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"Nazi Germany sterilizing mentally handicapped people and homosexuals"...................................................................................................................
They weren't paid:
in T4 and in the concentration camps, children and gays were killed.
In the camps, gays were sometimes tortured and castrated.
Paying someone who is undesirable to be sterilized is about as slimy a practice as Nazi Germany sterilizing mentally handicapped people and homosexuals. Perhaps you can explain to me who makes the decisions about who gets sterilized? Who has appointed them so superior to the rest of humanity that they can decide they know how to pattern the future of humanity? How about instead we correct the ills of society by making people wish to remain sober, and wish to be productive parts of the whole picture, rather than deciding they are unworthy of being fully functioning citizens in an uber- world of some pathetic self-acclaimed prophet of the times!
"perhaps a fuller appreciation of wedge issues is in order."
That is (for brevity's sake) I do not know what to DO.
Nothing against Cygnus personally (don't know him at any rate). I'm reacting to Mid American culture and its pettiness. (cf the '09 abortion provider assassination in Witchita).
So many huge issues-- incl. threats to the biosphere-- yet an issue such as this is something to fret about?
Sure, everyone has difficulty with priorities- I'm probably much worse at prioritising than Cygnus. However this issue is blatantly minor next to countless other issues. Again, it is the Mid American pettiness: they worry or say they worry about guns, god, gays, abortion, flag burning-- but we are the petty ones? All the same, it could be I'm missing the point; perhaps a fuller appreciation of wedge issues is in order.
Yes, I fully support this, it's a great idea. I see that Cygnus is concerned about the addicts, but my concern is to reduce the amount of brain-damaged children and to reduce the expenses society has to pay as a consequence. It would be wonderful if the program was expanded to include alcoholics as well, so that there were less Fetal Alcohol births -
No, IMO we shouldn't be such chicken littles, afraid to take steps such as this. I see the addicts
everyday, there's no reason for them to have children and paying them to have their tbes tied or be sterilised is only once per capita. There's a lack of prioritisation: the wealthy dominate-
plus thugs coerce at the bottom- yet you worry about a trivial matter like paying a few hundred to prevent addicts from reproducing? Am not writing I have it figured out 'n know what to do.
But the same sort of difficulty arises with the religious: they shoot down ideas such as this out of ideology, not reason. They are pro-'life' for instance not on spiritual grounds, but because of ideology. (They want to be spiritual though they are more political than spiritual).
When you write: "Paying drug addicts not to have kids or to agree to sterilization is tantamount to bribery and coercion... Paying to support drug addiction is also another insidious way of perpetuating poverty and need of state assistance to ensure ongoing control of populous? [populace?]"
You sound almost as a hysterical libertarian. The following is itself quite statist: "the monies be spent innovating safe recreational drugs, and on education against misuse of harmful drugs and addiction?"
What good would discovering better drugs for addicts to get wasted on? Not a whole lot, it appears.
Thought you were less overly-emotional than me, Cygnus, yet perhaps you are not.
Paying drug addicts not to have kids or to agree to sterilization is tantamount to bribery and coercion, and in fact does nothing to solve the problems of addiction for those addicted?
Better the monies be spent innovating safe recreational drugs, and on education against misuse of harmful drugs and addiction?
Paying to support drug addiction is also another insidious way of perpetuating poverty and need of state assistance to ensure ongoing control of populous?