Should dolphins and whales have rights as non-human persons?

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  • butt nuget 233 - 12 years ago

    FrayedEnds wrote: "Until a gorilla cures a disease, or a orangutan wins a nobel prize, I reject your premise that we are not all that different from our higher primate "cousins"."
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    Until you can cure a disease or win a Nobel Prize, I reject your premise that you are not all that different than your more educated human "cousins". Perhaps your "human" rights should be reassessed accordingly? ;-)

    That should illustrate how juvenile and meaningless your original statement is. In any case, what you think of my credentials is meaningless and has nothing to do with the subject, nor do I rely on "opinion" when discussing scientific findings. The science speaks for itself. The vast number of studies undertaken on the subject backs the fact that nearly all animal species on earth have evolved to react to their environment using both instinctual and non-heritable based behaviours. It's a fact that you can continue to ignore or learn how to live with. The choice is ultimately up to you.

    While the peer reviewed papers on this subject run into the 10's of thousands and are spread across dozens of scientific journals, I would strongly suggest a subscription to the science journal "Animal Behaviour" if you're sincerely interested in learning more about the scientific basis behind this intriguing subject. The study of complex animal behaviour in other species has proved to be invaluable for understanding our own behaviour. Dr. Charles Snowdon, one of the world's most notable animal behaviour specialists, makes this perfectly clear in his short paper which illustrates why study in the subject area is so important to our species:

  • cango beirdo - 12 years ago

    FrayedEnds wrote: "Until a gorilla cures a disease, or a orangutan wins a nobel prize, I reject your premise that we are not all that different from our higher primate "cousins"."
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    Until you can cure a disease or win a Nobel Prize, I reject your premise that you are not all that different than your more educated human "cousins". Perhaps your "human" rights should be reassessed accordingly? ;-)

    That should illustrate how juvenile and meaningless your original statement is. In any case, what you think of my credentials is meaningless and has nothing to do with the subject, nor do I rely on "opinion" when discussing scientific findings. The science speaks for itself. The vast number of studies undertaken on the subject backs the fact that nearly all animal species on earth have evolved to react to their environment using both instinctual and non-heritable based behaviours. It's a fact that you can continue to ignore or learn how to live with. The choice is ultimately up to you.

    While the peer reviewed papers on this subject run into the 10's of thousands and are spread across dozens of scientific journals, I would strongly suggest a subscription to the science journal "Animal Behaviour" if you're sincerely interested in learning more about the scientific basis behind this intriguing subject. The study of complex animal behaviour in other species has proved to be invaluable for understanding our own behaviour. Dr. Charles Snowdon, one of the world's most notable animal behaviour specialists, makes this perfectly clear in his short paper which illustrates why study in the subject area is so important to our species:

  • Scientist dude - 12 years ago

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  • Mr mierda - 12 years ago

    I firmly believe dolphins and whales (and all other animals) need strengthened animal rights, but to consider them persons under the law? Not the best course of action in my opinion.

    If animals are afforded the same rights as humans, what happens when an animal commits a crime? When an animal is the victim of a crime? Do these animals have the right to face their accuser? Do they have the right to a fair trial? How do you try a lion fairly? Can a gazelle understand their rights when arrested? Do we have to offer an otter service in two languages? Do we try a coyote for murder if it hunts a deer for food? Do we charge a vulture with desecrating a body?

    It's one thing to have a nice lofty ideal that translates nicely into a 30 second sound bite for the news. But to give human rights to animals would be impossible to do practically. I don't know about you, but I don't want to chase down every chickadee to ensure they have access to clean drinking water.

    The issue here is anthropomorphizing animals and the belief that nature is cruel when viewed from a human perspective.

    I have seen people leave out bird feed for migratory birds well past the time to fly south. I have also seen these birds covered in ice and hardly able to move, since they stayed in a climate they are ill-equipped to handle due to a readily available food source.

    I have seen people break down in tears thinking about how cold that poor raccoon must be in the winter. I have also seen said raccoon fattened up and sleeping comfortably all winter long.

    A lion is not going to consider your rights when it feels you are a danger, it's going to rip you to shreds.

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  • Tito - 12 years ago

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  • Noah Chupa - 12 years ago

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  • Kirsten Massebeau - 12 years ago

    The science today has demonstrated the size but more importantly the shape and furroughs of the cetacean brain. Yes, there are even some like myself who believe these beings have intelligence far beyond mans. Socially they leave us back in the Cave man days. For those of you who are so arrogant in thinking you are the supreme being open your eyes and accept the science.

  • Jan Isherwood - 12 years ago

    The same question was being asked about the negro population.I remember reading a biography of Mary Cassat and in a letter she wrote: God. Help Us if"They" have Souls! Well,we're talking about the same thing. Evolution is SUCH A SLOW PROCESS. CETACEAN RIGHTS! ANIMAL RIGHTS! Why the hell not! Every Creature Counts!

  • Jan Isherwood - 12 years ago

    The same question was being asked about the negro population.I remember reading a biography of Mary Cassat and in a letter she wrote: God. Help Us if"They" have Souls! Well,we're talking about the same thing. Evolution is SUCH A SLOW PROCESS. CETACEAN RIGHTS! ANIMAL RIGHTS! Why the hell not! Every Creature Counts!

  • Dave Rideough - 12 years ago

    Dolphins are not sentient or sapient on anywhere near the same level as humans. They’re about as smart as rats or pigs. Now, that isn’t to say that dolphins are especially dumb, just that there are plenty of other animals that are pretty smart.

    Why should we give human rights to cetaceans before we give them to rats and pigs?

    The question of whether dolphins and whales deserve human rights has less to do with their intelligence that it does with how modern Western society has made ‘sacred cows’ out of them.

  • Agenda 21 - Beware - 12 years ago

    As soon as the rest of the animal kingdom becomes herbivores, then I too, will become a herbivore.

    and NOT before !

  • Conor - 12 years ago

    Excuse me, Joe, I am a Christian and I believe that cetaceans deserve rights. They are amazing creatures that deserve more than being hunted and killed.

  • Marguerite - 12 years ago

    I think all humans in the world should have human rights,but animals also should have rights in this world because thats the only way that they can be protected from poachers,hunters, skinners of animals for fur and protection from abuse in farms and slaughterhouses,this is the only way that animals will have voices to protect them from violence and be treated as victims from humans who can be prisoned for certain acts against animals including buggery and rape torture and murderous acts and dog fighting..

  • Jenna - 12 years ago

    People seem to be confusing the words 'human' and 'person'. No one is suggesting we give cetaceans 'human' rights. The idea of 'personhood' is what is being talked about here. Please note the difference between the two!

  • Rachel - 12 years ago

    How sad is it when we give human rights to animals, but we take them away from human fetuses because it's inconvenient for us.

  • Joe - 12 years ago

    68 people are christians

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