Why should the employer have to keep coping the the cost of someone else's mistakes. In effect when the customer at a restaurant refuses to pay for an unsatisfactory meal why should the owner then have to pay the employee who produced it. If an employee is not meeting their side of the arrangement they should face the consequence. This is the real world, and I believe this method can only improve quality and standards in all facets of industry provided employers can be trusted to dictate this power.
Dayna - 10 years ago
I'm an employer and it's my firm belief that employers should NOT have the right to dock wages. As an employer you are in a position of power in the first instance, adding in dicking gives you unrealistic access to unrestricted power. There is no way that any employer could justify $100 fine for bring five minutes late, especially not in the restaurant business.
Employees should be suitably trained in the first instance and it is THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EMPLOYER TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAINING ABD ENHANCEMENT ARE ON GOING.
As a business owner you not only take all the risk but all of the rewards. Damages and other employee caused expenses can be writer off as a tax deduction. If an employee is suitable for the role then you have either, the probation period or performance management to legally allow you to fire said staff, so as not to damage your reputation.
If an employee fails to give adequate notice for non-attendance there are lawful disciplinary procedures that you can instigate, plus they would be entitled to payment for that day unless they were sick for example and has followed the company sick reporting procedure,
Also, taking advantage of students, especially migrants, is the lowest of the low. They are often studying/traveling on there own, have little to no support. As a consequence they are much more vunerable and much less likely to know their rights.
This business should be named and shamed-absolutely disgusting and disgraceful!
Kat - 10 years ago
Perfect example of why you can't trust employers to look after workers.
If it's okay to fine workers for this kind of thing, how much is an employee allowed to charge their employer if their employer's mismanagement or lack of profitability causes the employees to lose their livelihood?
Jim gallogley - 10 years ago
$100 for being five minutes late that's one hell of an hourly rate of pay , give me a break this employer should be exposed on national television by the ACTU
I"m curious about the favourite that other 9%percent people agree that employer ok to docket their employees in unlawful ways???
harry - 10 years ago
If an employee misses work without a valid reason dock them but not for trivial reasons like slices of misplaced tomatoes and pork crackle not being crispy enough.some of that could be put down to poor supervision.
Peter hunter - 10 years ago
Absolutely disgusting ..the cafe should be named and shamed.
Lorin Hall - 10 years ago
Anthony, there should be more like you.
Gary Hinton - 10 years ago
Only when the staff deliberately do things that cost the business, but not for this sort of rubbish,
Shona Paolino - 10 years ago
If correct training was carried out on a regular basis employees, more than likely wouldn't be in the position of having their wages docked. If they are late they could be asked to make that time up at the end of a shift. If they don't give enough notice for not attending a shift, three strikes and you are out. Letters of intent are required each time.
wc - 10 years ago
Personally I believe there should be a balance in the system. Yes, it will definitely be discouraging to the staff workers by fining them but it doesn't hurt to give a few chances upfront to right the wrong behaviour/habit/attitude via soft approach upfront. The employer should have a buffer limit to tolerate with poor performances of workers before enforcing the finining rules (to a certain reasonable extend). If it's a small business, the employer simply can't afford to keep losing quality in order to maintain business/income for the family by tolerating with the poor performances of his employee. Therefore, either to go with:
Option 1 - you're fired immediately after working for only 2 months or during probation and not given further chances to correct them after all warnings given.
Option 2 - you're given chances via soft approach upfront before being enforced to pay "reasonable fines" from pay check without being fired (a more permanent job/job security). Of course, you'll be fired subsequently if you're not taking any corrective actions following soft approach upfront as well as being fined further.
Hj - 10 years ago
I personally think it is perfectly ok for employers to fine staff for turning up late or not doing their job properly, but only if the fines are clearly known in advancd and are reasonable. Particularly in a restaurant the staff have the capacity to make or break its reputation by not doing their job properly, which costs the business money.
edward berg - 10 years ago
So somehow its alright for employees to waste hundreds perhaps thousands of good money due to their lack of diligence, responsibility or regard for their job but employers can't do anything about it other than cop it sweet! Just goes to show the system is biased towards low outcomes and poor effeciencies, no wonder this country has a productivity problem.
When I was an apprentice butcher, my arrogant boss used to take $2 of my $80 a week wage if I dropped the stupid hat he used to make us wear.It didn't fit and was like a flat hat that Air Force Airmen wear. He also used to "forget' to pay our super until the tax department would threaten him, so we would lose the best part of two years interest on our money until he was forced to pay it. Now he's a multi millionaire property owner as well as butcher shops. I have 15 employees and a completely different attitude to him, I will never have the money he has but will always have the respect of those that do and who have worked for me
fxh - 10 years ago
I'd like to see newspapers and online sites fine writers for silly articles, plagarised aricles (most), cut and pastes of Press releases and especially anything about cancer cure that refers to an unpublished paper.
Mustafa - 10 years ago
It is unfair to blame employees for any mistakes, it discourages them to perform and effects their loyalty. they are then forced to cheat and start stealing. a better way is to correct their mistakes. encourage them with rewards, even a word of appreciation helps. i am from India and we dont know the legal work rights in Australia, a lot of employers take disadvantage of it and a lot of immigrants/ students or desperate employees are victims of this unfair treatment. i worked at a private Caltex in perth and the owner abused me over the phone when i refused to take a shift because i didnt had any transport back home by the time i finished my shift. he sacked me and charged me $50 for shirt laundry. also deducted few hundred dollars for drive offs. not to forget i worked for free for the first 3 weeks of training for free( i have worked for BP for more than 2.5 yrs before i joined Caltex) i was dissappointed but because my friend (him and his wife also from India) begged me not to mess with him as it will affect them, i didnt do anything.
i am also fighting a discrimination case against a very big world wide non profit organisation at present, hopefully they will learn a lesson and start treating everyone equally,
Why should the employer have to keep coping the the cost of someone else's mistakes. In effect when the customer at a restaurant refuses to pay for an unsatisfactory meal why should the owner then have to pay the employee who produced it. If an employee is not meeting their side of the arrangement they should face the consequence. This is the real world, and I believe this method can only improve quality and standards in all facets of industry provided employers can be trusted to dictate this power.
I'm an employer and it's my firm belief that employers should NOT have the right to dock wages. As an employer you are in a position of power in the first instance, adding in dicking gives you unrealistic access to unrestricted power. There is no way that any employer could justify $100 fine for bring five minutes late, especially not in the restaurant business.
Employees should be suitably trained in the first instance and it is THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EMPLOYER TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAINING ABD ENHANCEMENT ARE ON GOING.
As a business owner you not only take all the risk but all of the rewards. Damages and other employee caused expenses can be writer off as a tax deduction. If an employee is suitable for the role then you have either, the probation period or performance management to legally allow you to fire said staff, so as not to damage your reputation.
If an employee fails to give adequate notice for non-attendance there are lawful disciplinary procedures that you can instigate, plus they would be entitled to payment for that day unless they were sick for example and has followed the company sick reporting procedure,
Also, taking advantage of students, especially migrants, is the lowest of the low. They are often studying/traveling on there own, have little to no support. As a consequence they are much more vunerable and much less likely to know their rights.
This business should be named and shamed-absolutely disgusting and disgraceful!
Perfect example of why you can't trust employers to look after workers.
If it's okay to fine workers for this kind of thing, how much is an employee allowed to charge their employer if their employer's mismanagement or lack of profitability causes the employees to lose their livelihood?
$100 for being five minutes late that's one hell of an hourly rate of pay , give me a break this employer should be exposed on national television by the ACTU
I"m curious about the favourite that other 9%percent people agree that employer ok to docket their employees in unlawful ways???
If an employee misses work without a valid reason dock them but not for trivial reasons like slices of misplaced tomatoes and pork crackle not being crispy enough.some of that could be put down to poor supervision.
Absolutely disgusting ..the cafe should be named and shamed.
Anthony, there should be more like you.
Only when the staff deliberately do things that cost the business, but not for this sort of rubbish,
If correct training was carried out on a regular basis employees, more than likely wouldn't be in the position of having their wages docked. If they are late they could be asked to make that time up at the end of a shift. If they don't give enough notice for not attending a shift, three strikes and you are out. Letters of intent are required each time.
Personally I believe there should be a balance in the system. Yes, it will definitely be discouraging to the staff workers by fining them but it doesn't hurt to give a few chances upfront to right the wrong behaviour/habit/attitude via soft approach upfront. The employer should have a buffer limit to tolerate with poor performances of workers before enforcing the finining rules (to a certain reasonable extend). If it's a small business, the employer simply can't afford to keep losing quality in order to maintain business/income for the family by tolerating with the poor performances of his employee. Therefore, either to go with:
Option 1 - you're fired immediately after working for only 2 months or during probation and not given further chances to correct them after all warnings given.
Option 2 - you're given chances via soft approach upfront before being enforced to pay "reasonable fines" from pay check without being fired (a more permanent job/job security). Of course, you'll be fired subsequently if you're not taking any corrective actions following soft approach upfront as well as being fined further.
I personally think it is perfectly ok for employers to fine staff for turning up late or not doing their job properly, but only if the fines are clearly known in advancd and are reasonable. Particularly in a restaurant the staff have the capacity to make or break its reputation by not doing their job properly, which costs the business money.
So somehow its alright for employees to waste hundreds perhaps thousands of good money due to their lack of diligence, responsibility or regard for their job but employers can't do anything about it other than cop it sweet! Just goes to show the system is biased towards low outcomes and poor effeciencies, no wonder this country has a productivity problem.
When I was an apprentice butcher, my arrogant boss used to take $2 of my $80 a week wage if I dropped the stupid hat he used to make us wear.It didn't fit and was like a flat hat that Air Force Airmen wear. He also used to "forget' to pay our super until the tax department would threaten him, so we would lose the best part of two years interest on our money until he was forced to pay it. Now he's a multi millionaire property owner as well as butcher shops. I have 15 employees and a completely different attitude to him, I will never have the money he has but will always have the respect of those that do and who have worked for me
I'd like to see newspapers and online sites fine writers for silly articles, plagarised aricles (most), cut and pastes of Press releases and especially anything about cancer cure that refers to an unpublished paper.
It is unfair to blame employees for any mistakes, it discourages them to perform and effects their loyalty. they are then forced to cheat and start stealing. a better way is to correct their mistakes. encourage them with rewards, even a word of appreciation helps. i am from India and we dont know the legal work rights in Australia, a lot of employers take disadvantage of it and a lot of immigrants/ students or desperate employees are victims of this unfair treatment. i worked at a private Caltex in perth and the owner abused me over the phone when i refused to take a shift because i didnt had any transport back home by the time i finished my shift. he sacked me and charged me $50 for shirt laundry. also deducted few hundred dollars for drive offs. not to forget i worked for free for the first 3 weeks of training for free( i have worked for BP for more than 2.5 yrs before i joined Caltex) i was dissappointed but because my friend (him and his wife also from India) begged me not to mess with him as it will affect them, i didnt do anything.
i am also fighting a discrimination case against a very big world wide non profit organisation at present, hopefully they will learn a lesson and start treating everyone equally,