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Another joke vote by the internet generation. One album blackstarr beats EPMD and Public Enemy
There is no way black Starr should have survived the first round. PE's music was for that time and is hard to relate too today. The people that vote black starr just weren't around to feel those bangers.
The opening 3 minutes of this video alone should have cemented a Final Four spot for P.E. #SMH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_miJvCSrNM
This is a fucking travesty
Yea even though im too young to remember Public enemy like that I still would pick Then over blackstar and im 21! Lol. As far as lyrics go blackstar blows PE out the water, but like many have said in these comments blackstar just doesn't have the same impact that PE has.... Hell blackstar would vote public enemy!
i see what's happened here, Grantland have managed to track down the only 13538 people on the planet that think Black Star is better than Public Enemy, and got them all to vote
dang what
This contest is invalidated because of this result. The voters are clearly not qualified to decide this matter.
Who the hell thought this was a good idea to vote for Black Star over Public Enemy. Absolutely ridiculous. Black Star has one good album definitely not a classic. PE has the longevity, the cultural influence, the political influence, At least 3 classic albums. Someone needs to have their brains checked for this one.
the fact that Black Star beat Public Enemy is ridiculous. I'd be more annoyed if i thought either of them actually had a chance to beat Wu Tang
We get it. You like BlackStar.
Mos and Kweli would vote for Public Enemy
Black Star! Best alliance in hip-hop, Y-O!
Sorry, RL, but "a person in his 30s" is a youngster.
BILL HANK GOT IT RIGHT
"fuck outta here with this shit! The word "group"....yo FIRST of all, Organized Konfusion output shits on Black Star, let me get that off my chest."
What does it say that P.E.'s stuff is almost 30 years old, but would be right in touch with everything that is happening in Ferguson, MO today? Black Star is fine, but they just didn't have the cultural impact that P.E. did. Or have a DJ named Terminator X... or have the original and best hype man in rap history...
I listened to the Black Star album before commenting.. I'd listen to that 100x before any of the Wu-Tang I also listened to. But it's just not better than Public Enemy.
Good luck to Black Star in the next round. (I think they'll need it because ATCQ looks like a semi-finalist to me.)
This isn't the Rock 'n' Roll hall of fame, this isn't Rolling Stone magazine and this isn't a poll trying to find the hip hop group apex of influence and impact. These are internet polls for a basketball podcast where people will likely vote off the cuff based on what they enjoy. I think it's completely reasonable that a person in his 30s or older would simply enjoy Black Star and cast a vote on that basis. I know, because I'm one of those people. On a day to day basis I find Black Star more enjoyable than Public Enemy even if there is only roughly 25 easily accessible songs out there by Black Star. It's not a diss, it's like saying I enjoy watching Jamal Crawford break ankles more than I enjoy watching Tim Duncan be the big fundamental.
Older folks know what Public Enemy means in the hip hop world. Look at the comments below; Public Enemy is a greater artist than Black Star. Public Enemy is in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Public Enemy was ranked #44 on Rolling Stones' Immortals: Greatest Artists of All Time.
Who else can ignore all that history BUT youngsters, who have none.
Who says it's only young people voting for Black Star? lol I don't see a demographics survey attached to this.
Yes, the youngsters are voting for the one-off collaboration album because it's one of their favorites; it is the bomb and so is Mos Def and Talib. I don't even think they are making a comparison between two groups; they just like them some Black Star.
Career-wise, there's no way Black Star should've beat EPMD. Likewise, there is no way Black Star's one album comes anywhere near close to the accomplishments of Public Enemy and the Bomb Squad.
Hell, I don't even think Black Star should be in this competition at all, quiet as kept. Two solo artists that hooked up briefly for an album and then collaborated on a few more recent tunes doesn't quite seem like a group to me. Especially when they apparently decided not to include "solo" artists , like Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Kurtis Blow, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Too Short, Biggie, Tupac, Schoolly D, Afrika Bambaataa, The D.O.C., Kool G Rap, DJ Kool Herc, Kanye, or KRS-One, to name a few. No females either.
The final four, if based on career should come down to
Wu-Tang
NWA
Public Enemy
Run-DMC
I suspect its going to be more like
Wu-Tang
NWA
Black Star
Outkast
Anyway, I'm probably taking this whole thing too seriously. Long live PE!
Look, I loooove Public Enemy. Chuck D has the most authoritarian voice of all time. You can't help but sense the urgency in his lyrics. Bomb Squad production=fantastic fury. But the truth is people are voting based on Chuck D&Flav vs. Mos and Talib. The end. It's a younger audience. And how are people supposed to not vote on solo members output. You cant help but let it influence you. Not to mention the fact that PE albums were down right scary. Blackstar(and solo work) give off a happier, soulful vibe. Can't argue with culture. The real travesty here was the DeLa loss.
Finally got around to voting round 2. Can't believe this one is so close. Black Star is great but clearly too many youngsters here. It's already been said a bunch but just to reiterate, one album. Seriously people. There is no way that Black Star tops PE. Just no way. PE influenced a generation and IMO dukes it out with Run DMC for the #1 overall. Fight the Power. Enough said.
Wow... BlackStar with the comeback! So...I don't get it. If BlackStar just went up a few hundred right when PE did - who "hacked" who? Again, I bet this just got out on some hip hop forums.
Wow, can't believe somebody felt the need to hack the voting for this matchup. Why do people have to ruin everything...
I bet this caught fire on Reddit or some other forum. Anyone see anything out there? This numbers on this poll are way outside the norm when compared to the others... like 1000+ more votes here then the next highest.
Yea... That was hacked. 500 votes came out of no where. :-( Jalen & Jacoby should've shut this down before it became so heated that it came down to hacking. Very unfortunate, I'm a little concerned for the rest of this bracket.
Well, this bracket thing was fun for a bit. People are lame and ruin everything. I could be wrong but PE just got over 500 votes in a couple mins. I love both PE and BS and was excited to see how this finished. Shame on you whoever rigged this.
Sounds like fear of a black[star] planet to me.
Hahahaha wow I hope Jacoby and JR are smart enough to realize that some sad PE fan learned to cheat the vote. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Public Enemy jumped a lot of votes in a short period of time. Seems suspicious to me. Guess all the Black Star haters did something.
Whoa! Public Enemy jumped about 400 votes in the last 15 minutes or so.
Let me tell you the story of Right Hand, Left Hand. It's a tale of good and evil. Hate: it was with this hand that Cane iced his brother. Love: these five fingers, they go straight to the soul of man. The right hand: the hand of love. The story of life is this: static. One hand is always fighting the other hand, and the left hand is kicking much ass. I mean, it looks like the right hand, Love, is finished. But hold on, stop the presses, the right hand is coming back. Yeah, he got the left hand on the ropes, now, that's right. Ooh, it's a devastating right and Hate is hurt, he's down. Left-Hand Hate KOed by Love.
I wish I spit like Kweli!
Public Enemy is gonna lose to A Tribe Called Quest for sure
damn! in the final hours the p.e. fans finally showed up. surprised in a good way to see this vote turn the way it did.
Wow!
fuck outta here with this shit! The word "group"....yo FIRST of all, Organized Konfusion output shits on Black Star, let me get that off my chest.
Public Enemy is the single most important hip hop group of all time. You have to take it from the production angle, the lyrical angle (and for those lyrical miracle SUCKERS out there, Chuck D has probably the most powerful lyrics of any rapper to write a rhyme), the sheer cultural impact, the lack of any fucks given, the movement that continues until this day despite however many attempts to marginalize it...not to mention the albums and the longevity. You can be no more hip hop than Chuck, Flav, and the Bomb Squad.
This is one of those out of context votes. Kids voting for Black Star need to realize that Public Enemy completely changed the face of the game and paved the way for politicization and experimentation in hip hop and music in general. They were bigger than their label's attempts to hold them back. They made squares feel fear and frightened the status quo. They changed the dialogue worldwide about the power of this music and culture that was still, at the time, not even 10 years old. There was no space for it. They didn't just make a lane, they blew a gaping hole in the establishment. The rewrote every single rule of how the music could be made and how it was supposed to sound. Public Enemy begat so many things...start with NWA and east coast hardcore rap music and expand ever outward.
I love the Black Star album. But at its best, its a classic record by two gifted and talented MCs. ONE record, with minimal impact outside of those that chose to listen because they knew where to look. Public Enemy changed the landscape of popular music and hip hop and drew the attention of society to the issues plaguing the inner cities of America by sheer force of will. They forced the world to watch. They made little Jimmy Smith from Crested Oak Drive buy a sub and a tape deck and rock a black shirt with a crosshair on it and scare the fuck out of his parents, and his friends followed suit. They had real POWER. They made America look itself in the mirror and find disgust in what it saw. And you could get the fuck down to the shit.
This shouldn't be close.
I got a letter from the government the other day.
I opened and read it, it said vote for Black Star.
This is a sad day for Hip Hop when the most influential and impact full group of all time loses to a one album rap group. Love black star but, HE'LL NO!!!!!!
Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) is reporting his sources indicate all Public Enemy votes are coming out of convalescent homes and shuffleboard conventions.
I guess that's what it takes for Public Enemy to compete with a 4 seed with one album. Public Enemy is overrated, just accept it.
If you voted for Black Star or are attempting to explain/rationalize their inexplicable victory in this poll, your only excuse is age. Anyone who knows anything about hip hop or music history wouldn't put Black Star in the same sentence as Public Enemy, much less vote for them as "greater than..."
1)no Scottie, no rings for mike, rite? (so how about the no PE POSSE, no Black star..?)
2.) bomb squad>hi Tec>terminatorX ("who mainly only speaks w his hands, know what I'm sayin?"
3.)EF that 'nah get fired," ISHT, I'm hoping u don't loose y'alls listeners over this one, boyeee!
blasphemous!
Blackstar taking out EPMD and PE?!
Off one album? GTFOH
this whole list is on some halfway fugazi...
Love this poll. Been binging on Black Star the past couple of days. Great stuff.
Some people seem really disappointed, but this is a web poll which boils down to audience popularity on a basketball podcast. This isn't the definitive source for quality and influence in the context of hip hop history. lol
Sometimes less is more. "Best alliance in Hip Hop, Y..O, O!"
People saying that PE didn't age well are flat wrong. Fear of a Black Planet and It Takes a Nation sound as good today as they did 25 years ago. If your argument is that Black Star sounds newer...well no kidding, that album is a decade newer. But there's not a single reputable list of best rap albums that has It Takes a Nation ranked lower than Black Star.
I love me some Black Star , Mighty Mos Def, Talib Kweli with Hi Tek on the boards. Both truly gifted MC's I have all there joints and play them regularly. But peoples they shouldn't be in the conversation as best group against Public Enemy ...am sorry it doesn't come close . One dope album against arguably one of the best hip hop albums ever in It Takes A Millions To Hold Us Back....come on folks are we still discussing this for real ... PE only real competition are NWA & The Wu depending on age . Am 42 so PE were a huge influence on me as a person cos even though I live in England !!!!! .
I want to make this crystal clear I love Black Star as a group but 1 album against several albums that were groundbreaking, revolutionary ,inspirational . They moved the culture 10×fold and inspired a generation . Maybe am
Are PE too black to get the white votes? That's the only way they could lose to a group with one album. Fcuking ridiculous!!!
On the real tho, PE may be extremely influential but they haven't aged well at all. If it wasn't Blackstar that upset them, it was gonna be some one else. This tournament is coming down to Wu-Tang and Outkast.
Black Star stealing this one like Theives In The Night. Fix up look sharp.
It would be a travesty if PE loses in this round.
PUBLIC ENEMY!!!
Are you kidding me right now? Why is this even close?
How does this discography:
1987: Yo! Bum Rush the Show
1988: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
1990: Fear of a Black Planet
1991: Apocalypse 91... The Enemy Strikes Black
1992: Greatest Misses
1994: Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age
1998: He Got Game
1999: There's a Poison Goin' On
2002: Revolverlution
2005: New Whirl Odor
2006: Rebirth of a Nation (with Paris)
2007: How You Sell Soul to a Soulless People Who Sold Their Soul?
2012: Most of My Heroes Still Don't Appear on No Stamp
2012: The Evil Empire of Everything
lose out to this:
1998: Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
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The thing is... Black Star sounds FRESH even now, in 2014. I'm having difficulty listening to old PE records... And the new ones are meh..
i like black star as much as the next dude but we're talking about public enemy here. it shouldn't even be a question of them winning but by how much. pe's influence is too much and the fact that black star only put out one album shouldn't be enough for them to pull the upset. pe has at least 3 classic albums vs black star with one great album. so why is pe still losing? i don't get it.
Look I love Def and Talib just as much as the next guy. But they only have one album, even tho it was great music. PE changed the game! They were one (if not the first) socially conscience and political rap groups ever. It's gotta go to PE
PE changed my life forever. That music beats in my veins.
Don't forget to look up the Bomb Squad if you don't know how seminal the production was on those prime P.E. album's from the 80's to mid 90's, they are crucial element to the group. How about the SW1's and Griff? The choreographed stage shows, and their astounding live performance reputation smashes this battle for the Legendary Public Enemy.
Redman and Methodman weren't allowed in the bracket because they didn't do enough together. Sheeeeeet, they have 2 LP's at least. Don't get me wrong I love Mos and Talib, that (single) Black Star album is a classic, but they only put out one together. They shouldn't even be in the competition.
Don't even get me started on De La being a 4 seed either....
Yeah I love Black Star too but c'mon P.E. 'Fight the Power!!!' There are true legends of the hip-hop game! No one took on social issues like Public Enemy did when they came out! On top of that, Mr. Chuck D follows me on Twitter so I gotta show them the love!!!
How is this even a contest black star was a good group but PE was a group and a movement and made music that put their lives at risk not just talk
hardest fuckin choice i ever had to make in life!
Pe can't lose this one......smh fingers crossed
Mos def and talib qweli are top tier individual lyrisist and yes if chuck d had to battle them he would lose but you gotta understand its bigger than that pe shaped an entire generation of people to believe in themselves and to learn knowledge of self and for those who are deep into this like I am you know that the "powrs that be" conspired to take them down because of what they stood for they raised the vibration of the art form...its no coincidence that nwa came out when they did(no disrespect) as good a lyrisists black star are I don't think they achieved that and musically pe are the definition of what hip hop is suppose to be not sound like but be like I thing black star would agree with me the younger generation doesn't know but at one time pe was hip hop I don't think black star accomplished that the only reason they are not number one in my eyes its because the wu incooperated more kos ........wu tang forever
PE can't go out like this. What is wrong with all you youngsters? Much luv to Mos Def/Yasiin and Twalib but PE and the Bomb Squad blow Black Star and their ONE album away, real good. Y'all gon make me get on my bike (I need the exercise) and ride to every public library in Chicago to submit more votes for PE.
I can't believe PE is losing this. This is so wrong!
Don't disrespect the culture. Vote for PE.
PE is supposed to win this whole thing...they can't go down now. Especially not to Black Star, no offense to Black Star.
You can compile two songs from the first 5 PE albums that would blow the sole Black Star album out of the water.
None of it matters anyway.. Wu is going to win.
911 is a joke is a hood classic and it made a great point- this is crazy and someone above mentioned them with atcq - tribe has 3 verified classics - don't ever mention them with tip Phife or Ali - scenario / scenario remix over black Starr catalog solo and group
I have always felt after the original fathers of Hip Hop- Run Dmc , LL and PE are untouchable - they were the bboy group, the solo star and the voice of our people. Your favorite rappers favorite rappers on the low tho
Seriously people
I got a letter from the government
None of my heroes don't appear on no stamp
And the Og hype man of all time / I think Rosenberg got y'all sniffing
PE all day not even a competition
I dubbed Miuzi Weighs A Ton, and It Takes a Nation of Millions... in like1987(?) off my uncle Junior when they first came out. I bought my own tape, Fear of a Black Planet, when tapes were like $10.02 after tax, you couldn't even get two tapes for a $20. For you old-heads out there 'Peaches', the record store, is all I had near me before I could drive, so price gouging at its finest, I guess. I bumped Black Star very loud in my ride and never could think why another group album never came out...Love Talib and Mos, but PE is me because it caused a hip hop explosion in a way for me.
how is black star even considered this good? i think people are judging some of these groups based on the output of the members as solo artists. using that logic, kmd should be a 2 seed based on what mf doom has done.
even Mos Def and Talib Kweli are embarrassed that this is a close contest.
Black Star is too good to lose
wow black star can actually make the final 4 amazing
Mos Def babyy
HOW IS IT THIS CLOSE C'MON PEOPLE. Love Mos and Talib, but this is absurd. It Takes a Nation and Fear of a Black Planet are a couple of the best albums of all time.
Mos and Talib are great MC's but they havent had the impact that PE has.
Apocalypse 91... The Enemy Strikes Black
Show some respect to P.E. Without them there would be no Black Star. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse 91: The Enemy Strikes Back, versus Black Star's one album? There should be no contest.
Love Black Star but go home already.
PE would only lose due to the generational gap. The people that like Blackstar over PE were not born until after the 2000.
I love Blackstar. However, PE had so much impact. This shouldn't be close. If you ask mos and talieb, they would ask what was y'all smoking.
If Blackstar loses this round I'm done with this bracket. Lyrically they're head and shoulders above every group on here besides maybe Tribe, Outkast, and Wu Tang.
Black Star have to be the #1 'sleeper' if you can even call them that. I'm not sure when I'll be able to 'not' vote for them lols.
Black Star was a PROJECT. They had ONE album! Public Enemy's influence is leaps and bounds ahead of Black Star's!! I'm not hating on Black Star because I loved their album but this is asinine, people...
Louder than a Bomb and Takes a Nation of Millions is PhD. material.
I wouldn't be mad if Black Star won this actually... I got an immense amount of love and respect for PE for what they did for hip hop and what they stood for, but their music after A Nation Of Millions... just wasn't AS GOOD as anything Black Star was putting out later. Black Star took what PE was doing and speaking on and just made it SOUND better, musically and lyrically.
Just cause you were the first to do something, doesn't mean you did it best.