How Open Would You Be To Pony Sunset Shimmer Joining the Mane Cast in Season 5?

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  • One Radical Dude - 9 years ago

    If EG is canon to FIM, then it's completely the opposite of what Meghan McCarthy stated when the first EG film got released. Am I wrong? I prefer them to be separate, but maybe that's just my view.

  • Millennial Dan - 9 years ago

    I really would like to see Sunset return to her homeworld. Equestria Girls IS canon to the show, like it or not, and it would only make sense.

  • Pelennor - 9 years ago

    I don't like the idea.
    EG has never been considered canon, and bringing her back into Equestria raises a lot of the issues that were brushed off when EG was released.
    Besides, we have the Mane 6, and that's honestly plenty of main characters...

  • One Radical Dude - 9 years ago

    Yeah, I'm gonna have to say "no." Not a big EG fan, and I'm not sure adding another main character to the existing main seven would be a positive change for the show.

  • Mojo - 9 years ago

    Well after reading today's comic I kinda wish I could change my vote, cause her "friends" are apparently all awful, disloyal people.

  • Mojo - 9 years ago

    I voted Other, Sunset's actually one of my favorite characters, I like her more than some of the main 6 and I would LOVE to see her in a few episodes and there is pretty much nothing I want more from the series than a Sunset/Celestia reconciliation thing. But I wouldn't want her as a full time main cast member cause I feel she found her place, and that place is in the human world with her first friends, who are the people who love her most now.

  • Gokudomatic - 9 years ago

    I see no point either to break the mane 6 by adding characters. Side characters like the CMC could handle lot of screen time very well without being added to the mane 6.

  • Thaecrasis - 9 years ago

    I wouldn't want to see her in the pony mane 6. Personally I still don't trust her even though she was fairly nice in the last movie; after all, she was evil even before she got her hands on the element of magic. She might have had the ability to change into a demon removed from her with the elements of harmony, but she's still the same person underneath.

  • Mu Nova - 9 years ago

    I second "elevated side character" or some such. If, hypothetically, she were to make it into the show proper at all, it wouldn't go further than that, anyway.

    I like EqG and FiM to stay separate, but Sunset Shimmer is the one thing I would like. I would like that a lot.

  • mysterywoman020 - 9 years ago

    I would not object to seeing her back in Equestria, just not a part of the mane 6. Kind of more an elevated side character.

  • Gallade - 9 years ago

    Everyone is going to probably burn me for this, but I don't want her to join the Mane 6. We should just stick to the original 6.

  • Medicine Cat - 9 years ago

    I don't like it. My personal preference is to keep the show completely free of Equestria Girl references and influence. EG is from it's inception first and foremost just such a naked toy marketing campaign that I simply can't embrace it. If it has to be out there, I'd rather it live in a completely separate universe.

  • Badly Drawn Turtle - 9 years ago

    @rusticware
    You're right, I misremembered. EQD was never hostile toward the movie. Just sad people like you. A good portion of my original comment still stands, though, specifically this: ‘When the first movie came out, general consensus was that, while it wasn't a blockbuster by any stretch, it /wasn't that bad/. Certainly not bad enough to keep attacking it as if it were a cancerous growth on the franchise.’ Back to that in a moment. First:
    “...[EQD was] telling people to "give it a chance" and that it would be "hypocritical" of them to judge EQG not to mention a confirmation bias rant in the guise of a "review" that was nothing more then a page long admonishing of the IP's doubters by the staff who had done EVERYTHING in their power to convince site visitors that EQG was the next best thing since sliced bread.”
    If we're going to quibble over argument tactics, I would point out that you are using “quotation marks” far too often for other people to take you seriously. Beyond that, this reads very much like you /didn't/ “give it a chance”, and that you /are/ being “hypocritical”. Prove me wrong. Tell me you actually watched the movies with an open mind. This means that you didn't go in with the attitude to sit down with a pen and paper to write down everything that you found despicable. And you also, again, seem to be under the impression that EGD's staff was intentionally persecuting you. There is no other way to interpret a review being called a biased rant (which, by the way, is an apt description of what you are currently doing). Has it not even occurred to you that that review may have been… a review? Like, someone looking at the material and talking about it, without trying to put some imaginary agenda behind their writing?

    As for the ratings of the first movie, there are two points to be made. A: it got a generally positive reception from those who actually watched the movie. Yes, you have to watch a movie for your opinion to count; tough beans. Any vitriolic haters were either people who didn't watch it, or in the severe minority of those who did. But everyone knows that haters are loudest, which is why it seemed like you had a large base of support for your opinion. As for reviewers; they're always negative. That's how YouTube reviews (and for that matter, YouTube comments) work.
    Now for B: Get it into your head. Saying it was an okay movie neither means that it was ‘praised’ as you claim, nor that anyone was ‘proud’ of it. Average doesn't mean excellent any more than it means terrible. But that's your main problem, here, isn't it? You basically came out and said it in your last comment: You think that something that is average should be treated as terrible, rather than, say, /average/.

    Now we go back to the part of my comment that I reposted, and I shall repost the most important section again: ‘Certainly not bad enough to keep attacking it as if it were a cancerous growth on the franchise.’ What about this don't you get? Why are you treating it like a 1/10 when it should be treated, as your imaginary reviewer put it, as a 4/10? Why do you feel the need to get all worked up about it? And most of all, why do you seem to think that, because the first movie wasn't fantastic, the entire EQG franchise is doomed, and will never have any redeeming qualities?

    As a side note, I've grown used to only the most immature commenters pulling the Autistic card. I'm not surprised that you did it.

    To finish it off, you seem inconsistent. If EQD was always in support of EQG as you claim, then why did you, in the first comment I replied to, accuse them of going back on their word of being okay as long as EQG wasn't considered canon? This seems rather inconsistent. They were either in favor of EQG, or hostile to it to the point of not wanting it to be canon. This was likely the seed of my confusion in my last post; the one that you labelled as full of straw men.

  • rusticware - 9 years ago

    @Badly Drawn Turtle You strawman way to damn much to take seriously. No where in my original comment did i make any statements about anyone being able to change their minds, projection much? And also NO you're completely wrong about EQD being less then positive. That was Seth saying he didnt much care for the idea. SETH =/= the entirety of EQD staff. If you recall (or maybe you dont, im not sure how long you've been coming to EQD) but there was plenty of editorials from staff members decrying the outrage, telling people to "give it a chance" and that it would be "hypocritical" of them to judge EQG not to mention a confirmation bias rant in the guise of a "review" that was nothing more then a page long admonishing of the IP's doubters by the staff who had done EVERYTHING in their power to convince site visitors that EQG was the next best thing since sliced bread.

    The general consensus of it being "not that bad" is also off base. The movie came out and it was more so a 50/50 split. I saw as many hateful comments regarding it when it premiered here and on YT as i did zealous defenders that it was the "best thing ever". The review and analyst community also tore into it for the most part, those that "praised it" still only gave it average ratings citing the fan shoutouts as the main thing from the movie they enjoyed (which is sad when you think that as a new IP EQG's foremost mission was that it was supposed to tell a cohesive story, build a new world, and introduce new likeable characters for fans to enjoy).

    Also saying something is "not that bad" shouldnt be an automatic pass for something either. "Oh joy! I thought it was gonna be complete shit! Turns out instead of being a 1/10 it was a 4/10! Guess it 'wasnt that bad' huehuehue!" Give me a break! This kind of excuse has been the modus operandi of the fandom since season 3's finale and its got to stop. Being proud that something was only bad or meh instead of being a complete and utter disaster, as if its a shining example of quality, has got to be the most pants on head autistic reasoning I have ever seen in any fandom ever.

  • darth pinkie - 9 years ago

    I think she should stay part of the EQG main six. However I would love to see sunset shimmer come back and visit Equestria for an episode or two

  • GabuEx - 9 years ago

    Sunset Shimmer was the best part of Rainbow Rocks, so I totally want to see more of her. :)

  • Yotes - 9 years ago

    Suggestion:
    Stop putting our Twi in EQG and make Sunset the main character in the movies. We already have the Twi from post-credits so we don't need ours written in for toys.

  • BenHead - 9 years ago

    Other: like some others here have said, I'd love to have Sunset Shimmer as a recurring character, but I'm just not interested in any changes to the mane six lineup. But Sunset *is* a great character, and her pony design is awesome, so I'd love to see her back in Equestria every now and then.

  • Icy Shield - 9 years ago

    The results made me dissapointed and sad. I'm really strungling with love and tolerate EqG, but when peoples so openly suggest make EqG even more "canon" than it should be, I start losing my mind of anger...
    EqG and Mlp should stay seperate. I remember the quote: Equestria Girls would not effect the MLP FiM series, but I'm starting to doubt their promises.

  • Badly Drawn Turtle - 9 years ago

    @rusticware
    First off, what do you think these polls are for, if not to drive site traffic and encourage discussion? I'll give you a hint: That's sort of the point.
    Secondly, EQD stance on EQG was hostile back when it was first announced. Hostile = bad in my book, and probably most people's here, when we're talking about the official-ish position of a large website. When the first movie came out, general consensus was that, while it wasn't a blockbuster by any stretch, it /wasn't that bad/. Certainly not bad enough to keep attacking it as if it were a cancerous growth on the franchise. The short answer is; the EQD staff changed their minds. “Oh, the horror! People aren't allowed to change their minds, especially if they used to share my hatred but don't anymore! They must have never agreed, and simply pretended so that they could spite me later!” This is what you sound like, as well as all of the other people who think EQG should be burned at the stake.

    Oh, by the way: Flash Sentry appeared in ‘Three's a Crowd’ anyway. There's no way around it; it's canon.

  • rusticware - 9 years ago

    Seriously sometimes I cant help but wonder if Equestria Daily doesn't create these polls on purpose to create controversy within the fandom to drive visits and discussion to their site during the hiatus, that or to give Hasbro mind numbingly stupid ideas to think about in their down time. And to think way back when there was a little ole movie by the name of Equestria Girls and some fans decried it as a horrible mistake. "But DONT worry!" ED exclaimed! "It's not like EQG is canon or anything!" As if this was a reason to give EQG a pass. "Well if you don't like it you can ignore it cause its not part of the same universe as pony!" Well I'm sorry I missed the point where PUTTING Sunset Shimmer in that universe would keep that line of thought true....Tell me has ED's staff always been this disingenuous regarding their stance on the Equestria Girls franchise and its future or did they suddenly forget their long term held belief that as long as the two remained separate things were "OK" smh

  • Paradoxical - 9 years ago

    Who is taking these polls?

    It would be bad for FIM and DISASTEROUS for EQG

  • ChiraChan - 9 years ago

    I actually prefer Sunset's human design. Seeing her back as a pony would be kinda weird, especially since last time we've seen her as a pony was when she was still evil. Hard to imagine her as a nice pony. Though I suppose I'd get used to it soon, just I got used to her being a nice human in Rainbow Rocks.

  • RagingSheDemon - 9 years ago

    Sunset Shimmer is best human so having her in the main show will make her best pony in my eyes so YESH!

  • LurkyMcLurkerson - 9 years ago

    Yes, especially if it means we never visit the 'human' world or refer to it in any way shape or form again ever.

    The only way this could possibly be a bad thing would be if Trixie returns to Ponyville for Round Three with Twilight, declaring "One shall stand. One shall fall." resulting in a dieing Twilight passing the Equestrian Tiara of Leadership to Sunset.

    *Realizes FiM has a movie coming in 2017... And that Hasbro has hurt me before...*

    *Freaks out slightly*

  • Discord Sparkle - 9 years ago

    I really don't like the way Sunset Shimmer was essentially brainwashed into being good. Her joining the mane cast would just be awful

  • RK - 9 years ago

    An interesting dilemma. While Sunset Shimmer is easily my favorite character right now and having her appear in the main show would be an excuse to have more of her, she belongs in the EQG universe. The mane six have a beautiful dynamic already because each of them is each other's counterpart to some degree (substitute Twilight with Sunset at your leisure), so raising it to seven would mess with that a little bit. Plus, what would happen to the rest of the humane five?
    I wouldn't object to having more Equestria Girls because of Sunset Shimmer, but as far as bringing her to Equestria to join the mane cast I don't think that would be a good idea.

  • MaryJane - 9 years ago

    I'm conflicted. On one hand, Sunset Shimmer is now considered canon.

    But on the other hand, that means all of EqG would be canon - including Brad.

  • Just an Annon - 9 years ago

    An earlier me would be iffier on the subject, but after the second movie, I'd take it!

  • oddoneout - 9 years ago

    I really like Shimsham, and I'm down for her to visit, but I think she should stay in Equestria Girls

  • Coldlight-san - 9 years ago

    Yes, bring her in. Element - redemption or reconciliation.

  • Moonlight Avenger - 9 years ago

    I'm okay with this. As long as she is a pony

  • Badly Drawn Turtle - 9 years ago

    @Bobby WIlson
    Normally I just ignore trolls. But I find your posts amusingly pitiful. It speaks of your mental age that not only are you trolling, but you're trolling /badly/. If you're going to keep doing it, you could at least put some effort into it.

  • Zobeid Zuma - 9 years ago

    Who is this "Sunset Shimmer"? I don't recall seeing him/her/it in the TV show or the comics at all.

    Yes, I'm being disingenuous. Sorry about that, but... Some of us have zero interest in Equestria Girls and would prefer that FiM not be (further) contaminated by it.

  • Bobby Wilson - 9 years ago

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    poo shit

  • OneOverTwo - 9 years ago

    Sunset Shimmer visiting Equestria is an alright idea, but she shouldn't join the Mane cast because all of her friends live in the human world. Recurring character maybe, but not a main character.

  • Choper - 9 years ago

    What the B*ck is a "sunset shimmer"?!

  • Heather Trails - 9 years ago

    [Other] I'd like it if she came back, but I wouldn't want her to be part of the main cast. I'd prefer her around like the Cadence and Discord are around.

  • ----- - 9 years ago

    [Other]. I love and adore Sunset, but I think she better fits in the Equestria Girls setting than in Equestria proper. But I'm all for more Sunbuns. Now, if you're saying crossover episodes with the Equestria Girls world in Season 5, I'm all in.

  • Ender1200 - 9 years ago

    It's never going to happen with her shaping up as the protagonist of EQG, but i would love it if it happened non the less.

  • ShadowRose - 9 years ago

    I'd LOVE this. She could be the Element of Forgiveness or Humility. She technically is connected to the Elements of Harmony, as seen in Rainbow Rocks. I'd love to see her reconnect with Celestia to convey that if you honestly apply yourself 100%, you can learn your ways and change fro the better. Maybe she could gain Princesshood under the guidance of Twilight? ^.^

  • GoDotiego - 9 years ago

    I really don't like this idea. All of Sunset Shimmer's friends (save for Twilight (and maybe Spike?)) live in the human world. Why would she abandon the first friends she ever had? The ones who gave her a second chance and welcomed her with no more demands than an apology? Her coming back to Equestria permanently would destroy everything they established with her character in the Equestria Girls films. I'm not opposed to her coming back for an episode or two though, to meet Twilight and tie up some loose ends with Celestia, for example.

  • Bum of Dead - 9 years ago

    The bums of the great,
    The bums of the dead,
    Are so fresh...
    ...too be eated.

    The bums are fresh of dead
    Freshly chopped of dead
    The chopper is greaty of dead

  • MarcterChief - 9 years ago

    Well, I certainly would love to see Sunset Shimmer back as a Pony, as long as she doesn't get too much screen time (meaning she shouldn't become a main character). I would love if she appeared in the opening two-parter of Season 5 and had several appearances throughout the Season.
    Imagine she popped up at some point and somepony didn't watch Equestria Girls and Rainbow Rocks. He'd be all like "Wait, what? Who's that Pony? Why does everypony seem to know her? What the hay is going on?????". If she appeared on the series, they would have to do some serious explaining^^ Anyway, it would be a really cool move to somehow implement her into the show!

  • Badly Drawn Turtle - 9 years ago

    @Don
    It depends. Would it just be a hands-to-hooves thing, leaving me a lanky simian who happens to have hooves at the ends of his arms? What type of hooves are we talking about? Pony, goat, pig? Would they be realistic, or cartoony? Would they come with a ticket for protagonist or protagonist's-friend in a world-changing adventure? Are they cursed? What color are they?

    One-Upping Genies Since 1995

    More seriously (somewhat), I assume you're asking rhetorically about whether Sunset would want to give up being a human to go back to Equestria. Ignoring her established life and just focusing on human biology, I would say it isn't really an issue. First and foremost, of course, is losing the dexterous tools we call hands. But what is the loss, here? Sunset Shimmer may be out of practice, but she was a high-level unicorn magician → simple levitation spells would more than make up for it, not to mention more complex utilities that non-magical hands simply can't do.

    What other features would she miss? Honestly, I can't think of any other inherent advantage to staying human (for Sunset, that is). So I would say that if it came down to whether she wanted to be a human or a pony, Sunset Shimmer would be fine with switching back.

  • Fifth - 9 years ago

    @Don I would totally give up my hands for hooves if it comes with magic.

    Also, I'd love to see Sunny as a member of the Mane Six to give her far more airtime. She deserves the character growth.

  • Badly Drawn Turtle - 9 years ago

    I said other, because I don't want to sound like I don't like Sunset. If the question were about her showing up as a semi-regular, like Cadance perhaps, I'd have hit the affirmative with great enthusiasm. But as a member of the Mane Cast? With ten Mane Characters already (Mane Six, Spike, CMC), there isn't really room. It's already a challenge to get attention to all of them in each season (hence why there are always complaints about one or another character being neglected), so adding more is a bad idea.

    And as @Smithers pointed out, she's as much a member of the Humane Six now as Twilight is a member of the Mane Six. As a semi-regular character, Sunset Shimmer could still live with her friends, and just visit Equestria (or perhaps the other way around). But a Mane Character would have to live in Equestria; it wouldn't do to have her jumping through a portal every single episode; so Sunset would be torn away from her established home and her first friends.

  • Don - 9 years ago

    Would you give up your hands for hooves?

  • Smithers - 9 years ago

    I'm afraid I had to vote against in this instance. Although it would be nice to see some of Sunset Shimmer in Equestria, she has a life in the human world now and it wouldn't make sense to me for her to leave that behind.

    Maybe if there were a human Sunset Shimmer who could come across to Equestria...

  • Frith - 9 years ago

    It probably won't happen due to the popularity of the Equestria Girls doll line, but I would like to see Sunset repatriated, although not as another chair in the TreeCastle.

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