It amazing that most people don't seem to know or bring up the fact that the Confederacy it self was led by Conservatives, as was a conservative movement. Just as they do today, the conservatives argued that they were protectors of the constitution. They argued states rights over federalism. They were pro-white nationalism/supremacy. They were and are The South. The Republican Party didn't take over The South/former confederate states. The South/Conservatives/Confederates took over the Republican Party.
Cooper Union Address by Pres. Abraham Lincoln.
"Some of you delight to flaunt in our faces the warning against sectional parties given by Washington in his Farewell Address. Less than eight years before Washington gave that warning, he had, as President of the United States, approved and signed an act of Congress, enforcing the prohibition of slavery in the Northwestern Territory, which act embodied the policy of the Government upon that subject up to and at the very moment he penned that warning; and about one year after he penned it, he wrote LaFayette that he considered that prohibition a wise measure, expressing in the same connection his hope that we should at some time have a confederacy of free States.
Bearing this in mind, and seeing that sectionalism has since arisen upon this same subject, is that warning a weapon in your hands against us, or in our hands against you? Could Washington himself speak, would he cast the blame of that sectionalism upon us, who sustain his policy, or upon you who repudiate it? We respect that warning of Washington, and we commend it to you, together with his example pointing to the right application of it.
But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. True, you disagree among yourselves as to what that substitute shall be. You are divided on new propositions and plans, but you are unanimous in rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers. Some of you are for reviving the foreign slave trade; some for a Congressional Slave-Code for the Territories; some for Congress forbidding the Territories to prohibit Slavery within their limits; some for maintaining Slavery in the Territories through the judiciary; some for the "gur-reat pur-rinciple" that "if one man would enslave another, no third man should object," fantastically called "Popular Sovereignty;" but never a man among you is in favor of federal prohibition of slavery in federal territories, according to the practice of "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live." Not one of all your various plans can show a precedent or an advocate in the century within which our Government originated. Consider, then, whether your claim of conservatism for yourselves, and your charge or destructiveness against us, are based on the most clear and stable foundations.
Again, you say we have made the slavery question more prominent than it formerly was. We deny it. We admit that it is more prominent, but we deny that we made it so. It was not we, but you, who discarded the old policy of the fathers. We resisted, and still resist, your innovation; and thence comes the greater prominence of the question. Would you have that question reduced to its former proportions? Go back to that old policy. What has been will be again, under the same conditions. If you would have the peace of the old times, readopt the precepts and policy of the old times.
You charge that we stir up insurrections among your slaves. We deny it; and what is your proof? Harper's Ferry! John Brown!! Jo
david n pinkney - 11 years ago
Many in this country want "the good ole days" when WHITE was MIGHT and being WHITE made you right. They long for days when n*****s, could be treated as less than human and have the support of law enforcement in doing so. When the Constitution was a force for white males to use against anyone who opposed them. The south lost the war, but they want their n*****s back; or at least The Strange Fruit they provided.
Don - 11 years ago
What party treats people like property? oh that's right you aren't a person until after you leave the womb...
What party treats people like they are less than human?
What party supports the mass murder of blacks in the womb? it's ok, they are a choice not people yet...
Welfare is the new plantation.... try to leave it and do better for yourself and get called uncle tom or worse...
Woody Woodpecker - 11 years ago
"Does your Leadership blather on about and seemingly supports succession?" The word is "secession", dumbass. The only one "blathering on" is Ed Schultz, a wife-beating drunkard who's a cowardly shitbag.
Jim Varner - 11 years ago
IS ED "SHITBAG" SCULTZ A WIFE-BEATER?
Well, the divorce court's proceedings are sealed. But there are some clues:MAUREEN K ZIMMERMAN VS. EDWARD A SCHULTZCase Type: Divorce Date Filed: 01/26/1999 Location: — Cass County Judicial Officer: Marquart, Steven L11/02/1995 Converted Event Codes Doc ID# 72 (EXP01 ) EX PARTE TEMPORARY PROTECTION ORDER (CC TO CC SHER. & FGO. PD) 11/02/1995 Application Doc ID# 71 APPLICATION FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROTECTION ORDER11/16/1995 Hearing (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Backes, Norman J) UCIS Hrg Desc: PROTECTION ORDER Result: Hearing Ended11/30/1995 Motion/Hearing (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Backes, Norman J) UCIS Hrg Desc: CONTINUED CONTEMPT HEARING 09/11/1995 Continued to 11/30/1995 - Continuance - Schultz, Edward A Result: Hearing Ended02/18/2004 Motion Doc ID# 105 MOTION TO SEAL FILES AND RECORDS 02/18/2004 Affidavit Doc ID# 102 CONSENT AND ADMISSION FO SERVICE OF DEFENDANT TO SEAL FILES AND RECORDS AND WAIVER OF RIGHT TO FURTHER DISCLOSURE
Clark Kent - 11 years ago
What a stupid question. Gee, Ed, are MSNBC hosts the new Khmer Rouge? Is Ed Schultz a retired Waffen SS soldier? One can play that ridiculous game ad infinitum, ad nauseum. The TRUTH , Ed Schultz, is that your show is a piece of cr@p and your ratings are going down in flames like the Hindenburg. Your pathetic attempts to boost your declining viewership by playing the race card only confirms what a pitifully desperate loser you truly are.
Will Never Support Greed Merchants - 11 years ago
Does your Leadership blather on about and seemingly supports succession? Check.
Do you rail about gun ownership suggesting that sedition is a reasonable option? Check.
Do your Tea Bigots scream and foam at the mouth when Obama is discussed at public meetings? Check.
Does the party send coded messages about the foreignness of our President with the BS about birthplace? Check.
Do you favor slave-labor pay for the poor, black, and immigrants? Check.
Considering the above, the anger from conservatives about this poll seems misplaced. You are who you are. You're awfully proud at your rallies. Why hide (behind your white hoods)? (Ah, c'mon, ya gotta have a sense of humor when you're a barely concealed bigot.
Al - 11 years ago
Did anyone find it sad that there were NO black republicans invited to the DNC love fest the other day?
The only black US Senator in office today - Scott from S Carolina - was snubbed in favor of some of the worst, most divisive, racist hate mongers in the nation .. that includes Sharpton and his many disciples.
And conservatives are expected to katau to all of these hate filled, liberal progressives who are masquerading as Americans.
Ha!
Rich - 11 years ago
Conservative Republicans what to go back to a slave based economy.
SickofPoliticks - 11 years ago
Are all liberals this ignorant and hateful or is it just the ones that like the divisiveness in this nation? This is total BS and even you ignorant ones know it. Disgusting rhetoric from a disgusting man and many of his disgusting followers. What a sad state of affairs of this nation.
If Republicans aren't the new Confederates, they're putting up an amazing imitation.
E. L. Adams - 11 years ago
These people suffer from acute mental constipation and social myopia. If you don't look like them, you don't count. These individuals are a national disgrace. The only reason they are behaving this badly is because they cannot stand that, despite their fervent wishes to the contrary, a man of African descent is President. PERIOD. They can deny it all they want, but their behavior, stonewalling and outright venal attempts to derail any and all legislation designed to benefit ALL AMERICANS tells their story. This is not about political philosophical differences at all, and they know it.
Janice - 11 years ago
The current Republicans are much worse than the confederates, and they are not real conservatives. They focus on the party before the country.
Barry Hutchinson - 11 years ago
I can only stomach a few minutes of MSNBC I amazed how low and vile one network will actually go to divide this nation either by Race or party. If it is not of their view you can be assured this station and their host will make it their mission to wish that you ever thought about disagreeing with them. Very Shameful
I live in Richmond Virginia, where the Tea Party convention included booths selling confederate flags and kkk inspired pins with literature depicting Pres. Obama hanging from a noose- so yes I know first hand the current of racism in the far right of today's republican party. As far as the republican party of Lincoln as noted in rior comments and its historical support of Civil Rights for minorities and Equal rights for Women( Alice Paul was a republican, but she wouldn't be today), all that was pre "The Southern Strategy" which changed everything. It would indeed be wonderful if today's republican party would return to its prior core beliefs
Al - 11 years ago
If the bleeding liberals in this poll truly believe conservatives are the new confederacy, then let's be very honest; those same liberals are themselves exactly the same as those anti-Christ communists this nation hates and despises!
DavidA - 11 years ago
It's incredible the level of "historical" ignorance in these posts. Eisenhower (R) was the first to integrate the military and the first to sign the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act, while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
Or Johnson's supposed "public" support in signing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but behind closed doors... “These Negroes, they’re getting uppity these days. That’s a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we’ve got to do something about this. We’ve got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don’t move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there’ll be no way to stop them. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."
This myth about conservatism has been circulating in academia and the media since the 2004 presidential campaign. It goes something like this: the Republican Party assembled a national majority by winning over Southern white voters; Southern white voters are racist; therefore, the GOP is racist. But the facts, Ken, do not support the liberal theory or the hypothesis. Where were the "enlightened" liberals for the first 100 years?
Fifty years ago, nine black students, escorted by federal troops under the orders of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, integrated Central High School in Little Rock, Ark. The Little Rock Nine have become icons of the modern civil rights movement; President Eisenhower has not. How is it that, at the same time we honor and celebrate the dignity and heroism of the Little Rock Nine, we overlook or - even worse - forget Eisenhower's role in this historic event?
The Republican platform in 1964 was hardly catnip for Klansmen: It spoke of the Johnson administration’s failure to help further the "just aspirations of the minority groups" and blasted the president for his refusal "to apply Republican-initiated retraining programs where most needed, particularly where they could afford new economic opportunities to Negro citizens." Other planks in the platform included: "improvements of civil rights statutes adequate to changing needs of our times; such additional administrative or legislative actions as may be required to end the denial, for whatever unlawful reason, of the right to vote; continued opposition to discrimination based on race, creed, national origin or sex."
Further, the enforcement of affirmative action began with Richard Nixon‘s 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher who became known as "the father of affirmative action") that was merit-based and set the nation‘s first goals and timetables. Nixon was also responsible for the passage of civil rights legislation in the 1970’s. Affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system that even most blacks do not support, affirmative action was pushed by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson kicked almost all blacks out of federal government jobs after he was elected in 1912. Also, while Wilson was president and Congress was controlled by the Democrats, more discriminatory bills were introduced in Congress than ever before in our nation’s history. Nixon enforced the Civil Rights Act and extended the Voting Rights Act. On school desegregation, he supervised a desegregation of Deep South schools that had eluded his predecessors and then denied tax-exempt status to man
Angie - 11 years ago
This poll just sent me over the edge!! The 73% of you who voted don't know what it really means to be conservative. There is a difference between a Constitutional conservative and a conservative Republican. Conservative and liberal were terms that were chosen because they are polar opposites. A Constitutional conservative believes that the government should have as little involvement in the lives of the people as possible. Look at the Bill of Rights!! These 10 amendments were written to PROTECT the rights of the individual and to LIMIT the involvement the government can have on their lives.
But, as long as we're using the popular usage of the term conservative, just because someone is conservative doesn't necessarily mean that they are white, and therefore, not the new Confederacy!! MSNBC wants to make race the issue, then let them answer this question. If all white people that don't approve of Obama's performance as our President are racist, then what does that make all minorities who didn't approve of Bush's? You can't have it both ways!!!
Nick - 11 years ago
Hmmm...the way I recall my history class.................The Confederates were Democrats, Lincoln was a Republican, Republicans were for Civil Rights, the Democrats were against it, the KKK was founded by a Confederate general who was a Democrat. You will find biggots on both sides of the isle. There are just as many black biggots as there are white ones. MSNBC is bleeding viewers so bad, and it is propaganda like this that is going to be their downfall.
Gerry Slaney - 11 years ago
Looking backward they are the modern Confederacy. Today they are the American Taliban.
Allen Hoffer - 11 years ago
If liberals truly desire to equate conservatism with the confederacy, then it is only fair to equate the liberals with the world's anti-Christ, communists.
I am an independent and even I find this offensive! Crap like this is why MSNBC's ratings are in the tank and they are bleeding viewers every day. At least CNN and Fox News have actual NEWS blocks and aren't NEARLY as hate-filled as this ingrate and his "journalist" colleagues at MSNBC. I will continue to alternate CNN and Fox News while NEVER tuning into MSNBC. I just wish that there was a truly neutral news station out there. Partisan finger-pointing by politicians AND the media is responsible for the damn shape this country is in.
TOYBB - 11 years ago
Yes !! Anyone willing to SHUT THE GOV'T DOWN , is NOT for this COUNTRY or US99% !! The REPS are the ones WHO Wellcomed the DIXIE CRATS ( Who were WH Suprems ! ) into their Party in the 60's and CHANGED the PEOPLES parties from REPS to the NEW DEMS and BAD DEM'S into TODAYS REP Party !!! This New REP party does Not know HOW to Run the GOV'T !! The Normal REPS who are Middle LT , are Staying QUIET !! And the REPS want to ELECT the CANADIAN BORN CRUZ !!! How UN-AMERICAN !!! The REPS WILL HURT the USA , just to get Back At that BLACK PRESIDENT!!!! WE99% MUST VOTE !!! Every ELECTION !! That is How WE99% Take BACK the USA !!!!
Dearl Topping - 11 years ago
I read with earnestness the comments that are listed above. Why are so many of you afraid to admit that conservatism is the new confederacy? Why are you offended by the poll? Two questions that tell me we are still living in a country that is so divided by race that I wonder if it will ever change. Fear of the unknown has a tendency to do more damage to a group of people who refuses to acknowledge this country is a "melting pot". Divisions in this country comes from the fact the Republican Party has been strong-armed by a group of extremist who believe America belongs to them and their ideologies. If you want to see change in this party, tell your party to speak up against the extremist.
Cate - 11 years ago
Just a clarification....by "common" white folk, I meant those of us who have to work for a living. The historically wealthy (white) folks never had to care about any of it because they ran the show in the first place.
news junkee - 11 years ago
Definitely. They'll never admit that the reason they hate Obama and don't want people of color and others to advance is because they are black.
Cate - 11 years ago
Thank you, Cheryl Salerno.
BlueDog - 11 years ago
Yes,they are the confederacy, kkk,white supremacy, arain nation all belonging to these hate groups.
Turning their hate on the elderly, disabled, and babies, the mentally challanged.Some party.
Carolyn Morgan - 11 years ago
Actually, for many, it's the old Confederacy, still pissed over losing "the Wah." There's nothing conservative, in the true sense of the word, about it. They fear the future.
Cate - 11 years ago
Yes and no. There are many fiscal conservatives who are socially progressive and very concerned about the environment. If you are talking about Tea Party conservatives, I would be more on the yes side, as this group seems to have a visceral hatred of the Federal Government and to carry on a racist tradition that common white folk have espoused for generations, often because their fears have been whipped up and misinformed by industrial/corporate/political interests. The Koch brothers are nothing new. What is so disturbing is the power of the media as a corporate tool that has infused neo-con myths into the DNA of our cherished American beliefs of liberty. It amounts to doublespeak, a dangerous form of mind control.
Scott Berry - 11 years ago
Why were two of our former presidents (both named Bush) glaringly absent at the MLK 50th anniversary?
Ed Marks - 11 years ago
The GOP is no longer the Party of Lincoln. It is now the Party of Jefferson Davis.
wolffman - 11 years ago
Conservative Republicans are a bigger threat to our freedom and our country than Al-qaida ever thought to be.
Chuch - 11 years ago
I'm 69, and can remember when the south was Democratic until the Blacks got the right to vote in "65".
Whites in the South became Republican, touting states rights against all Civil Rights issues.
Roland Wilkenson - 11 years ago
The republicans are the american edition of the taliban - simple as that, however not ALL folks on the right are cut from that cloth, my parents and grandparents weren't like these taliban raging in North Carolina and other states. If i was on the right i would be ashamed at my party's performance and treatment of our current president and by not reigning in the extreme right and work with the president for jobs etc blah! damn it just makes me freaking angry!
Shells35 - 11 years ago
It's sad when some people make excuses for the blatant racist behavior that conservatives have shown in their actions, rhetoric, and policies. The quicker we stop making excuses and get out to vote against this type of KKK behavior...the better off we ALL will be on this Earth.
cheryl salerno, minister - 11 years ago
Not just the Confederates - remember, this country was established out of the greed and arrogance of the British Empire. A wave from the future inspired our founding fathers to establish a more perfect union. But the wave of the future has been in constant collision with the entrenched, antiquated worldviews of the past. From time to time, the future has re-ignited the dream in a Lincoln or in women's right to vote or in the Civil Rights Act. But always there is backlash from the past, insisting on its hold on the present. So now in 2008 and 2012, again the future voted and we are seeing it all coming to an ugly head, like a boil on the face of America - the hatred, born out of arrogance, superiority, greed. And what will lance that boil? The future, and it is coming, and coming faster than it ever has. There is no place for hatred, fear, arrogance and greed in the America whose dream is being realized more and more each day.
South Jersey Steve - 11 years ago
I find it CRIMINAL that NO former Republican US President (OK, either Bushes, who else?) or any Republican member of Congress was in attendance. No wonder they can't get any support from minorities. Talk is real cheap if your a republican these days.
elaine - 11 years ago
Conservatives have to be exposed once and for all as the true racist that they are
George - 11 years ago
The conservative overlords are in the process of dividing the country. Wake up its not the pole.
Mark - 11 years ago
They are speaking words and taking actions that would confirm they are. I will never forget the onslaught of racist anti-Obama comments and dog whistles on Newsvine during the months leading up to the 2008 election. They continued after the election. Not all conservatives spoke that way but I was shocked to see so much racism come out from under the rocks.
Joe Edwards - 11 years ago
Yes they are the new Confederates, and they're going down just like them too.
Anthony C - 11 years ago
A poll like this does nothing for bridging the gap between ideologies. This is nothing more than a further attempt to demonize conservatives as racists. Once you label conservatives racists it becomes much easier to discount and/or ignore every message that conservatives have. Is this really the state of our nation? This poll would be just as ignorant if had targeted liberals.
steve - 11 years ago
This poll is racist. How dare MSNBC ask such a racist question on the 50th anniversary of MLK's speech?
Joseph Vicaire - 11 years ago
Consertives, heritage are slave holders nothing has changed in their attidudes and thinking.They still want people to work for nothing or next to nothing even in todays world.
Mark R. Van Sickle - 11 years ago
Forget Buckley. Racism is the unmentioned Plank in modern Conservatism.
Elliott Smythe - 11 years ago
I can't believe these stupid, offensive polls that you come up with. Talk about trying to divide America. Shameful.
It amazing that most people don't seem to know or bring up the fact that the Confederacy it self was led by Conservatives, as was a conservative movement. Just as they do today, the conservatives argued that they were protectors of the constitution. They argued states rights over federalism. They were pro-white nationalism/supremacy. They were and are The South. The Republican Party didn't take over The South/former confederate states. The South/Conservatives/Confederates took over the Republican Party.
Cooper Union Address by Pres. Abraham Lincoln.
"Some of you delight to flaunt in our faces the warning against sectional parties given by Washington in his Farewell Address. Less than eight years before Washington gave that warning, he had, as President of the United States, approved and signed an act of Congress, enforcing the prohibition of slavery in the Northwestern Territory, which act embodied the policy of the Government upon that subject up to and at the very moment he penned that warning; and about one year after he penned it, he wrote LaFayette that he considered that prohibition a wise measure, expressing in the same connection his hope that we should at some time have a confederacy of free States.
Bearing this in mind, and seeing that sectionalism has since arisen upon this same subject, is that warning a weapon in your hands against us, or in our hands against you? Could Washington himself speak, would he cast the blame of that sectionalism upon us, who sustain his policy, or upon you who repudiate it? We respect that warning of Washington, and we commend it to you, together with his example pointing to the right application of it.
But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. True, you disagree among yourselves as to what that substitute shall be. You are divided on new propositions and plans, but you are unanimous in rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers. Some of you are for reviving the foreign slave trade; some for a Congressional Slave-Code for the Territories; some for Congress forbidding the Territories to prohibit Slavery within their limits; some for maintaining Slavery in the Territories through the judiciary; some for the "gur-reat pur-rinciple" that "if one man would enslave another, no third man should object," fantastically called "Popular Sovereignty;" but never a man among you is in favor of federal prohibition of slavery in federal territories, according to the practice of "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live." Not one of all your various plans can show a precedent or an advocate in the century within which our Government originated. Consider, then, whether your claim of conservatism for yourselves, and your charge or destructiveness against us, are based on the most clear and stable foundations.
Again, you say we have made the slavery question more prominent than it formerly was. We deny it. We admit that it is more prominent, but we deny that we made it so. It was not we, but you, who discarded the old policy of the fathers. We resisted, and still resist, your innovation; and thence comes the greater prominence of the question. Would you have that question reduced to its former proportions? Go back to that old policy. What has been will be again, under the same conditions. If you would have the peace of the old times, readopt the precepts and policy of the old times.
You charge that we stir up insurrections among your slaves. We deny it; and what is your proof? Harper's Ferry! John Brown!! Jo
Many in this country want "the good ole days" when WHITE was MIGHT and being WHITE made you right. They long for days when n*****s, could be treated as less than human and have the support of law enforcement in doing so. When the Constitution was a force for white males to use against anyone who opposed them. The south lost the war, but they want their n*****s back; or at least The Strange Fruit they provided.
What party treats people like property? oh that's right you aren't a person until after you leave the womb...
What party treats people like they are less than human?
What party supports the mass murder of blacks in the womb? it's ok, they are a choice not people yet...
Welfare is the new plantation.... try to leave it and do better for yourself and get called uncle tom or worse...
"Does your Leadership blather on about and seemingly supports succession?" The word is "secession", dumbass. The only one "blathering on" is Ed Schultz, a wife-beating drunkard who's a cowardly shitbag.
IS ED "SHITBAG" SCULTZ A WIFE-BEATER?
Well, the divorce court's proceedings are sealed. But there are some clues:MAUREEN K ZIMMERMAN VS. EDWARD A SCHULTZCase Type: Divorce Date Filed: 01/26/1999 Location: — Cass County Judicial Officer: Marquart, Steven L11/02/1995 Converted Event Codes Doc ID# 72 (EXP01 ) EX PARTE TEMPORARY PROTECTION ORDER (CC TO CC SHER. & FGO. PD) 11/02/1995 Application Doc ID# 71 APPLICATION FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROTECTION ORDER11/16/1995 Hearing (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Backes, Norman J) UCIS Hrg Desc: PROTECTION ORDER Result: Hearing Ended11/30/1995 Motion/Hearing (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Backes, Norman J) UCIS Hrg Desc: CONTINUED CONTEMPT HEARING 09/11/1995 Continued to 11/30/1995 - Continuance - Schultz, Edward A Result: Hearing Ended02/18/2004 Motion Doc ID# 105 MOTION TO SEAL FILES AND RECORDS 02/18/2004 Affidavit Doc ID# 102 CONSENT AND ADMISSION FO SERVICE OF DEFENDANT TO SEAL FILES AND RECORDS AND WAIVER OF RIGHT TO FURTHER DISCLOSURE
What a stupid question. Gee, Ed, are MSNBC hosts the new Khmer Rouge? Is Ed Schultz a retired Waffen SS soldier? One can play that ridiculous game ad infinitum, ad nauseum. The TRUTH , Ed Schultz, is that your show is a piece of cr@p and your ratings are going down in flames like the Hindenburg. Your pathetic attempts to boost your declining viewership by playing the race card only confirms what a pitifully desperate loser you truly are.
Does your Leadership blather on about and seemingly supports succession? Check.
Do you rail about gun ownership suggesting that sedition is a reasonable option? Check.
Do your Tea Bigots scream and foam at the mouth when Obama is discussed at public meetings? Check.
Does the party send coded messages about the foreignness of our President with the BS about birthplace? Check.
Do you favor slave-labor pay for the poor, black, and immigrants? Check.
Considering the above, the anger from conservatives about this poll seems misplaced. You are who you are. You're awfully proud at your rallies. Why hide (behind your white hoods)? (Ah, c'mon, ya gotta have a sense of humor when you're a barely concealed bigot.
Did anyone find it sad that there were NO black republicans invited to the DNC love fest the other day?
The only black US Senator in office today - Scott from S Carolina - was snubbed in favor of some of the worst, most divisive, racist hate mongers in the nation .. that includes Sharpton and his many disciples.
And conservatives are expected to katau to all of these hate filled, liberal progressives who are masquerading as Americans.
Ha!
Conservative Republicans what to go back to a slave based economy.
Are all liberals this ignorant and hateful or is it just the ones that like the divisiveness in this nation? This is total BS and even you ignorant ones know it. Disgusting rhetoric from a disgusting man and many of his disgusting followers. What a sad state of affairs of this nation.
If Republicans aren't the new Confederates, they're putting up an amazing imitation.
These people suffer from acute mental constipation and social myopia. If you don't look like them, you don't count. These individuals are a national disgrace. The only reason they are behaving this badly is because they cannot stand that, despite their fervent wishes to the contrary, a man of African descent is President. PERIOD. They can deny it all they want, but their behavior, stonewalling and outright venal attempts to derail any and all legislation designed to benefit ALL AMERICANS tells their story. This is not about political philosophical differences at all, and they know it.
The current Republicans are much worse than the confederates, and they are not real conservatives. They focus on the party before the country.
I can only stomach a few minutes of MSNBC I amazed how low and vile one network will actually go to divide this nation either by Race or party. If it is not of their view you can be assured this station and their host will make it their mission to wish that you ever thought about disagreeing with them. Very Shameful
I live in Richmond Virginia, where the Tea Party convention included booths selling confederate flags and kkk inspired pins with literature depicting Pres. Obama hanging from a noose- so yes I know first hand the current of racism in the far right of today's republican party. As far as the republican party of Lincoln as noted in rior comments and its historical support of Civil Rights for minorities and Equal rights for Women( Alice Paul was a republican, but she wouldn't be today), all that was pre "The Southern Strategy" which changed everything. It would indeed be wonderful if today's republican party would return to its prior core beliefs
If the bleeding liberals in this poll truly believe conservatives are the new confederacy, then let's be very honest; those same liberals are themselves exactly the same as those anti-Christ communists this nation hates and despises!
It's incredible the level of "historical" ignorance in these posts. Eisenhower (R) was the first to integrate the military and the first to sign the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act, while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
Or Johnson's supposed "public" support in signing the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but behind closed doors... “These Negroes, they’re getting uppity these days. That’s a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we’ve got to do something about this. We’ve got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don’t move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there’ll be no way to stop them. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."
This myth about conservatism has been circulating in academia and the media since the 2004 presidential campaign. It goes something like this: the Republican Party assembled a national majority by winning over Southern white voters; Southern white voters are racist; therefore, the GOP is racist. But the facts, Ken, do not support the liberal theory or the hypothesis. Where were the "enlightened" liberals for the first 100 years?
Fifty years ago, nine black students, escorted by federal troops under the orders of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, integrated Central High School in Little Rock, Ark. The Little Rock Nine have become icons of the modern civil rights movement; President Eisenhower has not. How is it that, at the same time we honor and celebrate the dignity and heroism of the Little Rock Nine, we overlook or - even worse - forget Eisenhower's role in this historic event?
The Republican platform in 1964 was hardly catnip for Klansmen: It spoke of the Johnson administration’s failure to help further the "just aspirations of the minority groups" and blasted the president for his refusal "to apply Republican-initiated retraining programs where most needed, particularly where they could afford new economic opportunities to Negro citizens." Other planks in the platform included: "improvements of civil rights statutes adequate to changing needs of our times; such additional administrative or legislative actions as may be required to end the denial, for whatever unlawful reason, of the right to vote; continued opposition to discrimination based on race, creed, national origin or sex."
Further, the enforcement of affirmative action began with Richard Nixon‘s 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher who became known as "the father of affirmative action") that was merit-based and set the nation‘s first goals and timetables. Nixon was also responsible for the passage of civil rights legislation in the 1970’s. Affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system that even most blacks do not support, affirmative action was pushed by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson kicked almost all blacks out of federal government jobs after he was elected in 1912. Also, while Wilson was president and Congress was controlled by the Democrats, more discriminatory bills were introduced in Congress than ever before in our nation’s history. Nixon enforced the Civil Rights Act and extended the Voting Rights Act. On school desegregation, he supervised a desegregation of Deep South schools that had eluded his predecessors and then denied tax-exempt status to man
This poll just sent me over the edge!! The 73% of you who voted don't know what it really means to be conservative. There is a difference between a Constitutional conservative and a conservative Republican. Conservative and liberal were terms that were chosen because they are polar opposites. A Constitutional conservative believes that the government should have as little involvement in the lives of the people as possible. Look at the Bill of Rights!! These 10 amendments were written to PROTECT the rights of the individual and to LIMIT the involvement the government can have on their lives.
But, as long as we're using the popular usage of the term conservative, just because someone is conservative doesn't necessarily mean that they are white, and therefore, not the new Confederacy!! MSNBC wants to make race the issue, then let them answer this question. If all white people that don't approve of Obama's performance as our President are racist, then what does that make all minorities who didn't approve of Bush's? You can't have it both ways!!!
Hmmm...the way I recall my history class.................The Confederates were Democrats, Lincoln was a Republican, Republicans were for Civil Rights, the Democrats were against it, the KKK was founded by a Confederate general who was a Democrat. You will find biggots on both sides of the isle. There are just as many black biggots as there are white ones. MSNBC is bleeding viewers so bad, and it is propaganda like this that is going to be their downfall.
Looking backward they are the modern Confederacy. Today they are the American Taliban.
If liberals truly desire to equate conservatism with the confederacy, then it is only fair to equate the liberals with the world's anti-Christ, communists.
I am an independent and even I find this offensive! Crap like this is why MSNBC's ratings are in the tank and they are bleeding viewers every day. At least CNN and Fox News have actual NEWS blocks and aren't NEARLY as hate-filled as this ingrate and his "journalist" colleagues at MSNBC. I will continue to alternate CNN and Fox News while NEVER tuning into MSNBC. I just wish that there was a truly neutral news station out there. Partisan finger-pointing by politicians AND the media is responsible for the damn shape this country is in.
Yes !! Anyone willing to SHUT THE GOV'T DOWN , is NOT for this COUNTRY or US99% !! The REPS are the ones WHO Wellcomed the DIXIE CRATS ( Who were WH Suprems ! ) into their Party in the 60's and CHANGED the PEOPLES parties from REPS to the NEW DEMS and BAD DEM'S into TODAYS REP Party !!! This New REP party does Not know HOW to Run the GOV'T !! The Normal REPS who are Middle LT , are Staying QUIET !! And the REPS want to ELECT the CANADIAN BORN CRUZ !!! How UN-AMERICAN !!! The REPS WILL HURT the USA , just to get Back At that BLACK PRESIDENT!!!! WE99% MUST VOTE !!! Every ELECTION !! That is How WE99% Take BACK the USA !!!!
I read with earnestness the comments that are listed above. Why are so many of you afraid to admit that conservatism is the new confederacy? Why are you offended by the poll? Two questions that tell me we are still living in a country that is so divided by race that I wonder if it will ever change. Fear of the unknown has a tendency to do more damage to a group of people who refuses to acknowledge this country is a "melting pot". Divisions in this country comes from the fact the Republican Party has been strong-armed by a group of extremist who believe America belongs to them and their ideologies. If you want to see change in this party, tell your party to speak up against the extremist.
Just a clarification....by "common" white folk, I meant those of us who have to work for a living. The historically wealthy (white) folks never had to care about any of it because they ran the show in the first place.
Definitely. They'll never admit that the reason they hate Obama and don't want people of color and others to advance is because they are black.
Thank you, Cheryl Salerno.
Yes,they are the confederacy, kkk,white supremacy, arain nation all belonging to these hate groups.
Turning their hate on the elderly, disabled, and babies, the mentally challanged.Some party.
Actually, for many, it's the old Confederacy, still pissed over losing "the Wah." There's nothing conservative, in the true sense of the word, about it. They fear the future.
Yes and no. There are many fiscal conservatives who are socially progressive and very concerned about the environment. If you are talking about Tea Party conservatives, I would be more on the yes side, as this group seems to have a visceral hatred of the Federal Government and to carry on a racist tradition that common white folk have espoused for generations, often because their fears have been whipped up and misinformed by industrial/corporate/political interests. The Koch brothers are nothing new. What is so disturbing is the power of the media as a corporate tool that has infused neo-con myths into the DNA of our cherished American beliefs of liberty. It amounts to doublespeak, a dangerous form of mind control.
Why were two of our former presidents (both named Bush) glaringly absent at the MLK 50th anniversary?
The GOP is no longer the Party of Lincoln. It is now the Party of Jefferson Davis.
Conservative Republicans are a bigger threat to our freedom and our country than Al-qaida ever thought to be.
I'm 69, and can remember when the south was Democratic until the Blacks got the right to vote in "65".
Whites in the South became Republican, touting states rights against all Civil Rights issues.
The republicans are the american edition of the taliban - simple as that, however not ALL folks on the right are cut from that cloth, my parents and grandparents weren't like these taliban raging in North Carolina and other states. If i was on the right i would be ashamed at my party's performance and treatment of our current president and by not reigning in the extreme right and work with the president for jobs etc blah! damn it just makes me freaking angry!
It's sad when some people make excuses for the blatant racist behavior that conservatives have shown in their actions, rhetoric, and policies. The quicker we stop making excuses and get out to vote against this type of KKK behavior...the better off we ALL will be on this Earth.
Not just the Confederates - remember, this country was established out of the greed and arrogance of the British Empire. A wave from the future inspired our founding fathers to establish a more perfect union. But the wave of the future has been in constant collision with the entrenched, antiquated worldviews of the past. From time to time, the future has re-ignited the dream in a Lincoln or in women's right to vote or in the Civil Rights Act. But always there is backlash from the past, insisting on its hold on the present. So now in 2008 and 2012, again the future voted and we are seeing it all coming to an ugly head, like a boil on the face of America - the hatred, born out of arrogance, superiority, greed. And what will lance that boil? The future, and it is coming, and coming faster than it ever has. There is no place for hatred, fear, arrogance and greed in the America whose dream is being realized more and more each day.
I find it CRIMINAL that NO former Republican US President (OK, either Bushes, who else?) or any Republican member of Congress was in attendance. No wonder they can't get any support from minorities. Talk is real cheap if your a republican these days.
Conservatives have to be exposed once and for all as the true racist that they are
The conservative overlords are in the process of dividing the country. Wake up its not the pole.
They are speaking words and taking actions that would confirm they are. I will never forget the onslaught of racist anti-Obama comments and dog whistles on Newsvine during the months leading up to the 2008 election. They continued after the election. Not all conservatives spoke that way but I was shocked to see so much racism come out from under the rocks.
Yes they are the new Confederates, and they're going down just like them too.
A poll like this does nothing for bridging the gap between ideologies. This is nothing more than a further attempt to demonize conservatives as racists. Once you label conservatives racists it becomes much easier to discount and/or ignore every message that conservatives have. Is this really the state of our nation? This poll would be just as ignorant if had targeted liberals.
This poll is racist. How dare MSNBC ask such a racist question on the 50th anniversary of MLK's speech?
Consertives, heritage are slave holders nothing has changed in their attidudes and thinking.They still want people to work for nothing or next to nothing even in todays world.
Forget Buckley. Racism is the unmentioned Plank in modern Conservatism.
I can't believe these stupid, offensive polls that you come up with. Talk about trying to divide America. Shameful.