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See this poll on: http://www.plugthepipe.com/pollvote.html
Plug the Pipe! Do Melbournians really know best? Of course they don't! As a country farmer, I know that we're doing it mighty tough. We deliver the food to you Melbournians, so you should be giving us the water. Everybody, please help raise awareness about Plug the Pipe. We don't have the money to put many ads on television like the unhappy miners. Tell Brumby and Holding what they're doing wrong and Plug the Pipe!
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is this poll really needed? the majority of people know the pipeline is wrong, and needs to be stopped. just wondering if anyone read the article in the Good Weekend about the pumping of sand (in noosa i think) to beaches, as a huge volume was being lost every year.
the reason why? the course of the river was changed, so a new development could occur, therfore affecting the whole community, and currently costing the town large sums of money every year to replace the lost sand.
take warning mr. brumby.....mess with nature, and it will mess with you back ....
why is that people (clearly from Melbourne) keep arguing that we somehow are in debt to the big city because of all the tax they give us. Well i dont nkow about you but i havnt seen any new 200 million dollar hospitals going up in rural communitys or brand new 50,000 seat sports stadiums not to mention 1.2 billion dollar myki cards that still dont work! And were is the information coming from that one 3rd of water is beeing lost. Insead of looking at taking what we dont have, why doesnt Brumby look at utelising what he has and dam the water that just runs out to see every time it rains. this means happy city slickers and very happy farmers with their land back and water to use on it. Or you can pay $6 for milk every day. Your choice
I'm only 16 and although i may not know that much about the pipeline i have been to rallies and am doing alot of research about it and so far i have come to one conclusion. WHAT IS BRUMBY TRYING TO DO? He is trying to get water we don't have, it's like that saying getting blood from a stone. It is impossible, we don't have enough water to give, heck we don't even have enough for ourselves let along for all those people in Melbourne. I live in Mildura, so i will be affected by this decision and a dumb one at that. I have looked at it from a number of different ways and can not see how it benefits us at all, the only ones it benefits are the Melburnians. Brumby is killing the foodbowl and taking food from his own mouth doing so.
Oh goody, a new pipe to pump fresh country air to the city, this has got to be one of the biggest disasters in Victorian/Australian history.
I think alot of the things being said here should be put to Brumby. I'm opposed to the pipeline and also to the desalination plant being built close to where I live. We need to write to Brumby and let him know how many people are against it.(though he SHOULd have already noticed from the number of surveys taken).
I think all Melbourne homes should have a tank. We have 5 tanks and save HEAPS of water- water shouldn't be running off roofs and going to waste so that we have to pump water from the country (where water is just SO plentiful) to the city to make up for the water going to waste.. it's ridiculous. Let Brumby know, it's all very well to be writing on here but what are the chances he'll read these comments? he is off doing much more important things like coming up with terrible stupid ideas.
Im a 24yr Melburnian yet i grew up on the land. I would like to ask, how could any melburnian hold their head up high if this pipeline exists? Unfortunately most melburnians still conserve water in a faddish way(if at all), they do it when they can be bothered or if they want to make themselves feel good, yet its not consistent. Farmers have to conserve water 24/7 to simply be able to survive and if they're lucky, make ends meet. They have no choice, they are allocated a certain amount of water and thats it. Melburnians should conserve the water they already have, consistently, ie:- all the time. Melburnians need heavier water restrictions and more enforcement of these restrictions. Im appalled that Melbourne thinks that they can take water from the areas that desperately need it the most while being unable to keep their own water usage in check. Collectively we have it too easy and we should be ashamed.
I am an Australian living in South Korea. I will be back in Australia next week to live again.
I am appalled at this new pipeline and how it will draw water from an already
overwhelmed river system.
It seems quite ridiculous and a plan that completely ignores what is actually happening in the environment.
I feels to be criminal.
My wife and I are opposed to the decision to pump water to Melbourne which should flow north of the ranges to the Murray.
It will be the downfall of Mr Brumby and his government.
'Listening', its not the leaks in the tank that Steven Trevaskis is refering to, it's that the water onto my farm is less and the bill is for air. We have handded over alot of entitlement in recent years and my bills are still the same and my production is less. My water bill is big even if I don't receive water.
Pete Zahut: In responce to your claim "loss of water due to evaporation is essentially nullified by the north-south pipeline", what on earth makes you think that this pipe will stop evaporation.
The same govt owned (and neglected) OPEN IRRIGATION CHANNELS will still be used, all 7000km and something of them, therefore evaporation will clearly still occur.
You also wrote: "Dear undeducated imbeciles, It has come to my attention that the majority of these posts seem to be lacking in both relevence or coherency." Well Pete, the above seems to suggest that you are the uneducated one, as it is completely obvious that a single pipe isnt going to stop water from evaporating out of other channels
Perhaps you should stop mimicking the govt in there incorrect and unjust insults towards us, and actually learn the facts (not the govt propaganda) and not spread lies.
"The modernization of the food-bowl irrigation system will in fact conserve as much as 43% of our currently stored water over a period of three years" Who told you that? Cos they are pulling your leg.
"and will actually benefit around 80% of irrigators in Victoria by providing additional water entitlements and improving water infrastructure" funny, you would think that the irrigators would be happy about something that would benifit them. clearly, the vast majority arent. (At least from where i am looking, it may look as if we are a small minority watching from melb, but that is certainly incorrect)
Ted and Peter, i daresay you are probably the same person, who most likely has either of those names.
The few people who have left comments in support that claim to have 'researched' the debate should look beyond the Government Propaganda for their research material. Several points already noted by other anti-pipeliners are as plain as the noses on your face, so how can people not see the bleeding obvious? Simple they are either Black is White arguement supporters or Brumby Government supporters. In any way these people won't have their minds changed by any argument. Vocal, constant, badgering, protest against this redicules, government scam, as it won't fix the problem. A generation of no water-restrictions in Melbourne are the root cause, as 30 + years of Melbournians have no concept of saving water
The few people who have left comments in support that claim to have 'researched' the debate should look beyond the Government Propaganda for their research material. Several points already noted by other anti-pipeliners are as plain as the noses on your face, so how can people not see the bleeding obvious? Simple they are either Black is White arguement supporters or Brumby Government supporters. In any way these people won't have their minds changed by any argument. Vocal, constant, badgering, protest against this redicules, government scam, as it won't fix the problem. A generation of no water-restrictions in Melbourne are the root cause, as 30 + years of Melbournians have no concept of saving water
How about these porkies? Drought-proofing Victoria! He plans to make it rain? "New" water! From existing "old" water, a failing river system and a dam that is 87% empty? Yeah, right! Brumby the Bush Basher.
"Anonymous" on March 31, you are a w a n k e r.
Melbourne is not entitled to water savings from the food bowl modernisation project.
Melbourne is not spending its money on upgrading a system "the irrigators can't afford to fix".
Your beloved Melbourne is not the only place that pays taxes.
All of Victoria is paying for this pipeline that is robbing water to win city votes.
Incase you hadn't realised, this government of ours is supposed to governs for ALL OF VICTORIA, not just Melbourne.
To say that Melbourne is merely taking some of the reward it has paid from shows how obnoxious you are.
Your comments are just pathetic.
Keep your mouth shut about something you know nothing about or at least have the guts to put your name to them.
The North South pipeline goes against sustainability principles. To take water from dry inland (Murray Darling Basin) to higher rainfall and more reliable coastal catchments is a nail in the coffin of our civilization. Melbourne has an unlimited appetite for water which will remain unsatisfied by even the massive 75GL proposed to be pumped from the Murray Darling Basin (the Goulburn at Yea). The answer to Melbourne's water needs is under Melbourne's feet. 70% of Melbourne's water is used by industry, most of which doesn't need potable water. That can be tapped and replaced by storm water for less than $50m. See Evans B March 2008 ASR - 'Aquifer Storage & Recovery Option for Melbourne ...' paper on plugthepipe.com
We are accredited tour operators with a well run canoeing business on the Goulburn River. There is no way the river can support less water and therefore we object strongly to the proposal from the State Government to pipe water from the Goulburn system to Melbourne.
We are also prepared to offer more support to this if required.
I am disgusted that the Government thinks it has the right to take water from already depleated sources to give to Melbourne. Try living in places which have been on Stage 4 water restrictions for years where people have been watching their plants and trees die and then listening to Melbourne which is only on Stage 3 complaining. Why isn't Melbourne doing it tough like the rest of us. Only because there are more votes in the city. Now they are going to take our water. Hands off. It is about time the government started looking at options like recycling (European communities have been doing this for years). They need to be finding ways of creating water not relying on what little water there is available at the moment. Wake up Melbourne this is dividing the country and city even more than before. If comments are anonymous they shouldn't be printed.
Check out :-
http://www.plugthepipe.com
The Sunday Age http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/leaky-figures-may-dent-pipe-dream/2008/05/17/1210765260561.html
revealed the Government has been forced to admit the 900 billion litre annual loss in the Goulburn-Murray district used to support their $2 billion Foodbowl Modernisation Project and North-South pipeline was grossly inflated.
In fact the average annual loss of 690 billion litres in the past 10 years they quote in The Sunday Age is rapidly declining.
An even more damning statistic is that not only is the average annual loss in the last 10 years nowhere near 900 billion litres but an annual loss equaling or exceeding 900 billion litres has not even been recorded in the Goulburn-Murray district for any year in the past 10 years.
You don’t need to be a Rhodes Scholar or Mathematical Wizard to realise there can be no basis for the Brumby Government adopting an average annual loss of 900 billion litres for the Goulburn-Murray district, particularly in the light of the CSIRO’s best-estimate modeling showing that flows and hence losses are only going to decrease in the future.
Put simply, and now by their own reckoning, the Brumby Government’s basis for the $2 billion Foodbowl Modernisation project is clearly flawed and smacks of incompetence of the highest order.
Nothing short of a full independent enquiry, as recommended by the Victorian Auditor-General, should suffice with those responsible for adopting such an erroneous loss figure being dealt with accordingly.
Your quote "The pipe will help with the lack of water because it eliminates the evaporation factor" is uniformed. The modernisation works do NOT eliminate evaporation as the only way to do that is to pipe the system. The current Foodbowl Modernisation plan will pipe less than 0.1% of the 7000 kilometres of open earth channels. Virtually zero water will be saved from evaporation under this plan.
What make the majority of the Pipeline protesters angry is the level of false information or propaganda that the government is disseminating. The FACTs advertising campaign that the government is currently running is a example of this. Most of these so called facts are highly disputed, not proven especially when they are associated with water savings. The Auditor General has noted this in his most recent report. The glossy brochure on the water plan the government distributed to every Victorian even contained a disclaimer about the level of savings.
In essence the Governments plan will remove water from
irrigators - by adjusting metering and forcing them to take over existing government own infrastructure ( ie privatising 50% of the irrigation system)
environment - by reducing irrigation outfalls in the Murray, Goulburn and Loddon Rivers
The construction of the pipeline which travel 75 km over a 350 meter rise of the great dividing range will destroy forest, farm lands and cause significant damage of our highland streams including the Heritage listed Goulburn River.
Significant endangered species will also be affected.
I belive that the protesters of plug the pipe need to back off!!
The pipe will help with the lack of water because it eliminates the evaporation factor. Can't you see that?!?
If you want a issue resolved be civilised about it instead of shouting, because if you haven't already noticed, the shouting doesn't get you any where!!
People should have the guts to put their real name here and anoyone putting anonymous should be deleted.
Labour's propaganda made me laugh.
On March 31, I received in the mail a Victorian Government publication.
An A3-size sheet, folded in half to A4-size, then into three with the cover showing a child drinking from a glass, titled Our Water Our Future ... Protecting the Food Bowl's Future.
Would you believe on the back of the folded sheet is a disclaimer: ``This publication may be of assistance to you but the State of Victoria and its employees do not guarantee that the publication is without flaw of any kind or is wholly appropriate for your particular purposes and therefore disclaims all liability for any error, loss or other consequence which may arise from you relying on any information in this publication.''
Why not do some research so their is not any chance of a flaw
AnonymousApr 11, 2008 3:03am ET
The food bowl modernization scheme is not a contentious issue for me, it is somthing that should have been adressed along time ago. The issue for me is the fact that the government has just decided, with out democratic debate, to create a pipeline (which will in itself will have a huge inmpact on the enviroment) to remove water from an area which badly needs it. Lake Eildon at 15% capacity! Why won't these so called savings go back into our already overstressed streams and rivers.
umm 1/3 of initial savings go to the enviornment and 50% additional saving will as well
surely you were aware of this
so lets be clear
they (Melbourne) are not taking farmers water but taking some of the savings made from THEIR investment in fixing up YOUR irrigation system that is shot and leaky and you collectively have done nothing about for the best part of 50 years
so the farmers get more water and the benefit of a better irrigation infrastructure
oh and
steven trevaskis
"I think you would complain if you paid for 100 ltrs of petrol and got 30 ltrs"
yes but because your tank leaks you need 100 to get your 30 so if i fix your tank so you only need 30 to get 30 then there is more fuel avail in the bowser (Eildon) to share around! and you get a better tank which ive paid for
"And another thing alot of the water is not wasted, because it is going onto the farm un-metered"
un-metered =unpaid for
so its not fair they pay for water they dont get but its ok for them to get water they dont pay for
that my friend is water theft
think outside the box and see there is huge benefits for all and a more secure future for the farmers
Not even a Great Wizard like myself can make water savings appear from nothing like Mr Brumby can.
Brumby is really magic!!!!!!
The food bowl modernization scheme is not a contentious issue for me, it is somthing that should have been adressed along time ago. The issue for me is the fact that the government has just decided, with out democratic debate, to create a pipeline (which will in itself will have a huge inmpact on the enviroment) to remove water from an area which badly needs it. Lake Eildon at 15% capacity! Why won't these so called savings go back into our already overstressed streams and rivers.
Melbourne uses 490 GL of fresh water anually on average, 450 GL of water falls on Melbournes catchment. How much of this FREE water is utilized; less than 5 %. If the Brumby government is serious about securing Melbournes water needs for the future we need serious solutions, like retro-fitting melbournes houses with rainwater tanks, not Pipe Dreams.
Note Anonymous do not complain about the farmers with your mouth full. I think you would complain if you paid for 100 ltrs of petrol and got 30 ltrs. Then someone with a bigger petrol tank came and sucked petrol out of your supply.
And another thing alot of the water is not wasted, because it is going onto the farm un-metered, so the farmer will get less water after Brumby;s new water plan upgrade.
So that means less Fresh Australian food for you, Anonymous
I do not agree with the pipe line. We're we live has very little water as it is. Why take the last of our water here Mr BRUMPY? If you dodn't believe me then come and have a look at our little river now.
After extensive research in this issue I have found that the North-South pipeline is a extremely good decision being made by the government. By fixing the irrigation infrastructure water which was being wasted is being saved and spread out equally between Melbourne, irrigators and the environment. Irrigators are actually benefiting from this project despite what everyone else is thinking.
Melbourne is entitled to some of the water being saved as the irrigators would never ever have been able to upgrade their own system without an investor.
Melbourne is NOT stealing your water. They are simply spending a lot of money to fix a problem that the irrigators could never afford and taking some of the reward for their own investment. Why shouldn't they????
Some could argue that Melbourne is entitled to all of the water savings, and the irrigators would not know any different. They would possess the same allocations.
Irrigators are being rewarded for something they haven't done so why are you fighting something which is beneficial?? You should be embracing it.
The pipeline from Colbinabbin to Bendigo runs through one of our paddocks. When I start thinking about the inconvenience this has caused our farming, not to mention the fact that our personal details were published in the Bendigo Advertiser, I feel that my basic human rights have been violated. It's a botch job, anyway. A few weeks ago, a leakage caused water to gush out, causing further damage. So this is the great "water saving"? I am so frustrated with people's ignorance and apathy, believing that this government has the irrigators' best interests at heart.