I never understood. Nobody in BC drives cars. I have never heard that before but it's obviously true.
samantha - 7 years ago
a "few" leaks from oil pipelines in alberta. note the comments.... nexen said pipeline not designed properly for muskeg conditions, etc. this will be the new norm should the pipeline of poison be allowed. pray that it is not!
July 2015
Five million litres of bitumen, sand and water mixed together spill into muskeg at Nexen Energy's Long Lake oilsands project near Fort McMurray, Alta. The company concludes the pipeline rupture that led to the spill went undetected for about a month before it was discovered by a contractor. Nexen says the pipeline was not designed properly for muskeg conditions.
An estimated 380,000 litres of light petroleum leaks within five kilometres of a grizzly bear management zone in northwestern Alberta. Owners ConocoPhillips Canada and Paramount Resources say the leak of condensate, a liquid produced with natural gas, is from a gas plant near Grande Cache. No one is found living in the area and there's no evidence of animals or fish hurt by the spill.
November 2014
Canadian Natural Resources says a mechanical failure led to a spill of 60,000 litres of crude oil near Red Earth Creek in northern Alberta. The company says most of the spill was contained on the company's land and a nearby pipeline right of way. No report of harm to wildlife.
July 2013
Canadian Natural Resources identifies four sites where a bitumen-water mix has been seeping from an old well at the company's oilsands project on the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range. At least 1.5 million litres of bitumen is recovered. At least 100 animals die. The Alberta government issues environmental protection orders and limits the amount of steam CNRL pumps into the reservoir.
May 2013
An Apache Canada pipeline in the Zama City region of northern Alberta leaks 15 million toxic litres of process water heavily contaminated with salt. Another 1.8-million-litre leak of waste water is discovered the following October
June 2012
Some 461,000 litres of oil from a Plains Midstream pipeline leaks into a tributary of the Red Deer River in central Alberta from an underwater pipe cracked by high water flows. Gleniffer Lake, a man-made reservoir popular with water recreationists, is closed for nearly three weeks. A marina and campground are also closed, fishing on the river is shut down and drinking water is trucked in for people. The province's regulator concludes the line had not been adequately inspected
May 2012
A leak that goes undetected for days from a Pace Oil and Gas waste disposal line releases about 3.5 million litres of a water-oil emulsion into muskeg near Rainbow Lake close to the Alberta-Northwest Territories boundary. It is discovered when an aircraft from another oil company makes a routine flyover.
April 2011
A poorly welded and highly stressed section of the Rainbow pipeline owned by Plains Midstream cracks and spews about 4.5 million litres of oil into low-lying marshland near the northern Alberta aboriginal community of Little Buffalo. A beaver dam prevents oil from spreading beyond the spill site. School in Little Buffalo is cancelled for several days over odour concerns. Damage is described in court as significant.
April 2007
Otis Glazebrook - 7 years ago
My thanks to Roger and Aly for their excellent comments. There are many reasons why the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion though BC should be stopped.
My focus was on the insanity and upheaval of constructing a new pipeline (not twinned) through Burnaby, on the risk of the massive planned expansion of the tank farm and Westridge loading terminal, and the resulting effect on the harbour.
Kinder Morgan says that there will be 34 large tanker ships per month. Well, let's do the math. That means 68 one-way trips per month. There are 28-31 days in a month. Some days, we can expect four (or more) one-way trips. The ships must travel at high tide (there is not enough clearance from harbour bottom otherwise), disrupting other traffic (Seabus, cruise ships, other commercial ships, etc.) as they slowly move, trying not to collide with three major bridges in all types of weather. All of this without even going into what it would mean if there was a spill of the diluted bitumen (which sinks after giving off its toxic fumes).
RogerBryenton - 7 years ago
Did anyone mention global warming, climate change and Canada's responsibility? If so I missed it. How do the commentors reconcile fossil fuel expansion with protecting our planet? We are addicted to petroleum. These are difficult and essential choices, and destroying CO2 sequestering forests to extract CO2 creating, and methane and other VOC's does not reconcile with a liveable planet. We have to stop using and extracting fossil fuels. If you don't stop crack, cocaine, alcohol and heroin use, you die. If we don't stop fossil fuel use, and expansion, future generations and our planet will likely die. This is not a high school science experiment and we do not know the outcome, but the results so far are alarming. RB
Aly - 7 years ago
FACTS ABOUT KINDER MORGAN (no opinions included) 1. Texas based company that typically hires unskilled migrant workers to save costs (not Canadian workers). https://www.google.ca/.../article33613703/%3fservice=amp (This was written before Big Banks pulled funding too) 2) The pipeline expansion from Edmonton to Burnaby could produce revenue for Canada if refined in Alberta (more refineries would be needed), but Kinder Morgan is shipping the diluted bitumen from the pipeline to California. 3) Canada could not possibly gain the revenue Kinder Morgan claims https://thetyee.ca/.../Kinder-Morgan-Forget-Economic.../ 4) China was the biggest revenue source for the oil, but they pulled out earlier this year and will not be purchasing the huge amount of oil they were expected to. http://oilsandstruth.org/china-explains-move-out-canada... 5) Bitumen is dirty crude oil, is toxic and corrosive and not worth as much as clean oil https://docs2.neb-one.gc.ca/.../D80%2D27%2D03_%2D_Haisla... 6) Major banks (like ING) were funding the Kinder Morgan expansion, but through pressure some banks have pulled out so the funding for the expansion. https://www.banktrack.org/.../dutch_bank_ing_the_latest... 7) Unions are up in arms after Kindber Morgan promised to hire skilled workers, but they don't mention it anymore. http://www.iuoe115.ca/tell-kinder-morgan-put-safety-profits-keep-promise-bc/
Kit - 7 years ago
Remember haida gwaii... mac,blo...
( fast forward,) now God prefers to live there today.
Thomas Beaupre - 7 years ago
Please leave things alone.
How are we going to get wages up when all projects are being canceled or reviewed.
Or maybe everyone should just get a check monthly from the government and do nothing.
Stop already .please.
Otis Glazebrook - 7 years ago
People have a right to their opinion - informed or otherwise. I prefer people who have studied all aspects of this project, read the reports from experts (e.g., from the consultant to SFU, from the Burnaby Fire Department, from a world consultant to the City of Burnaby, economist Robyn Allan's various analyses, etc.), toured the hillside massive tank farm expansion area and the expansion of the Westridge terminal area to understand the magnitude of the proposal and its impact, recognize that there is no safe escape from the SFU area in the event of a tank farm fire or fume release, understand that there is no twinning in Burnaby, have reviewed the reputation of Kinder Morgan when it comes to spills and reneging on jobs, are aware of the impact that the expansion would have on the Vancouver harbor traffic, understand the toxicity and properties of diluted bitumen, and realize that the product is for export and not domestic use. Such informed people understand why this pipeline expansion location is the worst one possible and must be stopped. Location and alternative means of transporting product were outside of the scope of the NEB study.
Fred the head - 7 years ago
Build it we need it and stop wasting our money with useless court battles.
Avril Field - 7 years ago
Bob Clark if a GreeNDP alliance was on the ballot I would have voted for it. I couldn't be happier with the election results. The NDP can implement their platform and the Greens can provide a check/balance to both the NDP and Liberals if they try to do anything crazy. I oppose the pipeline for the risks it poses to the environment and also for the greenhouse gases produced by the final product. Leave the fossil fuels in the ground and invest in green energy. Citizens 50 years from now will be applauding the strong stance of this government.
Brian Fisher - 7 years ago
This pipeline will never be built. Even KM know that. They are forging ahead in hopes that they can find a reason to win a law suit against the province. There is no need for this pipeline expansion. No market for the Dilbit. We will always need some oil but if we stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as we can; we will have enough to meet our needs for 500 years. Stop subsidizing - Cap it - Reclaim it and hold it as an asset for future generations.
Beric - 7 years ago
The media needs to stop referring to the stuff going through the proposed pipes as oil. It's diluted bitumen, folks. There's no cleanup protocol and the chemical composition is a"trade secret". Look at the disaster in Kalamazoo - happened 7 years ago and still only 20% cleaned up!
Ryan Langkamer - 7 years ago
The Kinder Morgan TransMountain pipeline has leaked or released fluids 82 times, with over a million litres lost in total.
The Second Narrows Bridge was damaged in a two freighter collision and would collapse, if it happened again. These AfraMax tankers carry a million plus barrels of bitumen, which is toxic and cannot be cleaned up, as Kalamazoo River residents found out.
The tanker traffic will increase 700% to 35 per month, more than one a day.
None of these products is for local usage, all is for export, only to Asia !
BC doesn't need any of that, nor the inevitable spills and leaks, never mind the crashes between ships and shores.
Luanne Grund - 7 years ago
No – it's not in their jurisdiction.
I take issue with that right there. It is everyone jurisdiction when one industry runs roughshod over other industries. Just because Oil and Gas have bigger fund for lobbyist that get their way over other industries like tourism and fishing doesn't mean that it right that they get their way.
We have a right to fair representation, that can't happen as 'we the people' only have ourselves as lobbyist. That is why we have to resort to civil disobedience. That is our Lobby!
Bob Clark - 7 years ago
Not a single BC resident voted for an NDP/ Green alliance. There for they have no mandate to impose their opinions on us, and certainly not at our cost.
Landon Donnelly - 7 years ago
Okay so we shut down all the pipelines. Then what? Use solar wind and tidal to generate our energy uses? You will ramp up rare earth element mining (lithium pits are some of the most destructive in the world). Everything from the tires on the car to the frame to the silicon boards in the guidance systems to the factories created to pump out "renewable energy" and tech will create just as many CO emissions. Bicycles have to be welded and metals created in smeltering plants. I guess we could all just become hudderites. That's basically what it boils down to. Will you get rid of creature comforts and technology and go back to farming and living off the land to save the planet?
tony - 7 years ago
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Jason Thompson - 7 years ago
Only 57 jobs for bc
Lois & Ed Jarvis - 7 years ago
This is a huge risk to BC. KinderMorgan showed pictures on TV of their ships going through open water, whereas the waters are filled with islands, reefs and treacherous tides. Burnaby firefighters' report states that increasing the tanks on Burnaby mountain could be catastrophic. If there was a fire with one road, everyone at Simon Fraser University would be trapped and the firefighters woould not be able to do anythng but let the fire burn. Read the report! Then the pipeline cannot be guaranteed not to leak and we DO live in an earthquake zone. There must be a better solution for jobs and industry than putting BC at such great risk. NO to the KinderMorgan expansion. Find a better solution!
Kerry Nobbs - 7 years ago
Yeah okay go ahead and shut it off. Stupid shit is bitumen. No processing here. You want the real money put in a processing plant. This crap is going south to Texas. Put the goddamn pipeline south over the border and twin the one to Texas so some billionaire buddy of the Alberta and Canadian government can get richer off you. Oh and shutting off your pipeline to freeze us out is not a threat you idiots. Remember NO PROCESSING. While you are at it and you want some jobs get rid of the TFWs they are hiring. And why would we want to lose hundreds of jobs to create hundreds of ghost jobs for TFWs in Alberta and lose fishing grounds, have several hundred more tankers plying our waters, and those parked for days blocking the view from the Gulf Islands and all of their residual garbage and spillage in out strait ruining our crabbing, prawning, fishing and whale watching.
Laine Waddell - 7 years ago
John Long since when has the NDP ever been a party for the blue collar workforce? They are there to keep the fentanyl crisis going by not letting the junkies kill themselves off weren't you around for their last run when they bankrupted this province and put everyone out of work?
vince smallwood - 7 years ago
lets get this built.Alberta needs it.Canada needs it. and BC needs it.
John Long - 7 years ago
I can't believe the NDP , who were supposed to be the supporter of working people, can be so stupid on all of these energy projects. I think it is the environmental tails wagging the dog. They are making the BC Liberals look like geniuses.
David - 7 years ago
If the new line is unsafe I guess they need to turn off all gas and oil lines, just to be safe because they are old. It is a good thing we have global warming because it can get cold in the winter when you have no furnaces or cars, but it will spur on those who want to drive to buy electric.
Grace Stewart - 7 years ago
Where do the people think they are getting there gas for cars now, oil for transport trucks, heating oil. Do they think the NDP are God and bringing it to them with a pie in the sky. What they have is coming to,them by PIPELINE. I don't think people in BC were that stupid or in informed. Remember Ralph Kliens rant to Eastern Canada.....let the bas.....freeze in the dark. Perhaps Alberta should turn off the tap that feeds BC
They then may appreciate our industry. Do they not realize that oil is also a natural product. It has been seeping into the Athabasca river for hundreds of years before man was there. Think about it
Rainer Schmoll - 7 years ago
Useless poll, you can refresh your screen and vote all day long, waste of energy but actually quite hilarious when you look at what the lead up to the poll discusses.
Jimmy-C - 7 years ago
So why no court challenge on pipeline being built to VCR airport? If you're against one you've got to be against all.
Jimmy-C - 7 years ago
So why no court challenge on pipeline being built to VCR airport? If you're against one you've got to be against all.
Kasandra Maidmentt - 7 years ago
15,000 jobs? The company itself said 500 and only 50 of them permanent. Get a grip. Pipelines are about profit, not jobs. Most of the people hired will be temporary foreign workers.
Diane - 7 years ago
I just wish some of you NDP people would start to think of where the future jobs for next generation are going to come from. It is not BC or Alberta It is Canada. We need not to be selfish but help each other. First Nations seem to be ok with this delaying because of them is just a fake reason to delay. Just the same as we seem to want to not cut trees or pollute water then you have all these forest fires and if you think this does not pollute you are stupid. All those trees get burned when if some had been cut and put to use - that would be better. I just wish all the tree hugers would give up their big trucks, ATV'S skidoo etc then tell me we do not need a pipeline. Until then use your common sense and go ahead with pipeline. Proceed with due diligence.
Laine Waddell - 7 years ago
Jane Gibney filthy oil sands huh? All I see is another comment from a Facebook warrior who know nothing of canadas exports I bet you can't even find hard evidence that this oil is any less harmful to the environment than any other. Sure you'll come back and say well it's sour oil but what is the difference between sweet and sour oil? The Exxon Valdez was carrying sweet oil it's just as bad for the environment when spilled. How about the source country of most of the oil in Canada? Do you support Saudi Arabia? Do you support women's rights in Saudi Arabia? By buying their oil you are Canadas oil sands are extracted in the cleanest way possible and i know this because I have been there and seen the whole landscape up there not just one picture of a tailings pond, unlike most of vancouvers population that has never been north of Hope and feels they can competently weigh in on the situation. Everyone in Canada is a consumer of petroleum products wether you drive a car, use plastics or are investing in solar panels I'm proud of our Canadian oil and all Canadian natural resources being extracted and mined in an environmentally friendly fashion and the fact that a free nation can be so prosperous doing so. Now we get to see an unelected premier waste millions and millions fighting noble projects because he's so closed minded he cannot for the life of him understand where his cell phone came from. Props to the Vancouver Sun for being one of the few new sounds agencies looking at the story from both sides and stating when they have a personal opinion on the matter
Dale Coptin - 7 years ago
Maybe Alberta should tell BC to ship all their products to eastern Canada a different route.
Why should we take a risk of a train derailment or a tanker spill through our province?
If you don't want to take the best interests of Canada into account then why should we?
Oh by the way, it's not BC's coastal waters, it's Canada's.
Jane Gibney - 7 years ago
This is a fake poll! The Vancouver Sun is a biased rag ! Has been a major supporter of the BC liberals for years! I really doubt they have ever reported honestly about the oil lines! Or any news that might support a slightly left of centre view! They have consistently muzzled any attempt to bring a researched in depth report on the extreme dangers of this filthy oil sands export!
I never understood. Nobody in BC drives cars. I have never heard that before but it's obviously true.
a "few" leaks from oil pipelines in alberta. note the comments.... nexen said pipeline not designed properly for muskeg conditions, etc. this will be the new norm should the pipeline of poison be allowed. pray that it is not!
July 2015
Five million litres of bitumen, sand and water mixed together spill into muskeg at Nexen Energy's Long Lake oilsands project near Fort McMurray, Alta. The company concludes the pipeline rupture that led to the spill went undetected for about a month before it was discovered by a contractor. Nexen says the pipeline was not designed properly for muskeg conditions.
An estimated 380,000 litres of light petroleum leaks within five kilometres of a grizzly bear management zone in northwestern Alberta. Owners ConocoPhillips Canada and Paramount Resources say the leak of condensate, a liquid produced with natural gas, is from a gas plant near Grande Cache. No one is found living in the area and there's no evidence of animals or fish hurt by the spill.
November 2014
Canadian Natural Resources says a mechanical failure led to a spill of 60,000 litres of crude oil near Red Earth Creek in northern Alberta. The company says most of the spill was contained on the company's land and a nearby pipeline right of way. No report of harm to wildlife.
July 2013
Canadian Natural Resources identifies four sites where a bitumen-water mix has been seeping from an old well at the company's oilsands project on the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range. At least 1.5 million litres of bitumen is recovered. At least 100 animals die. The Alberta government issues environmental protection orders and limits the amount of steam CNRL pumps into the reservoir.
May 2013
An Apache Canada pipeline in the Zama City region of northern Alberta leaks 15 million toxic litres of process water heavily contaminated with salt. Another 1.8-million-litre leak of waste water is discovered the following October
June 2012
Some 461,000 litres of oil from a Plains Midstream pipeline leaks into a tributary of the Red Deer River in central Alberta from an underwater pipe cracked by high water flows. Gleniffer Lake, a man-made reservoir popular with water recreationists, is closed for nearly three weeks. A marina and campground are also closed, fishing on the river is shut down and drinking water is trucked in for people. The province's regulator concludes the line had not been adequately inspected
May 2012
A leak that goes undetected for days from a Pace Oil and Gas waste disposal line releases about 3.5 million litres of a water-oil emulsion into muskeg near Rainbow Lake close to the Alberta-Northwest Territories boundary. It is discovered when an aircraft from another oil company makes a routine flyover.
April 2011
A poorly welded and highly stressed section of the Rainbow pipeline owned by Plains Midstream cracks and spews about 4.5 million litres of oil into low-lying marshland near the northern Alberta aboriginal community of Little Buffalo. A beaver dam prevents oil from spreading beyond the spill site. School in Little Buffalo is cancelled for several days over odour concerns. Damage is described in court as significant.
April 2007
My thanks to Roger and Aly for their excellent comments. There are many reasons why the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion though BC should be stopped.
My focus was on the insanity and upheaval of constructing a new pipeline (not twinned) through Burnaby, on the risk of the massive planned expansion of the tank farm and Westridge loading terminal, and the resulting effect on the harbour.
Kinder Morgan says that there will be 34 large tanker ships per month. Well, let's do the math. That means 68 one-way trips per month. There are 28-31 days in a month. Some days, we can expect four (or more) one-way trips. The ships must travel at high tide (there is not enough clearance from harbour bottom otherwise), disrupting other traffic (Seabus, cruise ships, other commercial ships, etc.) as they slowly move, trying not to collide with three major bridges in all types of weather. All of this without even going into what it would mean if there was a spill of the diluted bitumen (which sinks after giving off its toxic fumes).
Did anyone mention global warming, climate change and Canada's responsibility? If so I missed it. How do the commentors reconcile fossil fuel expansion with protecting our planet? We are addicted to petroleum. These are difficult and essential choices, and destroying CO2 sequestering forests to extract CO2 creating, and methane and other VOC's does not reconcile with a liveable planet. We have to stop using and extracting fossil fuels. If you don't stop crack, cocaine, alcohol and heroin use, you die. If we don't stop fossil fuel use, and expansion, future generations and our planet will likely die. This is not a high school science experiment and we do not know the outcome, but the results so far are alarming. RB
FACTS ABOUT KINDER MORGAN (no opinions included) 1. Texas based company that typically hires unskilled migrant workers to save costs (not Canadian workers). https://www.google.ca/.../article33613703/%3fservice=amp (This was written before Big Banks pulled funding too) 2) The pipeline expansion from Edmonton to Burnaby could produce revenue for Canada if refined in Alberta (more refineries would be needed), but Kinder Morgan is shipping the diluted bitumen from the pipeline to California. 3) Canada could not possibly gain the revenue Kinder Morgan claims https://thetyee.ca/.../Kinder-Morgan-Forget-Economic.../ 4) China was the biggest revenue source for the oil, but they pulled out earlier this year and will not be purchasing the huge amount of oil they were expected to. http://oilsandstruth.org/china-explains-move-out-canada... 5) Bitumen is dirty crude oil, is toxic and corrosive and not worth as much as clean oil https://docs2.neb-one.gc.ca/.../D80%2D27%2D03_%2D_Haisla... 6) Major banks (like ING) were funding the Kinder Morgan expansion, but through pressure some banks have pulled out so the funding for the expansion. https://www.banktrack.org/.../dutch_bank_ing_the_latest... 7) Unions are up in arms after Kindber Morgan promised to hire skilled workers, but they don't mention it anymore. http://www.iuoe115.ca/tell-kinder-morgan-put-safety-profits-keep-promise-bc/
Remember haida gwaii... mac,blo...
( fast forward,) now God prefers to live there today.
Please leave things alone.
How are we going to get wages up when all projects are being canceled or reviewed.
Or maybe everyone should just get a check monthly from the government and do nothing.
Stop already .please.
People have a right to their opinion - informed or otherwise. I prefer people who have studied all aspects of this project, read the reports from experts (e.g., from the consultant to SFU, from the Burnaby Fire Department, from a world consultant to the City of Burnaby, economist Robyn Allan's various analyses, etc.), toured the hillside massive tank farm expansion area and the expansion of the Westridge terminal area to understand the magnitude of the proposal and its impact, recognize that there is no safe escape from the SFU area in the event of a tank farm fire or fume release, understand that there is no twinning in Burnaby, have reviewed the reputation of Kinder Morgan when it comes to spills and reneging on jobs, are aware of the impact that the expansion would have on the Vancouver harbor traffic, understand the toxicity and properties of diluted bitumen, and realize that the product is for export and not domestic use. Such informed people understand why this pipeline expansion location is the worst one possible and must be stopped. Location and alternative means of transporting product were outside of the scope of the NEB study.
Build it we need it and stop wasting our money with useless court battles.
Bob Clark if a GreeNDP alliance was on the ballot I would have voted for it. I couldn't be happier with the election results. The NDP can implement their platform and the Greens can provide a check/balance to both the NDP and Liberals if they try to do anything crazy. I oppose the pipeline for the risks it poses to the environment and also for the greenhouse gases produced by the final product. Leave the fossil fuels in the ground and invest in green energy. Citizens 50 years from now will be applauding the strong stance of this government.
This pipeline will never be built. Even KM know that. They are forging ahead in hopes that they can find a reason to win a law suit against the province. There is no need for this pipeline expansion. No market for the Dilbit. We will always need some oil but if we stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as we can; we will have enough to meet our needs for 500 years. Stop subsidizing - Cap it - Reclaim it and hold it as an asset for future generations.
The media needs to stop referring to the stuff going through the proposed pipes as oil. It's diluted bitumen, folks. There's no cleanup protocol and the chemical composition is a"trade secret". Look at the disaster in Kalamazoo - happened 7 years ago and still only 20% cleaned up!
The Kinder Morgan TransMountain pipeline has leaked or released fluids 82 times, with over a million litres lost in total.
The Second Narrows Bridge was damaged in a two freighter collision and would collapse, if it happened again. These AfraMax tankers carry a million plus barrels of bitumen, which is toxic and cannot be cleaned up, as Kalamazoo River residents found out.
The tanker traffic will increase 700% to 35 per month, more than one a day.
None of these products is for local usage, all is for export, only to Asia !
BC doesn't need any of that, nor the inevitable spills and leaks, never mind the crashes between ships and shores.
No – it's not in their jurisdiction.
I take issue with that right there. It is everyone jurisdiction when one industry runs roughshod over other industries. Just because Oil and Gas have bigger fund for lobbyist that get their way over other industries like tourism and fishing doesn't mean that it right that they get their way.
We have a right to fair representation, that can't happen as 'we the people' only have ourselves as lobbyist. That is why we have to resort to civil disobedience. That is our Lobby!
Not a single BC resident voted for an NDP/ Green alliance. There for they have no mandate to impose their opinions on us, and certainly not at our cost.
Okay so we shut down all the pipelines. Then what? Use solar wind and tidal to generate our energy uses? You will ramp up rare earth element mining (lithium pits are some of the most destructive in the world). Everything from the tires on the car to the frame to the silicon boards in the guidance systems to the factories created to pump out "renewable energy" and tech will create just as many CO emissions. Bicycles have to be welded and metals created in smeltering plants. I guess we could all just become hudderites. That's basically what it boils down to. Will you get rid of creature comforts and technology and go back to farming and living off the land to save the planet?
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Only 57 jobs for bc
This is a huge risk to BC. KinderMorgan showed pictures on TV of their ships going through open water, whereas the waters are filled with islands, reefs and treacherous tides. Burnaby firefighters' report states that increasing the tanks on Burnaby mountain could be catastrophic. If there was a fire with one road, everyone at Simon Fraser University would be trapped and the firefighters woould not be able to do anythng but let the fire burn. Read the report! Then the pipeline cannot be guaranteed not to leak and we DO live in an earthquake zone. There must be a better solution for jobs and industry than putting BC at such great risk. NO to the KinderMorgan expansion. Find a better solution!
Yeah okay go ahead and shut it off. Stupid shit is bitumen. No processing here. You want the real money put in a processing plant. This crap is going south to Texas. Put the goddamn pipeline south over the border and twin the one to Texas so some billionaire buddy of the Alberta and Canadian government can get richer off you. Oh and shutting off your pipeline to freeze us out is not a threat you idiots. Remember NO PROCESSING. While you are at it and you want some jobs get rid of the TFWs they are hiring. And why would we want to lose hundreds of jobs to create hundreds of ghost jobs for TFWs in Alberta and lose fishing grounds, have several hundred more tankers plying our waters, and those parked for days blocking the view from the Gulf Islands and all of their residual garbage and spillage in out strait ruining our crabbing, prawning, fishing and whale watching.
John Long since when has the NDP ever been a party for the blue collar workforce? They are there to keep the fentanyl crisis going by not letting the junkies kill themselves off weren't you around for their last run when they bankrupted this province and put everyone out of work?
lets get this built.Alberta needs it.Canada needs it. and BC needs it.
I can't believe the NDP , who were supposed to be the supporter of working people, can be so stupid on all of these energy projects. I think it is the environmental tails wagging the dog. They are making the BC Liberals look like geniuses.
If the new line is unsafe I guess they need to turn off all gas and oil lines, just to be safe because they are old. It is a good thing we have global warming because it can get cold in the winter when you have no furnaces or cars, but it will spur on those who want to drive to buy electric.
Where do the people think they are getting there gas for cars now, oil for transport trucks, heating oil. Do they think the NDP are God and bringing it to them with a pie in the sky. What they have is coming to,them by PIPELINE. I don't think people in BC were that stupid or in informed. Remember Ralph Kliens rant to Eastern Canada.....let the bas.....freeze in the dark. Perhaps Alberta should turn off the tap that feeds BC
They then may appreciate our industry. Do they not realize that oil is also a natural product. It has been seeping into the Athabasca river for hundreds of years before man was there. Think about it
Useless poll, you can refresh your screen and vote all day long, waste of energy but actually quite hilarious when you look at what the lead up to the poll discusses.
So why no court challenge on pipeline being built to VCR airport? If you're against one you've got to be against all.
So why no court challenge on pipeline being built to VCR airport? If you're against one you've got to be against all.
15,000 jobs? The company itself said 500 and only 50 of them permanent. Get a grip. Pipelines are about profit, not jobs. Most of the people hired will be temporary foreign workers.
I just wish some of you NDP people would start to think of where the future jobs for next generation are going to come from. It is not BC or Alberta It is Canada. We need not to be selfish but help each other. First Nations seem to be ok with this delaying because of them is just a fake reason to delay. Just the same as we seem to want to not cut trees or pollute water then you have all these forest fires and if you think this does not pollute you are stupid. All those trees get burned when if some had been cut and put to use - that would be better. I just wish all the tree hugers would give up their big trucks, ATV'S skidoo etc then tell me we do not need a pipeline. Until then use your common sense and go ahead with pipeline. Proceed with due diligence.
Jane Gibney filthy oil sands huh? All I see is another comment from a Facebook warrior who know nothing of canadas exports I bet you can't even find hard evidence that this oil is any less harmful to the environment than any other. Sure you'll come back and say well it's sour oil but what is the difference between sweet and sour oil? The Exxon Valdez was carrying sweet oil it's just as bad for the environment when spilled. How about the source country of most of the oil in Canada? Do you support Saudi Arabia? Do you support women's rights in Saudi Arabia? By buying their oil you are Canadas oil sands are extracted in the cleanest way possible and i know this because I have been there and seen the whole landscape up there not just one picture of a tailings pond, unlike most of vancouvers population that has never been north of Hope and feels they can competently weigh in on the situation. Everyone in Canada is a consumer of petroleum products wether you drive a car, use plastics or are investing in solar panels I'm proud of our Canadian oil and all Canadian natural resources being extracted and mined in an environmentally friendly fashion and the fact that a free nation can be so prosperous doing so. Now we get to see an unelected premier waste millions and millions fighting noble projects because he's so closed minded he cannot for the life of him understand where his cell phone came from. Props to the Vancouver Sun for being one of the few new sounds agencies looking at the story from both sides and stating when they have a personal opinion on the matter
Maybe Alberta should tell BC to ship all their products to eastern Canada a different route.
Why should we take a risk of a train derailment or a tanker spill through our province?
If you don't want to take the best interests of Canada into account then why should we?
Oh by the way, it's not BC's coastal waters, it's Canada's.
This is a fake poll! The Vancouver Sun is a biased rag ! Has been a major supporter of the BC liberals for years! I really doubt they have ever reported honestly about the oil lines! Or any news that might support a slightly left of centre view! They have consistently muzzled any attempt to bring a researched in depth report on the extreme dangers of this filthy oil sands export!