@Kim, you comment, "Do we really need to subject our children to that type of environment?" I seriously doubt anyone is suggesting that having a bar in proximity to a school implies that children will be brought to the bar.
You pose the rhetorical question, "What type of crowd will gather around that area?" This is a good question, but largely irrelevant if the establishment in question has no outdoors area. Nowhere in this question is this implied, so the question is moot. You could, conceivably, argue that people might gather outside the bar, but how would this be any different than people gathering outside a drug store, or grocery store, or church?
You comment further, "Alcohol brings about bad choices in people...". This is, of course, false on the face of it - alcohol use in and of itself does not "[bring] about bad choices in people", alcohol ABUSE does. In fact, I think this is one of the central teachings of the D.A.R.E. program (http://www.dare.com/home/druginformation/alcohol.asp), which is taught to the schoolchildren in question.
The question as posed says nothing about WHEN the bar would be open, but naturally, if the bar were not open during school hours, your points about the children being exposed to ANY aspect of the bar's operation (good or bad) would be moot. However, even if it were open during school hours, your equation of alcohol use with alcohol abuse is at best directly contradicted by official D.A.R.E. teaching (which strongly implies that moderate alcohol use is ok and normal, if you are legally allowed to consume it), and at worst an obvious slandering of the billions of people across the world who enjoy alcohol, in moderation, sometimes at establishments set up for the express purpose of serving it, without any ill effects whatsoever.
The primary clarification questions that should be raised are: who is opening this establishment? Are they honest people? Are they trying to improve an area that needs improvement? None of these are addressed in the original question - we are being asked to make a blanket judgment based on nothing.
-Jim F.
Kim Gordon - 12 years ago
Do we really need to subject our children to that type of environment? They already are subjected to so much adversity. What type of crowd will gather around that area? Alcohol brings about bad choices in people and I would hate to think that one of those choices would have a harmful impact on any child attending that school.
Kim G.
@Kim, you comment, "Do we really need to subject our children to that type of environment?" I seriously doubt anyone is suggesting that having a bar in proximity to a school implies that children will be brought to the bar.
You pose the rhetorical question, "What type of crowd will gather around that area?" This is a good question, but largely irrelevant if the establishment in question has no outdoors area. Nowhere in this question is this implied, so the question is moot. You could, conceivably, argue that people might gather outside the bar, but how would this be any different than people gathering outside a drug store, or grocery store, or church?
You comment further, "Alcohol brings about bad choices in people...". This is, of course, false on the face of it - alcohol use in and of itself does not "[bring] about bad choices in people", alcohol ABUSE does. In fact, I think this is one of the central teachings of the D.A.R.E. program (http://www.dare.com/home/druginformation/alcohol.asp), which is taught to the schoolchildren in question.
The question as posed says nothing about WHEN the bar would be open, but naturally, if the bar were not open during school hours, your points about the children being exposed to ANY aspect of the bar's operation (good or bad) would be moot. However, even if it were open during school hours, your equation of alcohol use with alcohol abuse is at best directly contradicted by official D.A.R.E. teaching (which strongly implies that moderate alcohol use is ok and normal, if you are legally allowed to consume it), and at worst an obvious slandering of the billions of people across the world who enjoy alcohol, in moderation, sometimes at establishments set up for the express purpose of serving it, without any ill effects whatsoever.
The primary clarification questions that should be raised are: who is opening this establishment? Are they honest people? Are they trying to improve an area that needs improvement? None of these are addressed in the original question - we are being asked to make a blanket judgment based on nothing.
-Jim F.
Do we really need to subject our children to that type of environment? They already are subjected to so much adversity. What type of crowd will gather around that area? Alcohol brings about bad choices in people and I would hate to think that one of those choices would have a harmful impact on any child attending that school.
Kim G.