with such love and adoration in his eyes that there is no doubt in my mind that he will always love Kurt.
Now, I'm going to leave you with a question. If you were Kurt, or in Kurt's situation, and you had been bullied all your life for something that was out of your control, and then your bully, who has pushed, shoved, slushied, and thrown you into dumpsters, grabs your face and kisses you, what do you do? Do you forgive him because he kissed you? Do you find that romantic? What if shortly after, he threatens your life? *He* kissed *you*, and now he's threatening your life, causing you harm for something out of your control.
I don't ship Kurtofsky because I am genuinely offended by the idea. I know people who have had people like Karofsky happen to them, and trust me, they are not ready to skip off into the sunset with that person.
I don't know what it's like to have a Karofsky, but I do know what it's like to be sexually harassed and pursued by the individuals who harassed me. It doesn't make you feel loved. It doesn't make you happy. It hurts and it feels humiliating.
So, ship it if you like, I honestly could not care what pairing you support on a tv show, but please keep in mind exactly what you are shipping, and think twice before harassing someone for not supporting that relationship.
Krystal - 12 years ago
I'm actually offended that the "no" option is because he's in love with Blaine. There are 10000 other reasons why Kurt and Dave shouldn't be together and Blaine is on the bottom of that list.
S - 12 years ago
being drunk has also been the excuse of many murderers .
so what ?
Tyna - 12 years ago
*Sigh*
I like Dave. I have wanted Kurt and Dave to be friends for a long time. I think it would be good for Dave to continue having that type of relationship with Kurt, because he needs someone to talk to. As far as a romantic relationship, I thought that the gorilla thing was sweet, and Dave looked so hopeful it damn near broke my heart. However, Kurt turned him down, and he did so in a very classy way, I think. He also made it clear that he is not interested in Dave in a romantic sense because, right now, he is happy with Blaine. That's canon. That was on the show. It really happened. On Glee. The TV show.
Kaylee - 12 years ago
Some people look way to deep into this. It's a television show. Kurt and Blaine are a cute couple. They love each other. Karofsky bullied Kurt, Kurt forgave him. It was so random for Karofsky to just show up and confess his love for Kurt. Thats it. It's not like we're in the heads of these characters. The fact of the matter is that Karofsky bullied Kurt so badly that he had to leave his own school. It's good that Kurt forgave him and it would be really cool if Kurt could help him come out. They're friends now so that would be a really cool, realistic storyline. But if they were to just throw in a relationship just to satisfy one fanbase, it would be so unrealistic and random and we would have to realize that RIB dont really know what they're doing. Some of you guys are being way to harsh and rude. They're fictional characters ON A TELEVISION SHOW. Chill out.
ella - 12 years ago
You could use "deep psychological issues" to excuse serial murder. So no.
S - 12 years ago
ALSO
I don't know if we're watching the same show, but the klaine car scene was just PAINFUL to watch . With Kurt saying 'Stop' and trying to get away when he couldn't . I never felt so scared for Kurt in the whole duration of the show . Plus he was drunk . You seem to use his state as an excuse for his behaviour, which I understand to some extent .
But compared to Dave's state of self loathing, conflicted feelings and possible depression I think a few drinks is a pretty lame excuse . Plus it was one kiss that he didn't insist on AFTER BEING PUSHED and all the subsequent bullying was out of fear of being outed and more self hate .
THEY WERE BOTH WRONG .
But between a drunk night and a lousy apology, and deep psychological issues with a heartfelt apology - I prefer the latter by very, very far .
ella - 12 years ago
@Riley You know who else doesn't speak for Kurt? You.
Kurt says he likes Karofsky fine enough, but only as friends. He's not attracted to him romantically, and he still remembers the hate-kissing and the shoving, and he obviously thinks Dave is deluding himself "You only think that you're in love with me. You're not actually in love with me".
Riley - 12 years ago
I am sick of these 'Well I would never date someone who did that to me..."
Well guess what,
YOU'RE NOT KURT.
Kurt is not torn up about what Dave did. He's not some delicate flower who sits around crying about the trauma he suffered. He's forgiven him. When he said he couldn't be with Dave he never once said it was because of the past. He just said it was because of Blaine.
I don't care If YOU would never be with Dave because of his past. Kurt has never said that and his word is the only one that counts when it comes to his love life.
shannon - 12 years ago
@kurt fan you're awesome. HUZZAH FOR YOU.
ella - 12 years ago
I never thought the gorillagram was romantic (or even that it was blaine in there- maybe that it was hired)- BUT LOL. it's was legit karofsky walking around in that suit in a school that he doesn't even go to. It was MADE creepy simply because of that fact. Also that he thought Kurt would drop everything and be with him simply because of one conversation, a bunch of cards and sweets that he thought were from Blaine, and a gorilla outfit.
Joeanne - 12 years ago
The straws you Kurtofsky shippers will grasp at to demonize Blaine. He has never forced himself on Kurt and if all that matters is that "Kurt forgave Dave" then take a leaf out of your own book and stop with this "Blaine tried to force Kurt" bullshit, because those words have never come out of Kurt's mouth and "You tormented and hate kissed me" certainly have. I have a problem with that. I don't think you date someone who has done that sort of thing to you. I wouldn't and I'd be concerned for any friend or realtive that did. Ergo I think it sends a bad message so I wouldn't watch the show if it happend. That's just me, just my vote, so let me have it.
shannon - 12 years ago
how dare you compare the blaine and kurt drunken bar thing to karofsky forcibly kissing kurt. don't you fucking dare. you guys obviously know nothing about love because kurt and blaine are in love and blaine would NEVER do anything to hurt kurt, or vice versa. karofsky and kurt will NEVER be together, and if they ever are i will have lost faith in humanity and logic.
Rachel - 12 years ago
Wow, let's be a little more hypocritical guys.
So, from what I've seen, people have been saying "Oh, if that's Blaine in the gorilla suit it'll be so cute."
And then it ends up being Dave and people say it's creepy.
Yeah, okay. Good logic there, guys.
Comparing the thing that happened in the car to the thing in the locker room is just dumb because everyone has a different opinion on what sexual assault/harassment is, so that's just really stupid to fight about.
No means no. They were both wrong but guess what.
Kurt doesn't give a fuck anymore. Don't know if you caught on. He's not wallowed up in his room sobbing over Dave or Blaine, he's actually going to school, hanging out with friends, singing.
Know why? Cause he got over it at his own speed. Stop making shit up that you THINK he's feeling when the writers have had him SAY LINES that prove that HE'S OKAY.
I know you guys are super into this whole "klaine" thing but I'm begging you to take a walk outside or get a hobby because the majority of you either don't have a fucking CLUE what you're talking about or are ignoring half of the CANON moments cause you don't want your precious Blarren to leave the show.
Anna - 12 years ago
Blaine didn't try to force Kurt to have sex. He made a move on his boyfriend and got shot down. Yes he continued to try to talk Kurt into it after Kurt said no, but he never tried to rape him.
I like to see Dave happy in a relationship with someone else, but no i don't think he date kurt not after what he did to him in the past episodes, I'm glad they made up and prefer to be friends but that's all and kurt is just helping him after what happened with dave while he was in hospital. KLAINE4EVER
Blaine and Kurt are the sweetest couple in the world
I don't see why Kurt & David shouldn't date. Yes, their past is anything but perfect, but so is love.
it is going to happen; deal with it!
no they should never be together. they should have a friendship but they shouldnt date. lets just remember what karofsky did to kurt . he bullied him. HE forced kissed kurt. and took his first kiss. but not his "FIRST KISS"he shoved him into lockers. he slushied him. i thought the gorrila gram was from blaine at first too. but when i found out who it really was. i was depressed. i do not hate karofsky i just dont like kurtofsky. he and blaine deserve to be together forever. They love each other and care for each other. Remember all those moments when blaine helped kurt through his hard times. if they ever broke up im pretty sure a lot of people would be mad.
omg just thinking about karofsky and kurt makes me gag. i think karofsky should be with Sebastian or his future husband.KLAINERS GON' KLAINE .
lbr, perfect couple.
they would make an awesome and interesting couple.
especially because of the acting chemistry max and chris have.
but ofc, david needs time to heal, to recover. a romance is the last thing he needs right now.
but in the future, hell yes!
I just feel really bad for Karofsky, especially in this past episode. I hope that Kurt helps him to get through this but I do not think that they would make a good couple.
Kurtofsky is literally the most disturbing thing to ever exsist second only to incest. Not even kidding. Forgiving someone for abusing while they were going through a tough time is difficult but possible. Understanding what they are going through and offering help totally possible. Falling in love with someone who abused you, in every way(verbal, emotional, mental, physical) is almost literally impossible; and so wrong. Besides, Klaine might not be perfect but they make each other happy and have always been there for the other since they met. So why someone would think 'Oh yeah Kurt should dump the man he loves, who loves and understands him, just so he can enter a fucked up pity realtionship with his ex-tormentor' is in any way a good idea is beyond me. In fact you might want to see a professional for some help. I can recommend some very good people they will give you all the medication you clearly need.
Oh! I also want to add, to those that say the relationship would be good for Dave a wrong too because honestly what do they have in common other than being gay? Dave just admires that Kurt accepts himself and doesnt care what others think. It would not be fair to either of them to enter a relationship that would clearly only hurt both parties.
Kurtofsky shouldn't happen not cuz kurt loves blaine, it's cuz karofsky is a sick bastard
I (obviously) don't ship Klaine. But I still voted that "Kurt is in love with Blaine", even though I don't believe it. Because the only other option is Kurtofsky, and people need to learn that sexual assault =/= love.
Just because kurt forgave dave DOESNT mean he forgot, and he even states all the things karofsky has done to him when they were talking. Do you really think kurt's going to forget? by them being in a relationship, will kurt forget what karofsky has done to him? Eithr way kurt made it clear he doesnt have romantic feelings for karofsky. Friendship is fine. i think kurt can help karofsky but a romantic relationship isnt something glee should even consider, its a bad message. Another thing, he was mad kurt was out and proud and he wasnt, so he bullied him and threatned to kill him? thats so stupid. I want karofsky to be happy but kurt isnt the person he should be with
sigh you can forgive someone but dating them? after all the times they have throw you to lockers and give you a death threat? yeah no. Also Karofsky isn't what Kurt wants in the episode was obvious he isn't ready for a relationship. He ran away AGAIN when that guy from his high school saw him with Kurt oh so they are gonna date and everytime someone who knows them sees them he is gonna act like he doesn't know Kurt and treat him like a dirty secret? No. Kurt deserves someone that is proud of who he is which is Blaine.
I'm a Klaine fan who wants Dave to find happiness and be in a healthy relationship. But I do not want that with Kurt. I know Kurt has forgiven Dave, so have I. I understand the reasons for why he did and I sympathize with him for it, but that does not mean I can forget. I was bullied in High school and harassed daily, I could never ever imagine being with someone who did those things to me.
If Kurtofsky happens, which it might there has to be three things that need to happen. In my opinion anyway.
Karofsky needs to be out. As a fan of Kurt I would not like to see Kurt in a closeted relationship. He is and out proud of who he is. Dave himself said he's not ready to come out.
Second Kurt and Dave need to be friends. They have never been friends before. Even after Prom Queen where Kurt forgave him they still did not become friends and then in S3 we find out he transferred. Kurt saying he likes Dave as just friends just didn't feel plausible to me because when were they ever friends. But if Kurt wants to identify himself as his friend then that's fine with me. I'll support it. But I want it explored and shown. Not just him saying they're friends and then in 3 episodes Kurt returns those feelings. Not plausible.
And finally and what I think is the most important thing is that Dave needs time to experience what being out means, feels like. He needs to get to know himself. Thinking that just being with Kurt is going to solve everything or make him happy is a little naive. Just because Kurt helped him understand how he felt. That is not a healthy reason to begin a relationship.
I wand Dave to be happy, I really do but he's not a main character on the show and his presence on it furthers no one's storyline but his own. I hope they finish his storyline this season and that Max can go and do amazing things outside this crappy show.
Klaine is boring, Kurtofsky would be great, because I think it could be interesting and that´s what´s most important for me (in a tv show at least). Dave is also not a bad person anymore, so I don´t see why people think a relationship between him and Kurt would be unhealthy.
(Besides, it´s not impossible to fall in love with your bully, I know that, but I guess I´m just better at forgiving than some others)
I'm sorry, but in what world is it acceptable to date your bully, who gave you death threats??
Excuse me if people can't see that Kurt and Blaine are very much in love, and Kurtofsky would never happen in this situation. Never mind the fact that Dave was practically stalking him with valentines and the gorilla gram, when he has a boyfriend. I do however, like that Dave is finally starting to be honest with himself and his sexuality, he's gonna go through some rough times with it, but at the end of the day, he'll eventually find the right person, like Kurt found Blaine.
"Klaine is not realistic" yes because is more realistic to date your bully. Right.
please, PLEASE, make kurtofsky happen!
There are enough of Klaine in the show, give Davie chance! It will be MORE interesting than ordinary romantic Klaine story :/
Maybe Kurt could introduce David to Sebastian? Actually, as they both hang out at Scandals, maybe they've already met ;)
I do think that Karofsky need a real love history and everything, to show
people that guys like him can be educated like Kurt said, but do that with
Kurt would be a needless way to put some drama into Klaine relantionship.
In other hand do love to see them (Klaine) as a real real couple with a messy fight
and make up and everything but, Karofsky is way out of line.
Kurt and Blaine are a couple, they love each other and Kurt would never
exchange the amazing boyfriend, with all the things that he ever dreamed about
it by the guy who bullied him and threatened to kill him... sorry is not
coherent.
I would be for a kurtofsky romance or at least the start of one but I want to see more friendship for Dave and Kurt. Myabe Klaine could have an amicable break-up and then all 3 of them could be friends and then near the end of season 3 we see hints of kurtofsky and maybe seblaine (yes seblaine is my new guilty pleasure) I think that would be the most realistic way to introduce it.Fro what I understand there's a rumor of dave getting hurt next week and kurt might go to his house to see him. I think there's good chance for friendship at least.
Kurtofsky would be a great couple. Dave and Kurt would complete each other. Klaine is just not realistic enough. And I feel that Kurt isn't entirely himself with Blaine. Blaine has yet to see what a bitch Kurt can be. Dave already knows that part of Kurt very well, and he doesn't care about it. I am a Kurtsy, and I love Kurt to bits, but no one can deny that he can't be a real vicious bitch sometimes. Blaine only briefly had to deal with that when Kurt was trying to get him to transfer to McKinley and when Blaine was saying he would try to get the role of Tony in WSS.
Other than that, every scene between Dave and Kurt - short as they are - is amazing. Max and Chris have a lot of chemistry together. Darren and Chris don't in my opinion.
I voted yes, but frankly I think there should be a third option like "they should be friends" or something because a lot of people like Blaine, Kurt and David but they ship Klaine so they'd think that it's true, they have a powerful story but Kurt loves Blaine. Anyways, I'll keep voting yes and hopefully people will stop fighting over stuff like this.
This whole argument of "Klainers hate Karofsky because he was a bully" is a load of bull. I love Kurt and Blaine, yes. But i DO NOT hate Karofsky. In fact, i'd love to see more of him in the show, and i think a friendship between Kurt and Dave is very do-able. Having said this, i don't see them as a couple. Even if Dave had been nice to Kurt from the beginning... i just don't see it. Sorry.
What Dave needs right now is some support - Somebody he can turn to, and talk to. But that doesn't mean he needs a boyfriend/lover. I personally think that will just complicated matters more for him. He's a confused young man, and he needs to sort his head out before getting into anything like that.
to the commenter awkward dude,
I never said anything about them having to get together. all i commented on was the fact that klainers cant seem to accept that Dave is sorry for what he did. they still hold his past actions against him event though he has apologized and kurt forgave him. its pathetic. i personally wouldn't mind kurtofskyendgame, i wouldn't mind them just ending up as friends i wouldnt mind if they never spoke to each other again after they both graduate, all I am saying is I just think its hilarious that klainers cant let things go.
I'd say that Kurtofsky dating would definitely be interesting. While I would absolutely love if they would be the most perfect couple, loving each other beyond the grave and the other cavity inducing stuff, I know they won't (wouldn't) be perfect. That's okay. They would have problems, arguments and other things. They could work through them. Dave is not the most mature person out there. But he is just a teenager. They're not supposed to be. They're supposed to be bumbling around, doing stupid stuff, trying what works and what doesn't. I'd like if Kurt helped and supported David in his coming out. Maybe so much that he would come out by the end of this year, giving us some closure (because I'm not sure if Dave would/should appear on this show after graduation, it is a show with a show choire-ing as the underlying theme).
So, should Dave and Kurt date? Yes, give it a shot. Should they be perfect? Hell to the no.
Klainers are against the idea of Kurtofsky because Karofsky was a bully among other things.
If that's true, then . . .
STOP BULLYING OTHER SHIPPERS!!!
You're being freakin' hypocrites and attacking people who are minding their own business. Over a TV SHOW!
As a complete gleek I have had moments of love and total dislike for both Kurtofsky and Klaine while watching this show. But, in the end, as someone who loves the characters above everything else on Glee, I ship Kurtofsky.
It is important not to forget all of the things that David did, but at the same time remember that when he bullied Kurt his actions did not reflect who he truly was inside and that those actions were in fact meant to be a smokescreen he could hide his true self behind. It's also important to remember that Kurt has forgiven him and that he has not slipped into his old ways once since he started making an effort to reform himself.
Kurt and Blaine are adorable and should be friends for the rest of their lives, but that's it, friends. When Rachel said that Kurt would marry Blaine in one second if he proposed, I didn't believe for one second that he would, because Kurt and Blaine don't have that level of passion. But, I think that Kurt and David could be capable of it.
Starting from the prom episode, every time I see David and Kurt onscreen together I feel like it's hinting at the possibility of more, because they have that natural spark that makes it so believable. With their relationship I can see so many more opportunities for character growth and for the development of a truly lasting and realistic relationship.
To the commenter yoshi who says that he / she is sorry for any Klainer children... Look, redemption doesn't mean Kurt should jump straight into Karofsky's arms. How would you like it if your bully come wooing you even after saying sorry? It's awkward. The emotional scars will be there. And everything that had been said and done will not disappear with apologies and flowers and love letters. After tearing down Kurt's dignity like that Kurt still forgives him. I don't understand why people still want Kurt and Karofsky as more than friends. Kurt can still help Dave by being friends with him.
And for those who say opposite attracts? No. Opposite makes you fight. Opposite makes you feel suffocated because you cannot satisfy each other's needs and I don't mean sexually. True, it makes everything interesting but it won't last. Long term relationship needs similarity.
I'm not a fan of Blaine but he is a better option. He's not a saint and he makes mistakes just like everyone else. And from what I saw in the first time episode he was ashamed of what he did. Kurt is clearly devoted to him, so I guess that means Kurt is happy with him.
I for one, who has been bullied by many people and has been in a few situations like Kurt... I think that the idea of Kurtofsky isn't a bad idea. I love Dave, I know he has made a few mistakes and that's because he is afraid of who he is. But I'm also the one who forgives a lot of people because I believe that they deserve a second chance and that's what Dave is trying to do, to get a second chance. Sure, maybe not a relationship right away, but I believe sometime in the future, maybe not this season, but if he's in the next one maybe something could happen between them there. I have seen a lot of development for this character just like all of the Dave lovers/Kurtofsky shippers. But unlike some Klainers who are against bullying they do an awful lot of that to the Pirates so I don't know who to feel more sorry for, Dave or them. He's a great character and together both Max and Chris have amazing chemistry. Yes, like I have said Dave made a lot of mistakes. Kurt is looking past that and actually saying he likes him as a FRIEND, why can't others forgive Dave as well? I just don't understand a lot of these people. And the ones who keeps bringing up he sexually assaulted Kurt... come on. If Kurt even thought that's what he did he would have went to someone after he either went to Dalton or when Dave got expelled for that short amount of time. Yeah, he might have been afraid of Dave for a while, but look he got over that and even thinks of Dave as a friend. So let go of the past and look at the future. Alright so looking past what he did to Kurt you still might not think they are a good pair, and guess what you don't have to. But I'm sure Kurt and Blaine aren't going to last forever, they are either going to break up on their own or someone will come between them. Might night be Dave or Sebastian, but there's always someone who could. So stop hating on Dave for some of you, he isn't a bad guy he's just scared to reveal who he really is.
I have to admit previous to "Heart" I didn't want anything between Kurt and Karofsky, but that scene was so amazing that I really hope they can become friends and have more scenes together, Max's and specially Chris' acting (as always) is awesome. But still I don't want a romantic relationship. This is a personal reason. I simply cannot get past the death threat which was curiously left out of the list of things Karofsky did to Kurt, no matter if you argue it was because of fear and not real, also the locker shoving and name calling. I'm unable to want to see romantic love between them after that.
We as Klainers don't want Kurtofsky because of what happened /BEFORE/ Blaine came, not just the fact that Blaine's in the picture, but because the fact that David had no right to bully Kurt, and honestly, I think it was kind of wrong of him to do something like that.
Honestly, another reason I don't like David - While I understand how hard it is to tell someone you may be homosexual, me personally going through that as well - I can't find why he hadn't just stood up to be a real man and ask Kurt how he could be so out and proud.
KLAINERS GONNA KLAINE!
There ain't no way that David can have Kurt. Just - No.
Klaine forever!
I feel sorry for any child born to a Klainer in the future. i hope that they never disappoint you or bully any kids in grade/high school cause apparently they will never be forgive even if they are sorry about what they did.
As someone who had some experiences in middle school that I'd prefer not to go into at this time, I support Kurtofsky.
David's apologized, and Kurt understands what he's going through. But I don't want Kurt to break up with Blaine just to date David. That would serve neither of them well.
But... Kurt can't handle one year a hundred miles from his boyfriend? What is next year going to be like when he's a few hundred miles away?
Kurtofsky isn't perfect, but neither is life. Kurtofsky has so many levels of potential stories, that I want to see more of it. You might think the gorilla stuff was creepy, but he found him in the cafeteria, where he was surrounded by people. He met him in Breadstix when there were other people around. Normally he found Kurt when Kurt was alone. Finding him whilst there are people around him help give him a potential protection.
Speaking as someone who has been in a very similar situation, no. Just no. It's not okay. Going out with someone who used to terrorize you (in a disturbingly sexual manner, hello Furt episode cake-topper scene) is a horrifying idea. I don't I could ever even bring myself to be FRIENDS with my Karofsky, or even aqquaintances. The fact that he followed him around the school in a gorilla suit when Kurt didn't know who he was and that he somehow got into his locker to leave cards there furthers the creepy factor.
Im also tired of peoplet thinking we dont want kurtofsky to be together because of klaine. Blaine is the LAST reason, and maybe not even a reason, why kurtofsky shouldnt be together. If blaibne was never in the picture or broke up, my opinion on kurtofasky wouldnt change in the slightest. Blaine isnt the reason why we dont want kurtofsky, its a deeper meaning that happened in season1 a nd half of season 2, when blaine wasnt around,the bullying. If you didnt know some klainers care about kurt a lot and want him to be with someone that has treated him great, because i personally think kurt deserves someone who loves him and never hurt him.
Im for kurt and karofsky being friends. I want karofsky to be happy with someone, just not being with kurt. I am a huge kurt fan, seeing him bullied for 2years was bad. They dont belong together, and for what karosfky done, therre can be a forgivness but its never going to be forgoten. And it is triggering, many people have been bullied just the way kurt has, and if they got together it would send out a horrible messgae, its like they forgot what karofsky has done to kurt. I dont want kurt to be with a man that hurt him physically, emotinally and threatned to kill him. He was dealing with his sexuality, doesnt mean he has to really hurt people along the way.
I'm talking by my own experiene... but i think that klaine has become the new twilight fandom.
glee is about opening yourself to the stupidest group of people you will ever meet
examples provided below
To everyone claiming Blaine tried to force Kurt to have sex in The First Time:
No, he didn't. You are either being deliberately obtuse or blatantly misrepresenting the details of that car scene. Or both. Probably both.
Blaine pulled Kurt on top of him and tried to kiss him. Kurt said "no, no, stop it, stop it." Four seconds after the first "no," Blaine STOPPED trying to kiss him and simply spoke to him about why he thought they should have sex. Kurt willingly sat on top of Blaine and listened to what he was saying before he got upset and got off of Blaine and out of the car.
Blaine DID NOT try to grope Kurt or remove anyone's clothes. He DID NOT try to kiss Kurt again. When Kurt started to get out of the car, Blaine offered NO resistance. There was no struggle at all; he did not try to keep Kurt in the car. In fact, his hands immediately fall to his lap as soon as Kurt's voice raises and he starts to move off of him.
As for Blaine being upset. He was NOT upset because Kurt refused to have sex. Initially, Kurt refused to have sex, and Blaine was simply CONFUSED as to why Kurt was angry ("Why are you yelling at me?"). He became upset only when Kurt said "I've never felt less like being intimate with someone." He was upset because that hurt his feelings, that his boyfriend whom he loves said that to him. THAT is when he got up and stormed away.
If you're going to argue this issue, you best get your facts straight.
With regards to Karofsky, we have his history of behavior towards Kurt in seasons 1 and 2: verbal harassment, physical assault, sexual assault, sexual harassment, stalking, death threat.
And as of Heart, we can add: more stalking, breaking into his locker, and emotional manipulation (he knew that Kurt thought his admirer was Blaine the whole time and lured him into a date under false pretenses).
The fact is, Karofsky needs professional help. He does not need a boyfriend, and even if he did, it should never be Kurt. His actions in Heart alone were inappropriate and disturbing, and his reaction to Kurt's rejection suggests that he is nowhere near ready for a relationship and has serious entitlement issues. Kurt is not a toy or a prize. Karofsky does not "get" him for being a "good boy" (though I'm not sure why we're saying he's a good guy simply because he's managing to not assault people anymore).
Let's look at the only thing that should matter here: Kurt's feelings. Because at the end of the day, debates about who has done more to deserve/not deserve Kurt are gross, offensive, and suggest the debaters are immature and inexperienced with relationships. Healthy, loving relationships are not based on what people do to "deserve" each other, but based on being happy, communicative, honest, respectful, and caring (please see: Kurt and Blaine's relationship). Kurt will be with whomever he WANTS to be with, based on his feelings, not on who has "deserved" him. No one is entitled to Kurt.
Kurt is not attracted to Karofsky ("You're not my type!" in addition to calling him sweaty and balding and overweight).
Kurt says he likes Karofsky as a friend only.
Kurt is in love with Blaine. He thinks Blaine is dreamy, adorable, cute, and wants to rip his clothes off and get dirty with him. Blaine takes Kurt's breath away.
Kurt admires and looks up to Blaine.
Kurt is proud to be with Blaine.
Kurt believes that what he has with Blaine is true love.
(these are all canonical references, btw)
This shouldn't even be a question. Kurt is with Blaine and Blaine is with Kurt because they love each other and make each other feel happy and loved and safe. They have met other gay boys (Karofsky and Sebastian), and they cannot offer them these things because of their privileged, entitled attitudes and selfishness. Kurt and Blaine choose each other, and that's why they should be together. And the Kurt I know and love would never ever be with Karofsky, unless the writers completely c
lol kurt was so scared
THAT'S WHY HIM AND DAVE SAT DOWN AT BREADSTIX TO TALK they were probably going to eat too they both had drinks
are you kidding me really with these crappy arguments
if kurt was scared i will eat my hat
@lol really Who are you to determine who is triggered by what? (Just like I can't say to someone well I wasn't triggered by the Klaine car scene, so therefore everyone else in the world can't be triggered by car scene - just to throw out an argument I see a lot in this fandom). I can see how someone would be triggered by that scenario (particularly the fact he was following Kurt around in a gorilla costume all week). There are other things in the scene that could be seen as triggering. I could comment on, but I won't.
And I wouldn't call Kurt completely past the bullying. He may have forgiven, but the scene definitely reminded you that he hasn't forgotten.
Gorillas are triggering to me. I had a terrible experience once in the monkey enclosure at my local zoo.
This is why I don't like Karofsky. True story.
First of all way to skew the wording on the options there.
Second, personally I couldn't fathom a Kurt/Karofsky romantic relationship at any point on this show. After everything that's happened it just doesn't seem like a viable option to me. If you go back and watch the reveal of Karofsky under the gorilla mask Kurt's reaction is one of fear. He thought he was meeting his boyfriend, not his former bully and it read on his face.
Not bots hun, we're just passionate :)
how are you “triggered” by a teenage boy confessing his love to someone on valentine’s day. what about that “triggers” you at all. there was no bullying, both people are past that, so what in the fuck are you talking about
you do realize most people who watch glee watch it objectively
aka they don't give a fuck
give me an new argument i am bored
NO, Kurt and Karofsky should not date, you insane creeps. Let Kurt and Blaine break up but Karofsky is a selfish, douchey asshole who takes his problems out on other people and doesn't give a shit about anyone's feelings but his own. Kurt forgiving him, fine, but who on earth would ever want to date someone that treated them that terribly?
@Emilia
I can post as many times as I like, dear. :)
No, Kurt and Karofsky should not date because while he may be trying to find redemption for himself, to Kurt, Karofsky will always be the guy that bullied him for two years, threatened his life, hate kissed him, physically assaulted him daily, and made him transfer schools. Plus Karofsky doesn't even know Kurt, they've never actually had a conversation. Kurt was right, Karofsky is just projecting feelings because Kurt is the only one that knows about him. And really, if they did try to get them together, it would just be a huge trigger for a good part of their audience and the shows ratings would drop even lower.
every time I vote for Klaine, it goes down by several points. Something weird is going on and it's not the idea that kurtofsky is suddenly popular. Either your sites screwy or the karofsky fans are using bots.
The entire comment section is 'Ella' and various Klaine shippers complaining under different names. Get a life. This is an internet poll about a TV show. Do you really think any of these comments change anything? The fact that you're all arguing like these comments matter is so pathetic...
the mere idea of kurtofsky is completely disgusting and offensive, not to mention triggering as hell.
comparing the guy who assaulted kurt, made him fear for his life, and drove him away from his school to the guy who kurt is actually, obviously in love with is ludicrous. nobody on this show has treated kurt worse than karofsky, and nobody, with the exception of maybe burt, has treated him better than blaine does. kurtofsky makes no logical sense.
even if you want to handwave all of the horrible stuff karofsky did in season 2, and if creepily following a taken dude around sending him valentines isn't bad enough - karofsky hasn't shown any interest in kurt's feelings at all. it's all about what kurt's done for HIM, how kurt's made HIM feel.
i might be able to vaguely excuse it if they acknowledged how creepy karofsky is, because that is his most prominent character trait. but no, they're much too interested in making him "sympathetic". PLEASE. plus, i just don't see how glee can send a positive message by pairing kurt with karofsky. this is not the message they set out to send in never been kissed.
Well, for me this polling itself is a bit offensive because this whole this has become Klaine Versus Karofsky, while it shouldn't.
IMHO, Kurt-Karofsky development could have been handled in a more delicate way. At first, even as what they call 'Klainers' myself, I have nothing against Karofsky or any possible romantic Kurt-Karofsky development. But after that Breadstick scene I can't help but to feel a bit creepy and sad at the same time.
I understand Karofsky situation and why he do what he do. I feel his insecurity. Yes, that scene is powerful somehow because both Max and Chris show gave us a great acting. Yes, they have chemistry together. Does the chemistry stronger than Klaine? There is no right answer for this because one can only argue based on their ship bias.
For me, I just can't see Kurt-Karofsky on any romantic relationship for now. Not because I 'ship' Klaine, but because right now IMHO under this circumstances, putting Kurt-Karofsky in a romantic relationship is only going to send the wrong message. What Karofsky needs right now is a friend, a sincere friend or any other support system who help him accept who he is and actually help him feeling comfortable with who he is. For me he's no ready for a romantic relationship now.
And if in the future, Karofsky has change into a better man, then maybe I can accept the possibility of romantic relationship between him and Kurt. But, for now I just can't see it and actually feel terrified with it.
Sorry for the long comment, I just feel that this poll has been bring this to the wrong direction.
@ella
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um. nothing against dave but.... klaine is absolute perfection.
kurt is absolutely stunning and blaine is too fucking dreamy beyond words. and they're just so beautiful together.
i love their chemistry and everything about them. i love how seeing the little moments they share together... they're so perfect. like, even if it's just a glance.. it's absolutely gorgeous and not to mention perfectly portrayed and tasteful.
such a sincere and attractive couple.
i'm a total klainer. i could never not be...
klaine >
Why is Puckurt never in the polls? Let's have some equal representation people.
If we're basing how good a ship is off of the fanfiction and gifs, klaine wins hands down. It also wins in every other aspect so I don't understand why kurtofsky even exists really.
OFFENSIVE COMMENTING FTW
okay, I don't know why my comment posted so many times, but it seems appropriate to my feelings.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
Ew. I'm gagging. What even is this bs? Karofsky? that meathead? lol no.
lol klaine. Max is flawless and Dave is a "on the right track" hunk.
I really like Kurt and Blaine.
But I think anything at all would be better than Kurtofsky. like Anything. Even Kurt/Will Schuester.
Frankly, anything is better than Klaine. That's where I stand.
Karofsky isn't in love with Kurt, he loves the idea of Kurt. He knows literally nothing about him except that he's out and proud and is in Glee Club.
I just wish that somebody loved me...
I don't really care that bullying Kurt resulted in Dave's "improvement". D:
But just because someone apologizes doesn't mean that they and the person they are apologizing to need to get together. That's not how it works.
What do Kurt and Karofsky have in common?
Karofsky plays sports, prefers to remain at the top of the social ladder, and cares very much about what people think.
Kurt likes musical theatre, doesn't care about the social ladder, and doesn't care in the slightest what people think of him.
I think that basing your ship off of the idea of forgiveness and redemption is ridiculous, honestly, because forgiving someone doesn't lead to romance. It just doesn't.
Yes, forgiveness is important. It is hugely important, but there has to be more than just that. There have to be common interests and attraction, trust and caring. I don't think that Kurt and Karofsky will ever have that.
Also, sexual assault is any unwanted contact done in an intimate way. Kissing is intimate, and Karofsky kissed Kurt, who most definitely did not want it.
And Blaine has done plenty for Kurt. I'm sorry that people don't see taking a tainted slushy to the eye and needing surgery as something important. If Blaine hadn't taken that slushy for Kurt, it might have been Kurt who needed eye surgery.
@Rachel if we are talking about the gorilla costume it would be creepy with anybody in it, really ahah!
We are talking about the actions that came with the gorilla. Dave skipped school and literally followed Kurt around for days. If the messages were from Blaine (and FROM Blaine, not Blaine following Kurt around) it would not be creepy (except for the costume) because guess what? He's Kurt's boyfriend and it would be totally normal for him to send him gift or love cards. And I'm not saying that Kurt can't be loved by anyone but his boyfriend and can't have an admirer, it's just that knowing they are from a guy who bullyed him last year, and yes, apologized, yes, meet him in a gay bar and seemed ok with himself and everything, and then shows up to a dinner date, out of nowhere, when Kurt thought it was a date with his boyfriend and trying to win his feelings? No.
I dont' even know how someone can think this is a good idea, I don't dislike Dave and I can feel his confusion, but I feel really bad for him for having such an unpleseant development. Let's see what the next episode will be like.
And I continue to think that the poll options are limited, I can just see the Blaine haters (that hates him for omg!solos stealing reasons and maybe cares little about Kurt) pooling here to vote for Kurtofsky when this has little to do with Blaine.
(always sorry for my english)
Something did happen . I know Kurt was quick to forgive him but I also think he has a tendency to overlook Blaine's dark side (in which I include drinking) . Which I guess is what you do when you're IN love .
But Kurt HAS dealt with the worse of Dave, and yes, it was positively traumatic, but you know what the result was ? Dave's improvement .
And no, I don't think their relationship would be just based on Kurt helping him . We saw in this episode a glimpse of what Dave is willing to do for Kurt . The romance, the time, the dedication . It wasn't creepy. It was very very sweet and he didn't even know if it would work (though he certainly hoped) .
That is what I want for both of them and that is my last contribution to this discussion .
okay, my last comment makes them seem like Twilight. :/
I think their "chemistry" is exaggerated. What, is telling someone you want to kill them, and them baiting and switching and saying you're in love with them chemistry, or just pure madness?
Karofsky comes off as erratically one dimensional, and recently, really selfish and immature. Like, what is he a child? He seems to have regressed and become the ultimate wet blanket.
You want to know why I ship Kurt with Dave?
Because I believe that everybody deserves a second chance. If they didn't get one, nobody would get anywhere in life. Because we all make mistakes.
Because Max and Chris have fantastic chemistry. There's a reason that the scene at Scandals was the most talked-about scene on Glee last fall, and it wasn't because of anything Blaine did. Every moment that Max and Chris spend together on screen has a tangible chemistry to it. They're dynamite together and it would be a fantastic waste of acting prowess to write off Dave.
Because I believe in redemption. What better message is there to send on Glee, a show that teaches about self-acceptance, than that you can make amends for the past and people will accept you? Or, because you made a mistake, you're done forever. Really, which would you rather have? Because to me, making a mistake is human. Being able to forgive people for their mistakes is much harder than making mistakes in the first place. That's why forgiveness is such a powerful message.
Because Dave actually cares. Dave has been trying to make up for his actions for almost an entire season now. Do you realize how long a season is in TV? Dave's been trying to make up for his mistakes for almost half of the entire run that Glee has had. He's not doing it because he wants a pat on the head, a "good job." It's because he actually cares what happens to Kurt and because he feels terrible. Blaine is a perfectly adequate boyfriend but I haven't seen him do something that genuine for Kurt in a long time (and throwing yourself in front of a slushie that would have just bleached Kurt's clothes had it hit its intended target doesn't count).
Because the argument that Pirates "don't know what they're shipping" is completely untrue. Do you think that Kurtofsky shippers walk through life through a field of roses where nothing bad ever happens to them? We have as many people who have "had a Karofsky" in their lives as the Klainers. We understand. We still ship it. I've been bullied, physically, verbally, what hae you, for my entire life. I know what it's like. I am fortunate enough to have never been sexually assaulted. And you know, so has Kurt. Neither Blaine nor Dave has ever sexually assaulted him and I find it borderline offensive that so many people insist on throwing those words around.
Why do the Pirates ship Kurtofsky?
Because we believe in forgiveness, redemption, the power Glee has to tell this story, Kurt, acceptance but above all because we believe in Dave.
Go away, Sebastian. Don't you have a rocksalt-tainted slushy you need to throw in the face of another innocent bystander?
Sebastian i love you x3
Excuse me while I interrupt your petty squabbling. Why isn't there a poll for me? My desires are far more important than 'Blaine or Karofsky', and honestly, focusing on me would be a much hotter story line.
Just saying.
I have never in my life read such ignorant comments. I can't even believe I'm a fan of the same show as some of you. Kurt deserves someone who loves and adores him so he should be with DAVE KAROFSKY? Seriously? What about Karofsky tells you he loves and adores Kurt? He doesn't even know Kurt. I mean, I'm sure he knows exactly how hard he has to shove Kurt in order to make him hit a locker, but aside from that. It's a sick, sad obsession that he has with Kurt, nothing more. He's not in love with him, Kurt was 100% right. Why should Kurt's relationship be all about him helping the poor jock accept himself. Kurt's relationship should be about being with someone he loves who loves him back, someone who knows him and understands him, someone who would change schools for him and put themselves in harms way for him. Kurt deserves to have someone who is not only his boyfriend but one of his best friends. Karofsky is one of the most self-centered characters I've ever seen. I can get being his fan, because all characters have fans, but why is it necessary for him to be with Kurt? After what he did? He can be with someone else, seriously.
Sure drunkeness can be used as an excuse, but nothing actually happened.
Negative Actions Performed by Blaine toward Kurt: Tried to have sex with his boyfriend while drunk.
Negative Actions Performed by Karofsky toward Kurt: Multiple accounts of slushying, multiple accounts of assault, multiple uses of a slur, sexual assault, and a death threat.
Now I shall commence a speech.
Blaine Anderson loves Kurt Hummel. This is undeniable. Blaine has gotten Kurt through several traumatic parts of his life, including a bullying spree lead by one David Karofsky.
David Karofsky, who bullied Kurt for years before finally coming to terms with his sexuality, has just revealed that he thinks that he loves Kurt. What kind of relationship could they have, were David's attempts at seducing Kurt successful? The memories of bullying would always be there, in the back of Kurt's mind. He will never escape from the pain that Karofsky caused him.
Blaine looks at Kurt with such love and adoration in his eyes that there is no doubt in my mind that he will always love Kurt.
Now, I'm going to leave you with a question. If you were Kurt, or in Kurt's situation, and you had been bullied all your life for something that was out of your control, and then your bully, who has pushed, shoved, slushied, and thrown you into dumpsters, grabs your face and kisses you, what do you do? Do you forgive him because he kissed you? Do you find that romantic? What if shortly after, he threatens your life? *He* kissed *you*, and now he's threatening your life, causing you harm for something out of your control.
I don't ship Kurtofsky because I am genuinely offended by the idea. I know people who have had people like Karofsky happen to them, and trust me, they are not ready to skip off into the sunset with that person.
I don't know what it's like to have a Karofsky, but I do know what it's like to be sexually harassed and pursued by the individuals who harassed me. It doesn't make you feel loved. It doesn't make you happy. It hurts and it feels humiliating.
So, ship it if you like, I honestly could not care what pairing you support on a tv show, but please keep in mind exactly what you are shipping, and think twice before harassing someone for not supporting that relationship.
I'm actually offended that the "no" option is because he's in love with Blaine. There are 10000 other reasons why Kurt and Dave shouldn't be together and Blaine is on the bottom of that list.
being drunk has also been the excuse of many murderers .
so what ?
*Sigh*
I like Dave. I have wanted Kurt and Dave to be friends for a long time. I think it would be good for Dave to continue having that type of relationship with Kurt, because he needs someone to talk to. As far as a romantic relationship, I thought that the gorilla thing was sweet, and Dave looked so hopeful it damn near broke my heart. However, Kurt turned him down, and he did so in a very classy way, I think. He also made it clear that he is not interested in Dave in a romantic sense because, right now, he is happy with Blaine. That's canon. That was on the show. It really happened. On Glee. The TV show.
Some people look way to deep into this. It's a television show. Kurt and Blaine are a cute couple. They love each other. Karofsky bullied Kurt, Kurt forgave him. It was so random for Karofsky to just show up and confess his love for Kurt. Thats it. It's not like we're in the heads of these characters. The fact of the matter is that Karofsky bullied Kurt so badly that he had to leave his own school. It's good that Kurt forgave him and it would be really cool if Kurt could help him come out. They're friends now so that would be a really cool, realistic storyline. But if they were to just throw in a relationship just to satisfy one fanbase, it would be so unrealistic and random and we would have to realize that RIB dont really know what they're doing. Some of you guys are being way to harsh and rude. They're fictional characters ON A TELEVISION SHOW. Chill out.
You could use "deep psychological issues" to excuse serial murder. So no.
ALSO
I don't know if we're watching the same show, but the klaine car scene was just PAINFUL to watch . With Kurt saying 'Stop' and trying to get away when he couldn't . I never felt so scared for Kurt in the whole duration of the show . Plus he was drunk . You seem to use his state as an excuse for his behaviour, which I understand to some extent .
But compared to Dave's state of self loathing, conflicted feelings and possible depression I think a few drinks is a pretty lame excuse . Plus it was one kiss that he didn't insist on AFTER BEING PUSHED and all the subsequent bullying was out of fear of being outed and more self hate .
THEY WERE BOTH WRONG .
But between a drunk night and a lousy apology, and deep psychological issues with a heartfelt apology - I prefer the latter by very, very far .
@Riley You know who else doesn't speak for Kurt? You.
Kurt says he likes Karofsky fine enough, but only as friends. He's not attracted to him romantically, and he still remembers the hate-kissing and the shoving, and he obviously thinks Dave is deluding himself "You only think that you're in love with me. You're not actually in love with me".
I am sick of these 'Well I would never date someone who did that to me..."
Well guess what,
YOU'RE NOT KURT.
Kurt is not torn up about what Dave did. He's not some delicate flower who sits around crying about the trauma he suffered. He's forgiven him. When he said he couldn't be with Dave he never once said it was because of the past. He just said it was because of Blaine.
I don't care If YOU would never be with Dave because of his past. Kurt has never said that and his word is the only one that counts when it comes to his love life.
@kurt fan you're awesome. HUZZAH FOR YOU.
I never thought the gorillagram was romantic (or even that it was blaine in there- maybe that it was hired)- BUT LOL. it's was legit karofsky walking around in that suit in a school that he doesn't even go to. It was MADE creepy simply because of that fact. Also that he thought Kurt would drop everything and be with him simply because of one conversation, a bunch of cards and sweets that he thought were from Blaine, and a gorilla outfit.
The straws you Kurtofsky shippers will grasp at to demonize Blaine. He has never forced himself on Kurt and if all that matters is that "Kurt forgave Dave" then take a leaf out of your own book and stop with this "Blaine tried to force Kurt" bullshit, because those words have never come out of Kurt's mouth and "You tormented and hate kissed me" certainly have. I have a problem with that. I don't think you date someone who has done that sort of thing to you. I wouldn't and I'd be concerned for any friend or realtive that did. Ergo I think it sends a bad message so I wouldn't watch the show if it happend. That's just me, just my vote, so let me have it.
how dare you compare the blaine and kurt drunken bar thing to karofsky forcibly kissing kurt. don't you fucking dare. you guys obviously know nothing about love because kurt and blaine are in love and blaine would NEVER do anything to hurt kurt, or vice versa. karofsky and kurt will NEVER be together, and if they ever are i will have lost faith in humanity and logic.
Wow, let's be a little more hypocritical guys.
So, from what I've seen, people have been saying "Oh, if that's Blaine in the gorilla suit it'll be so cute."
And then it ends up being Dave and people say it's creepy.
Yeah, okay. Good logic there, guys.
Comparing the thing that happened in the car to the thing in the locker room is just dumb because everyone has a different opinion on what sexual assault/harassment is, so that's just really stupid to fight about.
No means no. They were both wrong but guess what.
Kurt doesn't give a fuck anymore. Don't know if you caught on. He's not wallowed up in his room sobbing over Dave or Blaine, he's actually going to school, hanging out with friends, singing.
Know why? Cause he got over it at his own speed. Stop making shit up that you THINK he's feeling when the writers have had him SAY LINES that prove that HE'S OKAY.
I know you guys are super into this whole "klaine" thing but I'm begging you to take a walk outside or get a hobby because the majority of you either don't have a fucking CLUE what you're talking about or are ignoring half of the CANON moments cause you don't want your precious Blarren to leave the show.
Blaine didn't try to force Kurt to have sex. He made a move on his boyfriend and got shot down. Yes he continued to try to talk Kurt into it after Kurt said no, but he never tried to rape him.