I don't know how convenience is a concern. There are over 400 licensed beer and liquor delivery services in ontario who charge minimal fees ($6+) and most deliveries take less than 30 mins. The company I work for has 16 drivers and 4 dispatchers. We will have to cut back on drivers if the orders stop coming in.
paul march - 10 years ago
Could the Liberal government also put in kiosks where I could cancel gas plants and wipe my hard drive?
Julie - 10 years ago
There's already the Wine Rack in many grocery stores so it would not be much different.
If they do it in a controlled manner it will be OK. For example, the hours for sales of alcoholic beverages should be limited. You can't get it 24 hours/day even if the grocery store is opened 24/7. I also think it should be in a separate section that can be closed off outside of allowed sales hours and only for products of up to a certain % of alcohol. Wine and beer are OK but not anything stronger like spirits. It works in other provinces. They only need to think carefully of HOW they will implement it. There are models around us that are working very well - they shouldn't be afraid to copy what works elsewhere!
Wayne - 10 years ago
I visit Florida, and Quebec regularly. Beer and wine is freely available in grocery stores, and I even see it "on sale", with actual price reductions! It does not change my drinking patterns. What it does, is allow me to pick up what I want, when I want, without having to make a special trip. If you ever want to go to wine heaven, look up Total Wines, next time you are down south. While the government is at it, get rid of inter-provincial, and cross border with the US wine restrictions. 1.5 liters is rediculous for a collector. I have thoroughly explored the Canadian side of Niagara, I want to free explore the northern US. Let my taste buds decide what is best, not artificial market interference, by the cozy relationships between Canadian alcohol sellers, and senior bureaucrats!
willwolf - 10 years ago
@drivesober that's a bunch of horsecrap I've lived all over Canada in provinces like Alberta that have let their control of beer and liquor stores go. It makes for a fairer price. Ontarios monopoly is overpriced. And I've lived here in Toronto for six years now Ontario has more drunk drivers than any other province not because of availability of alcohol but because of ppls general lack of caring
Alcoholic - 10 years ago
@drivesober...Car accidents hurt way more people than alcohol. If I am going to get alcohol on regardless of where it is sold, it might as well be more accessible and prevent me from driving farther to decrease my odds of a car accident. Consumption is not going to increase that much anyway. Alcohol's demand is inelastic. Even if expensive, consumers still pay. Thus, even if far, consumers still drive. Might as well reduce the chances of a car accident that outweighs alcohol related injuries. Think before you speak...arrive alive should be focused on limiting driver's licenses to make more sense of the motto.
Mitchelle D'souza - 10 years ago
This will be great! The service at LCBO is horrible since the employees know its a monopoly. Too bad this won't be available in convenient stores.
Increasing the availability of alcohol (number/density of outlets, hours of service/operation) can result in increased harm. arrive alive DRIVE SOBER strongly suggests that there be a lot of thought and research that goes into this project before and during. Visit our website (www.arrivealive.org) for more information about policies, strategies and resources to keep our roads safest in North America.
I don't know how convenience is a concern. There are over 400 licensed beer and liquor delivery services in ontario who charge minimal fees ($6+) and most deliveries take less than 30 mins. The company I work for has 16 drivers and 4 dispatchers. We will have to cut back on drivers if the orders stop coming in.
Could the Liberal government also put in kiosks where I could cancel gas plants and wipe my hard drive?
There's already the Wine Rack in many grocery stores so it would not be much different.
If they do it in a controlled manner it will be OK. For example, the hours for sales of alcoholic beverages should be limited. You can't get it 24 hours/day even if the grocery store is opened 24/7. I also think it should be in a separate section that can be closed off outside of allowed sales hours and only for products of up to a certain % of alcohol. Wine and beer are OK but not anything stronger like spirits. It works in other provinces. They only need to think carefully of HOW they will implement it. There are models around us that are working very well - they shouldn't be afraid to copy what works elsewhere!
I visit Florida, and Quebec regularly. Beer and wine is freely available in grocery stores, and I even see it "on sale", with actual price reductions! It does not change my drinking patterns. What it does, is allow me to pick up what I want, when I want, without having to make a special trip. If you ever want to go to wine heaven, look up Total Wines, next time you are down south. While the government is at it, get rid of inter-provincial, and cross border with the US wine restrictions. 1.5 liters is rediculous for a collector. I have thoroughly explored the Canadian side of Niagara, I want to free explore the northern US. Let my taste buds decide what is best, not artificial market interference, by the cozy relationships between Canadian alcohol sellers, and senior bureaucrats!
@drivesober that's a bunch of horsecrap I've lived all over Canada in provinces like Alberta that have let their control of beer and liquor stores go. It makes for a fairer price. Ontarios monopoly is overpriced. And I've lived here in Toronto for six years now Ontario has more drunk drivers than any other province not because of availability of alcohol but because of ppls general lack of caring
@drivesober...Car accidents hurt way more people than alcohol. If I am going to get alcohol on regardless of where it is sold, it might as well be more accessible and prevent me from driving farther to decrease my odds of a car accident. Consumption is not going to increase that much anyway. Alcohol's demand is inelastic. Even if expensive, consumers still pay. Thus, even if far, consumers still drive. Might as well reduce the chances of a car accident that outweighs alcohol related injuries. Think before you speak...arrive alive should be focused on limiting driver's licenses to make more sense of the motto.
This will be great! The service at LCBO is horrible since the employees know its a monopoly. Too bad this won't be available in convenient stores.
Increasing the availability of alcohol (number/density of outlets, hours of service/operation) can result in increased harm. arrive alive DRIVE SOBER strongly suggests that there be a lot of thought and research that goes into this project before and during. Visit our website (www.arrivealive.org) for more information about policies, strategies and resources to keep our roads safest in North America.