I would trade Roark for Chapman and look to signing Strasburg long term based upon this years performance. Storen is not a closer and will not win us a World Series much less save us in a NLDS or CS. The Reds would look at the Roark offer seriously since Roark has a very good price tag for a decent amount of years. Chapman already said he is going to wait out this year and hit free agency. We need a closer and this could be our year after all of these years to win that coveted World Series title.
mark - 9 years ago
Trade Stan and Pat for salary relief.
10 Yema de la tuya son una de la mia - 9 years ago
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
10 Yema de la tuya son una de la mia - 9 years ago
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
10 Yema de la tuya son una de la mia - 9 years ago
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
10 Yema de la tuya son una de la mia - 9 years ago
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
Robert Fitzpatrick - 9 years ago
Trade Strasburg to KC for Herrera or Finnegan plus Manaea (A level minor leaguer) and Infante, another 2nd baseman
Mark - 9 years ago
@coachp
Wouldn't those incentive clauses prompt the Nationals to try and lower the innings workload on their pitchers? They are obviously being a little cost-conscious because of how they structured Scherzer's deal, and if they could save $250k per player (arbitrary number, I'm not overly familiar with their respective contracts) then that would benefit the club.
I agree that it could tax the middle relief corps by carrying one less reliever, or even sacrificing a bench position player to carry and extra pitcher on a small sample size. If you look at the bigger picture, you need about 1,500 innings to get through a season. Probably the best case scenario with a 5 man rotation is that they average 180 between them to get to 900 (I know Scherzer and Strasburg both eclipsed 200, but I think 180 would be a fair average among all 5). If you get a 170 average from 6 men, you are up to 1,020 innings, leaving less work for that admittedly depleted bullpen.
When the playoffs come around, you have multiple fresh arms and can play the match-ups to your liking.
coachp - 9 years ago
Well,
I would like to see the Nats trade Stratsburg and Desmond to the Astros for Altruve and a relief pitcher.
You can also look at some help at C as well.
They have alot of options but they should do something before releasing out of Spring Training.
A 6 man rotation sounds nice, but you need some flexibility in middle relief and its hard to call upon one of those guys to help in a pinch.
Plus, incentive money comes into play. Many SP have goals in their contracts to meet a certain amount of innings etc...and they would not meet it with a 6 man rotation..
just saying.
10 Yema de la tuya son una de la mia - 9 years ago
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
Mark - 9 years ago
I would love to see them usher in a six-man rotation. It would protect all of their arms, especially Strasburg and their new big-ticket purchase in Scherzer. By reducing the number of starts, and thus the innings pitched for Zimmermann, they could drive his price down a little bit when he hits the open-market, should they opt to try and resign him. If any injuries or ineptitude flare up, then they are ready with five able bodies that are accustomed to a starter's workload.
Nats scooter - 9 years ago
Trade Tanner - sell high baby
Dan - 9 years ago
Trading JZ or Fister for an everyday LHB (and whatever sweetener you can add). Consider middle infielders and third baseman for your return. Left-hand pop is worth mobbing Rendon back to 2B.
Trading Strasburg makes no sense.
Roark? He had an awesome season and he seems like a cool guy, but I don't think other teams will give up a haul for him. And he's way too cheap to part with, however hee settles as a pitcher.
Mike - 9 years ago
They should trade a starting pitcher for prospects. The goal for any MLB front office should be to consistently make the playoffs. Once you're in the playoffs, winning it all is pretty much a crapshoot.
Trading a SP makes a negligible difference to the Nats' chances of making the playoffs in 2015. The NL East is pretty weak. And so the difference between (say) Zimmermann and Roark pitching every 5th game is unlikely to be the difference between winning the NL East and not.
But after 2015 they're probably going to be without Zimmermann, Desmond & Fister, and the competition in the NL East will be stronger. So having more top prospects (who always carry risk) to potentially replace those players will significantly increase their chances of making the playoffs in the future.
Mike - 9 years ago
Rizzo is looking at the big picture. Zimmermann will get close to what Scherzer got and the two are a coin flip in difference. Dealing Zimmermann should get several prospects that are very close to major league ready. After the trade, the Nats opening Day roster will be essentially the same as it was prior to getting Scherzer but their future will be several prospects better. The prospects will have to cover next seasons loss of Desmond & Fister.
tom - 9 years ago
The question whether to trade any of the options presented is completely dependent upon what/who they get in return. The bullpen is the Nats' most questionable weakness. If they could get an elite closer like Aroldis Chapman (Fister, Desmond and Span for Chapman, Phillips and Hamilton?) then maybe.
JohnG - 9 years ago
Trade Strasburg AND Fister for 3- 4 top prospects and flip them to Phillies for Hamels, AND pony up the cash to sign Zimmerman.
The new 5 year rotation would be Scherzer, Hamels, Zimmerman, Gio, Roark/Giolito. It would be expensive, but would provide cost certainty. Hamels would look like a bargain next to Max and Zim. Right, Left, Right, Left, Right.
I know it ain't happening, but it would make some sense.
PaulieD - 9 years ago
It doesn't matter what they do. They only signed Scherzer bc of the threat the Mets are bringing. The Mets top 5 can beat a choke artist team in a 7 game series. There is no way the Nationals can have a $225 mill payroll in 2016.
Jim - 9 years ago
I think the reason Gio hasn't been brought up, is that he is the only lefty starter at this point. That is just conjecture on my part, but seems to make sense.
Dylan - 9 years ago
Lerners goal is to bring a championship to Washington and at age 89, this poses as maybe the last chance to bring that goal to fruition. I love the move for Scherzer as depth has proven to be the most key component to any World Series championship. I would love to see a move for a middle infielder/ outfielder but even with the terrible danny espinosa manning 2B this looks like the clear world series favorite heading into spring training. #CurlyDubInTheBook
Eric - 9 years ago
Why is trading Gio Gonzalez not an option. He is still good enough to draw interest but he took a big step back last season from being dominant.
I would trade Roark for Chapman and look to signing Strasburg long term based upon this years performance. Storen is not a closer and will not win us a World Series much less save us in a NLDS or CS. The Reds would look at the Roark offer seriously since Roark has a very good price tag for a decent amount of years. Chapman already said he is going to wait out this year and hit free agency. We need a closer and this could be our year after all of these years to win that coveted World Series title.
Trade Stan and Pat for salary relief.
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
Trade Strasburg to KC for Herrera or Finnegan plus Manaea (A level minor leaguer) and Infante, another 2nd baseman
@coachp
Wouldn't those incentive clauses prompt the Nationals to try and lower the innings workload on their pitchers? They are obviously being a little cost-conscious because of how they structured Scherzer's deal, and if they could save $250k per player (arbitrary number, I'm not overly familiar with their respective contracts) then that would benefit the club.
I agree that it could tax the middle relief corps by carrying one less reliever, or even sacrificing a bench position player to carry and extra pitcher on a small sample size. If you look at the bigger picture, you need about 1,500 innings to get through a season. Probably the best case scenario with a 5 man rotation is that they average 180 between them to get to 900 (I know Scherzer and Strasburg both eclipsed 200, but I think 180 would be a fair average among all 5). If you get a 170 average from 6 men, you are up to 1,020 innings, leaving less work for that admittedly depleted bullpen.
When the playoffs come around, you have multiple fresh arms and can play the match-ups to your liking.
Well,
I would like to see the Nats trade Stratsburg and Desmond to the Astros for Altruve and a relief pitcher.
You can also look at some help at C as well.
They have alot of options but they should do something before releasing out of Spring Training.
A 6 man rotation sounds nice, but you need some flexibility in middle relief and its hard to call upon one of those guys to help in a pinch.
Plus, incentive money comes into play. Many SP have goals in their contracts to meet a certain amount of innings etc...and they would not meet it with a 6 man rotation..
just saying.
Trade Ian Desmond to the mets for a fuking catcher that we need maybe plaweki and an arm like montero. BLET..
I would love to see them usher in a six-man rotation. It would protect all of their arms, especially Strasburg and their new big-ticket purchase in Scherzer. By reducing the number of starts, and thus the innings pitched for Zimmermann, they could drive his price down a little bit when he hits the open-market, should they opt to try and resign him. If any injuries or ineptitude flare up, then they are ready with five able bodies that are accustomed to a starter's workload.
Trade Tanner - sell high baby
Trading JZ or Fister for an everyday LHB (and whatever sweetener you can add). Consider middle infielders and third baseman for your return. Left-hand pop is worth mobbing Rendon back to 2B.
Trading Strasburg makes no sense.
Roark? He had an awesome season and he seems like a cool guy, but I don't think other teams will give up a haul for him. And he's way too cheap to part with, however hee settles as a pitcher.
They should trade a starting pitcher for prospects. The goal for any MLB front office should be to consistently make the playoffs. Once you're in the playoffs, winning it all is pretty much a crapshoot.
Trading a SP makes a negligible difference to the Nats' chances of making the playoffs in 2015. The NL East is pretty weak. And so the difference between (say) Zimmermann and Roark pitching every 5th game is unlikely to be the difference between winning the NL East and not.
But after 2015 they're probably going to be without Zimmermann, Desmond & Fister, and the competition in the NL East will be stronger. So having more top prospects (who always carry risk) to potentially replace those players will significantly increase their chances of making the playoffs in the future.
Rizzo is looking at the big picture. Zimmermann will get close to what Scherzer got and the two are a coin flip in difference. Dealing Zimmermann should get several prospects that are very close to major league ready. After the trade, the Nats opening Day roster will be essentially the same as it was prior to getting Scherzer but their future will be several prospects better. The prospects will have to cover next seasons loss of Desmond & Fister.
The question whether to trade any of the options presented is completely dependent upon what/who they get in return. The bullpen is the Nats' most questionable weakness. If they could get an elite closer like Aroldis Chapman (Fister, Desmond and Span for Chapman, Phillips and Hamilton?) then maybe.
Trade Strasburg AND Fister for 3- 4 top prospects and flip them to Phillies for Hamels, AND pony up the cash to sign Zimmerman.
The new 5 year rotation would be Scherzer, Hamels, Zimmerman, Gio, Roark/Giolito. It would be expensive, but would provide cost certainty. Hamels would look like a bargain next to Max and Zim. Right, Left, Right, Left, Right.
I know it ain't happening, but it would make some sense.
It doesn't matter what they do. They only signed Scherzer bc of the threat the Mets are bringing. The Mets top 5 can beat a choke artist team in a 7 game series. There is no way the Nationals can have a $225 mill payroll in 2016.
I think the reason Gio hasn't been brought up, is that he is the only lefty starter at this point. That is just conjecture on my part, but seems to make sense.
Lerners goal is to bring a championship to Washington and at age 89, this poses as maybe the last chance to bring that goal to fruition. I love the move for Scherzer as depth has proven to be the most key component to any World Series championship. I would love to see a move for a middle infielder/ outfielder but even with the terrible danny espinosa manning 2B this looks like the clear world series favorite heading into spring training. #CurlyDubInTheBook
Why is trading Gio Gonzalez not an option. He is still good enough to draw interest but he took a big step back last season from being dominant.