I only wish we could not just restrict, but ban the bitumen. As well, I would very much like to see a moratorium on the tankers that ply the inside passage.
Sandi Blankenship - 6 years ago
I'd like to know where this poll originated. It's seems a little weight to the pro side of the pipeline being rammed through BC to export CANADA'S oil to foreign shores. That is short sighted in itself. Keep the jobs, and control over valuable resources, in Canada. Do this while giving Canadians a better life and better jobs, instead of selling out Canada and jobs along with it.
Doug - 6 years ago
I can’t believe it every time the NDP takes over we can count on shit like this. I’m embarrassed to say I’m a British Columbian thanks Horgan you jerk
Chelsea Power - 6 years ago
Clean sustainable energy should be where we are directing our money. If Alberta oil cannot safely be transported through BC then they can go elsewhere. We are not even trying to fully stop the transportation... just trying to insure the future of BC's most valuable resources via a promise of responsible and sustainable transportation. Tar sands fracking big oil... these things are not in Canada's national interest. The national interest is the future of our lands, water, food, and air. Face up to It, environmentally and economically we have better areas to be directing money and our attention.
ewan quirk - 6 years ago
there is no clean up of a dil bit spill. best estimates going on recent history and industry's own figures would be in the order of 5%-8% on land and less on water. #nodilbitinthesalishsea #noalbertawines4me #noalbertawine4me
Wes - 6 years ago
Born in BC. I don’t understand why BC government wants BC to be thought the Same of as the Quebec. Two peas in the same pod. Give me give me give me, and nothing for anyone else.
Stephanie - 6 years ago
I was born & raised in Vancouver, then moved to Calgary to live for 24 years - 1992 - 2014... living in another place gives one a bigger, broader perspective. We start to see the world, our country & communities unfiltered, without blinders ...
I see the benefits of the pipeline .. unless /until we have an alternative energy source - it is our duty to use our natural resources to keep the world AND our economy running. This is NIMBY’ism... STRINGENT guidelines will keep the waters safe - this ENERGY/oil NEEDS to get to a diversified markets - we know we can’t have just the unstable US.as customers
I am proud of Justin Trudeau for not only staying in the townhall in Nanaimo when this hot topic came up - but also for standing up for Canada ????????- and for handling the townhall in a respectful way.
Wilber - 6 years ago
Don't be so stupid BC
Oilwillbewell - 6 years ago
Living in Dawson Creek we are heavily driven by oil and natural gas production. As well we have a large farmimg community. We are the Souths cash cow. You in the South need to take a long hard look at the products that you use in everyday life and where they come from. As well how did you you and your protester buddies get to the town hall meeting. I'm sure you didn't walk. Pipelines are the safest way to transport hydrocarbons. Trains are not. Move this Country forward and put more thought into what you are really protesting about.
Edwin - 6 years ago
Every time the NDP get elected in this province they take it back 2 steps. This time they are in co-hoots with the "power hungry" green threesome.
They threaten to stop site C, they cancel bridge tolls (stupid idea), delay the Massey Tunnel replacement (the Transportation minister lives on a remote island and probably has never been through the over crowded tunnel), and are now trying to change the voting system so small nuisance parties can claim seats.
Horrible Horgan must go.
Liz - 6 years ago
Your Government should take a look in your own backyard first. Dumping raw sewage in the Pacific Ocean! How disgusting is that.
Chris - 6 years ago
The poll clearly shows what the people want. The BC government needs to open up their eyes and spend their time on something useful.
Tammy - 6 years ago
The poll results clearly show that the majority don’t agree with the BC government's nonsense. It’s time for the vocal minority to shut up & realize that we are a resource driven economy. If you don’t like pipelines then turn the gas off at your house & quit driving a car. In other words, stop being a hypocrite.
Wally - 6 years ago
The poll results clearly show that the majority don’t agree with the NDP’s nonsense. It’s time for the vocal minority to shut up & realize that we are a resource driven economy. If you don’t like pipelines then turn the gas off at your house & quit driving a car. In other words, stop being a hypocrite.
Mike - 6 years ago
Can somebody please give me one logical reason that we don’t refine the oil here ? We import oil from Saudi Arabia and we purchase refined products from the U.S. Logic and common sense seems to have left the country.
S.P.Kushniruk - 6 years ago
Time to put the feet to fire by shutdown or imposing tax to anything & everything that cross Alberta into or from British Columbia.
Alberta oil and gas supports the entire country , even Justin has realized it and suggested it.
S.P.Kushniruk - 6 years ago
Time to put the feet to fire by shutdown or imposing tax to anything & everything that cross Alberta into or from British Columbia.
Alberta oil and gas supports the entire country , even Justin has realized it and suggested it.
dawn - 6 years ago
We spend our summers in our condo located in the interior of BC. Many of my relatives live in Vancouver. The level of understanding of the merits and economics of how the energy industry is beneficial and essential for continued growth of our country is minimal. It continues to amaze me how many people are so misinformed.
Yes, pipelines create jobs … insurance, emergency personnel, spill clean-up workers, paper towel/boom/fence manufacturing, reconstruction, rehabilitation, food services (to feed all the workers), health care, cancer diagnostic equipment, prescription drugs (particularly asthma inhalers), clean water suppliers, truck drivers, government oversight, journalists, ... to name just a few. BTW the oil & gas companies own the cleanup companies so they get paid either way.
Mike - 6 years ago
Not Notelys biggest fan regarding the oil portfolio which the NDP are so are inexperienced with...it was best left with the conservatives who knew what they were doing. but got to support her on this one. I lived on Vancouver Isand for most of forty years but could not find a decent job being average with college education.So came to Alberta which lifted my little family from near poverty to home owership. It seems B.C. is just for the weatlhy retired, rich newly weds and nearly deads with a nursing home and banks on every corner.
By blocking this you are throwing away much needed jobs in B.C to help famiies pay all that medical each month,rising insurance costs, housing in the stratoshere ,high taxes on everything. Being this is under under FEDERAL jurastiction I liken this behavior to the seditious and its flouts the right of all of us under the charter of freedoms and free trade across our provinces.
Marwin - 6 years ago
Only Canada doesn’t export oil in the international market. Only Canada sells her oil to one customer country. Only Canada had problem with shipping oil through a pipeline. WE ARE WASTING OUR RESOURCES BY SELLING IT THE CHEAPEST TO THE AMERICANS. Oh by the way, the US refines our oil and sell it back to us more expensive. Ah another one, they also help us export our oil via Texas. WAKE UP BC! The American propaganda machine is at work and your leaders have been brainwashed.
Joshua wasky - 6 years ago
looks like Kinder has bots. It is too funny that they are calling imposing safety regulations as unconstitutional.
Ted - 6 years ago
In case there is some doubt; I fully support the pipeline as the safest way to move the oil and trust that the unwise compromises currently hamstringing our provincial government will soon culminate in an election.
Leslie Madunic - 6 years ago
The pipeline will b good for Canada. The Americans have their big boats going up the inside passage of Vancouver island and the mainland and outside of the island for many, many years, shipping oil also . These nay sayers are not yelling at the USA about this, nothing is said for years. Ships are double hulled now . There should also be the refinery up north on the BC coast ,that a Mr. Black wanted to build so gas could be shipped. Canada needs to be a trading partner of the world ,not just the USA where the USA sets their price , and it is below world market prices. MAKE the Pipeline. YES, YES, YES.
Trevor Marr - 6 years ago
The PM of Canada approved KinderMorgan, then simply walked away and left it to the dogs! Any good Leader would approve, then endorse, support, stand up for this project and stand up for Reality! That is where PM Justin Trudeau is currently failing Canada. He needs to Publicly STAND UP for his decision and educate the Public and govern by REALITY.
Time is being wasted! The economy is being wasted! Our opportunities are being wasted!
Fact is, we need MORE safe, certified, inspected, maintained, known design-life pipelines in Canada to service our needs, not less!
Remind Justin and the NDP that Canada needs to build more new/certified/safe/known design-life pipelines and work together with America to effectively use our resources and supply and quality to meet MORE North American and World needs for fossil fuels. Working together, the World can be North America's Oilster! Ask him if he is working with President Trump to do this?
Ask Justin how he can Give $$$Billions away to Bombardier, the Auto Industry, Foreign Terrorist Countries freely without any Fugitive Emission Studies/delays, yet he crippled the successful, Canada benefitting Oil Industry by stalling the pipeline process with such restrictions. requirements and nonsense that the Oil Industry are walking away and investing elsewhere? Where is the Reality and Balance in the Federal Liberals?
Ask Trudeau and the BCNDP, where it the Warming Waldo? Oil/fossil fuels are used by everyone everywhere, for everything! His lack of support and ignoring of new, certified, safe, maintained, known design-life pipelines to service all Canada and access World Markets is costing Canada $$$Billions needlessly! Remind him!?
Ted - 6 years ago
We need to topple this government almost as badly as we need to charge our federal leader with TREASON for the callous lack of respect for our Constitution and Rights and Freedoms in Canada, Where did the same citizens go? We need to wake up and vote for our children and Grandchildren to have a fighting chance with some common sense restored to the helm of our Province and Nation. Wake up please.
My family has been here since 1777 on my dad's side and I am a Metis Indian on my mom's side and we need responsible government that will respect Family Values and the rights of Canadians to raise their children and build a future.
David - 6 years ago
I think this should be a 2 part poll. 2nd part being do you like in bc because if you don't live here a spill doesn't affect you. I still don't understand why we are exporting oil when we as a oil producing country rely on us imports of gasoline and Saudi Arabia oil for the gasoline we do refine. My understanding of how they get this stuff to flow in the pipelines is it is diluted with leftover chemicals from natural gas production and if a spill happens those chemicals are the first that evaporate then the bitumen solidifies and sinks if it is in water and turns into a concrete like substance. Let's reduce the risk and refine close to where it is produced creating jobs and more value for our natural resources.
Mark Jonnson - 6 years ago
Lets not forget the politics involved here. BC has a minority government supported by a Green party which could topple the government at any time. The BC NDP have no choice but to reject the pipeline or they will fi d themselves out of power. A dangerous idea because there is no guarantee the NDP and Greens could pull off another election win. BC needs to be careful on this issue. Payback is a bitch and whether BC likes it or not this project does have national significance. And killing the project will have serious consquences. Not the least hundreds of millions of dollars in litigation fees when Alberta and other provinces begin to bleed the BC government coffers via lawyers.
Joe - 6 years ago
This is not about studying anything. This is a tactic to delay in the hopes that enough delays will drive up the cost to the point where it isn't economic anymore. That is all this is about.
They KNOW they will lose in court but don't care since all they really want to do is delay construction.
Laine - 6 years ago
Why not let it go thru? if there ever is a spill they will make sure it is contained I do feel there need to be laws in place to ensure any release it paid for by whom ever is responsible ie the tanker or whomever owns the pipe depending on the spill but all this back lash and double dealing is going to make people angry lol I'd rather have the oil company be on my side than whine and complain until they go so over budget on the line if it has a release it will only be cleaned to current government standards not over and above
William - 6 years ago
Those billions are better spent on generating electricity here in BC for electric vehicles and the billions spent on alternative power will generate the same amount of tax as Alberta tar. And will employ more people across Canada instead of just Alberta. USA and China are moving quickly to alternative power.
Steve - 6 years ago
To all if you in the rest of Canada, it is a small but vocal minority that opposes this pipeline.
Ryan Dyjur - 6 years ago
Keep blocking production while supporting demand and consumption. There's no fault whatsoever in that line of reasoning.
Santiago E. - 6 years ago
The opposition’s question is there, they oppositors request information about spills. I have been in the industry long enough, and our core focus as engineers are to design, build, operate and maintain safe pipeline systems, however the risk of a spill due to a failure is there. What is the likehood of experiencing a spill? Hard to say, it is like asking you how long are you going to live? We can do our best efforts, however, you see, we are loosing the focus on the main task. We know that Canada needs that pipeline, and to export products to other markets. We need to have an active economy.
Ann - 6 years ago
It is obvious that Canada has so much infighting, we are almost at a standstill with regard to our oil. Because of oil production, Alberta has been carrying many of the other provinces for 50+ years. If Alberta goes down, we all go down. I think the other provinces need to be part of the solution, not the greatest hurdle a.k.a. the problem. All of these people who complain about pollution and oil spills are the first ones buying plasticware, driving vehicles, and using products that need oil. Anyone opposed to oil production and transport in Canada is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Iain - 6 years ago
The US are moving away from reliance on Canadian Oil as evident from the recent State of the Union speech. If Canada does not get it natural resources to foreign overseas markets our economy will effectively shut down. Oil is the largest economic contributor to Canada's economy by far. Unrealistic ideologies such as the ones the BC NDP are putting forth are damaging to Canada as a whole and unrealistic in the real world.
John N - 6 years ago
Almost everything we use is made from petrochemicals. Anyone who stops using those products can protest. Thousands of jobs and billions of dollars are being lost in BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan while US and offshore oil and gas come into Canada everyday. Meanwhile, Canada produces 2% of the worlds carbon, including all of its oil and gas production. Meanwhile, there is no planning on how to adjust our agricultural production as our climates shift, regardless if climate change is caused by humans, Mother Nature, or both.
Billy Joe - 6 years ago
BC worry about your opiates crisis which is killing 1,000’s. Get out of the way or get thrown in jail.
Nancy - 6 years ago
It’s time Vancouver and burnaby see B.C. as a full province. They are the only ones against it and therefor think they are THE Province. Stop holding this up ...or stop using period. A filthy, over rated, wet muggy infested crime city in one province should not have the full say in this matter.
Can’t help but think that something weird is really in the background of this whole thing.
Fred Schmidt - 6 years ago
It dam near time we worked as a country and not as individual provinces. If we do not act on this soon all the sales will go to the U. S. If that is what you want maybe you should move south. Alberta has still got a lot of unemployment due to the oil slump. We have sent money to the rest of Canada for years and now we need a little cooperation from Canada no one wants us. I guess we need to cut off the logs being shipped to B. C. To be processed. Another thing stop the tourists to B.C.
M - 6 years ago
The B.C. NDP Government floods the land of Native Ancestry at Site C.....ships Coal out of its Vancouver port to China....I guess it was about time they took a stand on the Environment and they were only willing to do it on the backs of someone else’s finances...Some piece of work John Horgan and the BCNDP turned out to be....Flip-Flop Politics of the worst kind...Lower than a Snakes Belly!
Dan - 6 years ago
We need to get our economy back and get our oil to tide water before the US takes all the sails and we broke
cjbrj - 6 years ago
It is time Alberta goes on the offensive. Put a toll at the B.C./Alberta border for everything being shipped across the country. As for Quebec stop the transfer payments. Each province wants to be independent and not work as a country as a whole. So BC should get off their high horse because Alberta could close down all shipments going east from BC.
UrsineDream - 6 years ago
Sorry this pipeline won't be happening. Think your upset about losing jobs in Alberta? How about living somewhere where most people make their jobs doing eco tourism -charter fishing ..and you want to do the most idiotic contrary thing to such a place and build yet another pipeline? Also we have people here who still literally live of the land and water...if there is a spill and there WILL be (this time carrying 7x the normal amout) It will ruin our way of life. Don't think for a second people here won't fight against it.
Bryan - 6 years ago
This pipeline expansion is worth an incremental $65 Billion per year to Alberta. $550,000 bbl/day at ~$65/bbl . 365 days/year. $13 Billion/ year to Alberta. The multiplier effect is about 5x. So the economic impact is $65 Billion/ year. Every year for the next 50 years . The taxes generated would be $20B /year.
No country on the planet would squander this opportunity
Jon mainers - 6 years ago
Trudiocchio and his clowns in Alta need to play in their own filthy sandbox.......no tankers & pipes here....no fish farms here....no bribes from foreigners, family & friends won't work in BC anymore......BCers now refuse to clean up your messes....all of you should be ashamed of yourselves and in jail......1821 you Lib/Conartists gave BC FN small pox Kaiden Hudson's Bay blankets.....you cancelled the potlatch in 1882-1951......you ordered the RCMP to kill off all pure bred husky dogs in the far north of FN......you clowns killed FN in Grassy Narrows......you almost killed off our wild salmon with Norwegian farms.......separation likely our way of getting rid of you colonists killing our people......stay east of the Rockies......gutless wonders all of you.....
Sam - 6 years ago
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Bill steinburg - 6 years ago
The BC government steady is the highest carbon politer in Canada with Exporting thousands of tons of coal for China and India to burn plus their sewer is rumped directly in to the ocean floor km out polluting the fish we eat. Both the greens and NDP are disgusting and the federal environmental minister should take action. They are not clean as they try to make out. My other question is are they a bunch of elected separatists from the rest of Canada under the umbrella of environmental pertection.
Scott - 6 years ago
I see some dangerously ignorant comments here by xtreme greens......when the next tsunami/earthquake hit BC coast i guess the rest of canada will be out of fuel or too poor to come to your aid......what goes around comes back around....
Josh - 6 years ago
BC doesn’t need or want a pipeline, the public has made that abundantly clear. Good for the coalition government on getting this one passed. Coastal BC is worth protecting.
mineconguy - 6 years ago
This kind of tit for tat dispute isn't going to get us anywhere as a country. The federal government has looked at this issue and approved the pipeline. You know BC does ship all kinds of dangerous things through Alberta,... including natural gas and all kind of other things by rail. What if Alberta shut down all shipments from BC? That would kill the ports business. The federal government would HAVE to step in,... but why do we need to escalate things. This is just all political B.S. by the coalition government. ugh.... so nasty. Aren't they supposed to work for the people not their self-interest? I'm not naive but this is just too obvious. amateurs.
Brian - 6 years ago
Unbelievable that is all I can say wake up BC
The Mawb - 6 years ago
B.C. is the latest barrier to the economic recovery of the CANADIAN oil & gas industry. I'm not a fan of Rachel Notley or her NDP komrades, but she is 100% right on this issue. This country is losing Billions in revenue and investment with each passing day that we allow vocal minority groups to derail the projects that will allow CANADA to get its product to market. The environmental groups that claim to be protecting our pristine waters are simply hired by US protectionist companies that are determined to keep Canadian oil from getting to market. That is a fact! They paddle out in their petrochemically created plastic kayaks and claim to be protecting our environment! They are posers, paid by US interest groups to prevent CANADA from getting our product to tidewater and selling it to other markets!!! The US wants to continue to buy our product at drastically reduced prices, and the US does not want competition from Canada! Anyone (Alan Monk) who can't see this for what it really is, should really educate themselves. I say we turn some valves and shut off the supply the next time it drops below -20C in B.C. or Quebec and wait for the phone to ring! These idiots are paid handsomely by US lobby groups to spew misinformation and protect US interests. Meanwhile, every other oil producing country sells their oil to the world market for $64 and we are forced to sell our oil to the US for $30 because we can't get to tidewater!
Frances - 6 years ago
So the BC government doesn't want THIS pipeline. What if the Alberta government cut off ALL pipelines to BC and - just as an additional measure - stopped all BC gas and oil from flowing via pipelines through Alberta?
Jimmie buffet - 6 years ago
Horgan and his pinko communist swine can go do something to themselves.
Alan Monk - 6 years ago
Before we start concluding that there is a new groundswell of BC support for Alberta's insistence on sending Bitumen through our province to our coastline...It should be noted that the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers send a mass email to all their supporters with a link for them to vote on this issue.
If the "loyal Canadian Citizens" - who seem to think that it's somehow patriotic to wholly support the processing of the bitumen into useable by products in OTHER countries - unshackled themselves from the self serving propaganda that comes from all the vested interests that back CAPP, we wouldn't be having this interprovincial tiff. Alberta: you are fully capable of processing your own bitumen. You don't need to send it to Louisiana, no matter what Exxon et al says... You're better than that. Let's scrape the raw bitumen off the land if need be and process it right in Alberta. BC would not have a problem if you were sending gas down the pipelines. And that way, you wouldn't have to import bazillions of gallons of diluent from the Middle East! This is never presented as an option because people with massive interests in cornering all aspects of the oil industry are controlling the scope of the conversation.
This action is cheap politics in action, and most likely unconstitutional and illegal. But it is an example of the low calibre of government we have in Victoria. Sigh!
magnet-o - 6 years ago
Really. Are we still talking about this? While the US is murdering us economically and holding our resource accounts hostage? Smarten up, or be crushed by a heavier (and dirtier) economic engine to the south. If you don't accept that this is our chance to gain an edge, then grab a green card and move south.
OMG - 6 years ago
If my memory is still remembering, wasn't it that an ole Canadian hockey game was used to settle some important issues in many towns and rinks across Canada?
Next Oilers vs Canucks.
That'll settle it.
Pst ( doc you spelt cheap rong)
Dale - 6 years ago
For the life of me I cannot comprehend how stupid our Governments are in making it almost impossible for our energy sector to get world market pricing for our products. How many people protesting pipelines actually avoid all the benefits we reap? I live in B.C. but I firmly believe that Alberta and Trans Mountain should sue the heck off of them, this is the opposite of good governance. Absolutely Insane Government. I also think the Federal Liberals adding Greenhouse gas components to the Energy East proposal in somewhat the same light, thou it was a proposal and not a project in active construction phase. Why are we as a country importing oil from the middle east while selling energy at steep discounts so our American friends can take a big slice of the pie that should belong to Canadians.
Dr. Samir Ghossein - 6 years ago
if we had the right government in Alberta, we would be environmentally friendly like the BC government, and shut the oil taps as well, and let the people of BC have cheep energy produced from NDP hot air
Norm - 6 years ago
This is not just a You Me issue! All levels of governments should work together. Canada his held captive to USA energy. USA exports oil while buying Canadian Oil at bargain price. Which hurts all levels of society. Jobs to Manufacturing to restaurants to hospitals.
Phil Besler - 6 years ago
I guess it’s time to ban any products that BC produces and wants to ship to the rest of Canada that passes through Alberta. That would definitely include electricity from Site C. We can generate our own power needs.
Their stand on this matter is an insult to all Canadians.
Michael - 6 years ago
This is political and it should be about rules, laws and regulations otherwise nothing will get done. You can’t go back after the fact!
Our railroads follow along the side of many of our major and most important rivers including the Fraser. Trais are not safer then pipelines and they carry very seriously toxic products. We should be looking at ship designs, railway car safety and pipeline safety. Laws that make the directors, not just workers of such companies liable and facing jail time for any breeches. Regardless what BC government is doing is not the way to do things.
John C - 6 years ago
We can no longer say "not in our back yard" we all use energy and if we can control a green friendly production, And in doing so we will have a positive in the world power production by reducing the need of using less green friendly productions from other countries
Dennis Schroh - 6 years ago
Lets get on with creating Jobs in Canada !!!!quite the fighting!!! Lets work together for All!!!!
Scott - 6 years ago
Why isn't there a "hell no". I think the simlest way to get other provinces to realize what Alberta actually does for them, despite being stopped at every turn by NIMBY's is to stop paying out our Transfer Payments. Not giving Quebec what 11Billion and even the $ BC gets and had gotten over the years will help our debt problems and maybe make Canada realize what we contribute.
Robert - 6 years ago
We cannot keep paying for health care, education, pensions, and welfare if we don't get taxes from exporting oil and gas.
It's a simple choice. If you want to continue having services and a good standard of living then vote for oil and gas exports. If you want service cuts of 30% to 40% by 2025 and a lower standard of living, then vote against oil and gas exports.
George Cameron - 6 years ago
I don’t believe any one Province has the right to make a decision which affects the economy of the whole country. Furthermore I think the people who want to stop or restrict the movement of our natural resources should not own a car, not travel on public transport or use the products they are against in any way. They have done enough damage to our economy already. The Federal Govt has given the green light to Kinder Morgan, so let’s get on with getting our natural resources to the world. I am a resident of BC, and proud to be so.
George Cameron
Brian Durrell - 6 years ago
All those opposed should be willing to give up they cars , buses, flying anywhere,boats and anything that has petroleum in it which includes 80% of manufactured goods better quit eating to as all farming uses oil
Gord - 6 years ago
Dr Bob As a likewise old fart I try not to respond to these comment sections but this time I had too. I kind of agree with you on polls so give you that one. Shipping oil to China - so why do we import Saudi oil on the east coast and you think that's more ethical than what we produce? Plus we import from the USA into the east also. That's' because while Obama opposed Keystone he approved close to 10 Keystone equivalents inside the USA. Now the USA is close to beating the Saudis and Russians in exports of oil to the world. I do agree with you about exporting resources and bringing back finished goods but the costs of developing and running refineries/petrochemical plants/manufacturing is difficult for our country to make it work in our economy (taxes, remote location). Tossing vehicles under the bus by millennials is something simplistic too. Time will tell on the economics of that with power needs and where that will come from. There is a lot of talk but not a real look at the numbers and costs "under the hood". As for the China tanker accident you way, way off. It was Iranian condensate not dilbit "The Sanchi tanker has on board 136,000 tonnes of condensate, which is an ultra-light version of crude oil" It burns off fast and evaporates. Also we don't import condensate or what you think is dilbit from Saudi. We have lots of condensate being produced here in Canada and a lot is used for diluent for our heavy oils - not tar. Also, while there are USA companies involved in the oil industry and oil sands there are many more hard working Canadian companies also and outnumber the Americans. These companies actually have been working hard to improve their environmental licences at the same time.
Frank - 6 years ago
I am an Albertan, made a career in oil sands raised educared two daughters successfully. Nicely retired thanks.
I truly feel that with all the debate about oil sands transport is going to hurt our next and future generations.
Don’t bother with comments on climates change it is always happening.
Ted shaw - 6 years ago
I hope Alberta stops shipping oil to bc and see how we manage without fuel
Nuradin Yagol - 6 years ago
Canadian Piplines are the safest and cleanest in the world when compared to the rest of the world, so there is no reason to stop an income generating pipe. And there is no environmental concern in what so ever. Please let people have some jobs
Mike herity - 6 years ago
The BC gov. should be more concerned with the quiet majority and tell the much more vocal minority to go pound sand. NC needs the jobs and tell these people to give up their F350’s, and everything else they own that relies on oil products.
Ron Drysdale - 6 years ago
Power corrupts.
This is all about political "posturing" by ... grrrr :)
I do not doubt the sincerity of the pipeline's opponents, but there comes a time when ideology is gonna cross-swords with pragmatism.
Welcome to The Real World.
Diana McAlister - 6 years ago
So Horgan and his team don’t want Alberta bitumen, yet they allow tankers from other countries in port and travel through our waters. So you know they are getting kick backs from those countries and nothing from our own country that is tje only reason they don’t want this pipeline. Just like all politicians they are crooked as hell
Rick Keating - 6 years ago
the needs on the many out weigh the needs of the few...we are supposed to be in confederation with all provinces...if you want something to complain about what don't you start on these satanic migrants coming into our country and sucking our infrastructure dry disguised as a religion of peace...there have been more people killed all over the world in their satan's name then any other person in recent history.
Lawrence Ransom - 6 years ago
The Federal Government should have negotiated the construction of refinery capacity in Alberta to refine the raw bitumen at source. The transport of much safer refined oil may have been more agreeable to British Columbians opposed to the current proposed shipment of more toxic raw bitumen via the Kinder Morgan Pipeline. The Feds dropped the ball on a reasonable and safer solution vs. political expediency.
Sonny - 6 years ago
Further proof that the tides brain washing only works on the people who don't work and have time to be the vocal minority.
Kevin Tompkins - 6 years ago
Alberta needs to shut the taps off BC caves in three days...Braindead morons shut it down with no viable alternative that's how these hypocrites work...Protesting oil in their petroleum based kayaks being paid by USA foundations who do want Canadian projects to go. Need more tide water access to supply our country and to create new markets and to final get full value also..
John - 6 years ago
I live in B.C. but disagree with this move by B.C.'s government.No province should be able to hurt the economy of another province or that of the country because of politics.Total B.S.If all the provinces behaved in such disregard for each other it would destroy the Country.
Dr. Bob - 6 years ago
Tom: How much do you know about the reliability of open "polls" to actually reflect public opinion? You seem to accept this set of figures as somehow an accurate measure of the "public" view.
Chuck: Shipping tar to China rather than processing it in Canada, so we can buy manufactured products back from China, all to benefit a US-owned oil company, should be enough to make any thinking Canadian object to this particular proposal - which is NOT, by the way opposing everything to do with the tar sands. The "...if you drive a vehicle ..." argument is an incredibly simplistic (and overused) argument more typically used by people who don't want to think about the real issues - which are many and complex.
Sea Dog: many millenials are passing on owning vehicles to which we old farts are somewhat addicted. But if a dilbit tanker has an accident, like the one that just happened in the sea off China, there will be No pristine ocean front for hundreds if not thousands of miles. Check the chemistry of dilbit. It should never be near any waterway, human habitation, or animal habitat. There are better ways to ship it, but that does not make bucks for pipeline companies, nor for companies like Saudi Arabia from whom we buy diluent.
Tom - 6 years ago
Again the NDP is out of touch with the public. Hardly surprising.
Chuck - 6 years ago
If you drive a vehicle that releases emissions into the atmosphere you cannot oppose anything to do with the “Tar Sands!”
Sea dog - 6 years ago
Many millennials are in Victoria ,BC. They can now reach much more pristine Canadian ocean front by vehicle than can the people in the lower mainland. A smart bunch of kids.
I only wish we could not just restrict, but ban the bitumen. As well, I would very much like to see a moratorium on the tankers that ply the inside passage.
I'd like to know where this poll originated. It's seems a little weight to the pro side of the pipeline being rammed through BC to export CANADA'S oil to foreign shores. That is short sighted in itself. Keep the jobs, and control over valuable resources, in Canada. Do this while giving Canadians a better life and better jobs, instead of selling out Canada and jobs along with it.
I can’t believe it every time the NDP takes over we can count on shit like this. I’m embarrassed to say I’m a British Columbian thanks Horgan you jerk
Clean sustainable energy should be where we are directing our money. If Alberta oil cannot safely be transported through BC then they can go elsewhere. We are not even trying to fully stop the transportation... just trying to insure the future of BC's most valuable resources via a promise of responsible and sustainable transportation. Tar sands fracking big oil... these things are not in Canada's national interest. The national interest is the future of our lands, water, food, and air. Face up to It, environmentally and economically we have better areas to be directing money and our attention.
there is no clean up of a dil bit spill. best estimates going on recent history and industry's own figures would be in the order of 5%-8% on land and less on water. #nodilbitinthesalishsea #noalbertawines4me #noalbertawine4me
Born in BC. I don’t understand why BC government wants BC to be thought the Same of as the Quebec. Two peas in the same pod. Give me give me give me, and nothing for anyone else.
I was born & raised in Vancouver, then moved to Calgary to live for 24 years - 1992 - 2014... living in another place gives one a bigger, broader perspective. We start to see the world, our country & communities unfiltered, without blinders ...
I see the benefits of the pipeline .. unless /until we have an alternative energy source - it is our duty to use our natural resources to keep the world AND our economy running. This is NIMBY’ism... STRINGENT guidelines will keep the waters safe - this ENERGY/oil NEEDS to get to a diversified markets - we know we can’t have just the unstable US.as customers
I am proud of Justin Trudeau for not only staying in the townhall in Nanaimo when this hot topic came up - but also for standing up for Canada ????????- and for handling the townhall in a respectful way.
Don't be so stupid BC
Living in Dawson Creek we are heavily driven by oil and natural gas production. As well we have a large farmimg community. We are the Souths cash cow. You in the South need to take a long hard look at the products that you use in everyday life and where they come from. As well how did you you and your protester buddies get to the town hall meeting. I'm sure you didn't walk. Pipelines are the safest way to transport hydrocarbons. Trains are not. Move this Country forward and put more thought into what you are really protesting about.
Every time the NDP get elected in this province they take it back 2 steps. This time they are in co-hoots with the "power hungry" green threesome.
They threaten to stop site C, they cancel bridge tolls (stupid idea), delay the Massey Tunnel replacement (the Transportation minister lives on a remote island and probably has never been through the over crowded tunnel), and are now trying to change the voting system so small nuisance parties can claim seats.
Horrible Horgan must go.
Your Government should take a look in your own backyard first. Dumping raw sewage in the Pacific Ocean! How disgusting is that.
The poll clearly shows what the people want. The BC government needs to open up their eyes and spend their time on something useful.
The poll results clearly show that the majority don’t agree with the BC government's nonsense. It’s time for the vocal minority to shut up & realize that we are a resource driven economy. If you don’t like pipelines then turn the gas off at your house & quit driving a car. In other words, stop being a hypocrite.
The poll results clearly show that the majority don’t agree with the NDP’s nonsense. It’s time for the vocal minority to shut up & realize that we are a resource driven economy. If you don’t like pipelines then turn the gas off at your house & quit driving a car. In other words, stop being a hypocrite.
Can somebody please give me one logical reason that we don’t refine the oil here ? We import oil from Saudi Arabia and we purchase refined products from the U.S. Logic and common sense seems to have left the country.
Time to put the feet to fire by shutdown or imposing tax to anything & everything that cross Alberta into or from British Columbia.
Alberta oil and gas supports the entire country , even Justin has realized it and suggested it.
Time to put the feet to fire by shutdown or imposing tax to anything & everything that cross Alberta into or from British Columbia.
Alberta oil and gas supports the entire country , even Justin has realized it and suggested it.
We spend our summers in our condo located in the interior of BC. Many of my relatives live in Vancouver. The level of understanding of the merits and economics of how the energy industry is beneficial and essential for continued growth of our country is minimal. It continues to amaze me how many people are so misinformed.
Yes, pipelines create jobs … insurance, emergency personnel, spill clean-up workers, paper towel/boom/fence manufacturing, reconstruction, rehabilitation, food services (to feed all the workers), health care, cancer diagnostic equipment, prescription drugs (particularly asthma inhalers), clean water suppliers, truck drivers, government oversight, journalists, ... to name just a few. BTW the oil & gas companies own the cleanup companies so they get paid either way.
Not Notelys biggest fan regarding the oil portfolio which the NDP are so are inexperienced with...it was best left with the conservatives who knew what they were doing. but got to support her on this one. I lived on Vancouver Isand for most of forty years but could not find a decent job being average with college education.So came to Alberta which lifted my little family from near poverty to home owership. It seems B.C. is just for the weatlhy retired, rich newly weds and nearly deads with a nursing home and banks on every corner.
By blocking this you are throwing away much needed jobs in B.C to help famiies pay all that medical each month,rising insurance costs, housing in the stratoshere ,high taxes on everything. Being this is under under FEDERAL jurastiction I liken this behavior to the seditious and its flouts the right of all of us under the charter of freedoms and free trade across our provinces.
Only Canada doesn’t export oil in the international market. Only Canada sells her oil to one customer country. Only Canada had problem with shipping oil through a pipeline. WE ARE WASTING OUR RESOURCES BY SELLING IT THE CHEAPEST TO THE AMERICANS. Oh by the way, the US refines our oil and sell it back to us more expensive. Ah another one, they also help us export our oil via Texas. WAKE UP BC! The American propaganda machine is at work and your leaders have been brainwashed.
looks like Kinder has bots. It is too funny that they are calling imposing safety regulations as unconstitutional.
In case there is some doubt; I fully support the pipeline as the safest way to move the oil and trust that the unwise compromises currently hamstringing our provincial government will soon culminate in an election.
The pipeline will b good for Canada. The Americans have their big boats going up the inside passage of Vancouver island and the mainland and outside of the island for many, many years, shipping oil also . These nay sayers are not yelling at the USA about this, nothing is said for years. Ships are double hulled now . There should also be the refinery up north on the BC coast ,that a Mr. Black wanted to build so gas could be shipped. Canada needs to be a trading partner of the world ,not just the USA where the USA sets their price , and it is below world market prices. MAKE the Pipeline. YES, YES, YES.
The PM of Canada approved KinderMorgan, then simply walked away and left it to the dogs! Any good Leader would approve, then endorse, support, stand up for this project and stand up for Reality! That is where PM Justin Trudeau is currently failing Canada. He needs to Publicly STAND UP for his decision and educate the Public and govern by REALITY.
Time is being wasted! The economy is being wasted! Our opportunities are being wasted!
Fact is, we need MORE safe, certified, inspected, maintained, known design-life pipelines in Canada to service our needs, not less!
Remind Justin and the NDP that Canada needs to build more new/certified/safe/known design-life pipelines and work together with America to effectively use our resources and supply and quality to meet MORE North American and World needs for fossil fuels. Working together, the World can be North America's Oilster! Ask him if he is working with President Trump to do this?
Ask Justin how he can Give $$$Billions away to Bombardier, the Auto Industry, Foreign Terrorist Countries freely without any Fugitive Emission Studies/delays, yet he crippled the successful, Canada benefitting Oil Industry by stalling the pipeline process with such restrictions. requirements and nonsense that the Oil Industry are walking away and investing elsewhere? Where is the Reality and Balance in the Federal Liberals?
Ask Trudeau and the BCNDP, where it the Warming Waldo? Oil/fossil fuels are used by everyone everywhere, for everything! His lack of support and ignoring of new, certified, safe, maintained, known design-life pipelines to service all Canada and access World Markets is costing Canada $$$Billions needlessly! Remind him!?
We need to topple this government almost as badly as we need to charge our federal leader with TREASON for the callous lack of respect for our Constitution and Rights and Freedoms in Canada, Where did the same citizens go? We need to wake up and vote for our children and Grandchildren to have a fighting chance with some common sense restored to the helm of our Province and Nation. Wake up please.
My family has been here since 1777 on my dad's side and I am a Metis Indian on my mom's side and we need responsible government that will respect Family Values and the rights of Canadians to raise their children and build a future.
I think this should be a 2 part poll. 2nd part being do you like in bc because if you don't live here a spill doesn't affect you. I still don't understand why we are exporting oil when we as a oil producing country rely on us imports of gasoline and Saudi Arabia oil for the gasoline we do refine. My understanding of how they get this stuff to flow in the pipelines is it is diluted with leftover chemicals from natural gas production and if a spill happens those chemicals are the first that evaporate then the bitumen solidifies and sinks if it is in water and turns into a concrete like substance. Let's reduce the risk and refine close to where it is produced creating jobs and more value for our natural resources.
Lets not forget the politics involved here. BC has a minority government supported by a Green party which could topple the government at any time. The BC NDP have no choice but to reject the pipeline or they will fi d themselves out of power. A dangerous idea because there is no guarantee the NDP and Greens could pull off another election win. BC needs to be careful on this issue. Payback is a bitch and whether BC likes it or not this project does have national significance. And killing the project will have serious consquences. Not the least hundreds of millions of dollars in litigation fees when Alberta and other provinces begin to bleed the BC government coffers via lawyers.
This is not about studying anything. This is a tactic to delay in the hopes that enough delays will drive up the cost to the point where it isn't economic anymore. That is all this is about.
They KNOW they will lose in court but don't care since all they really want to do is delay construction.
Why not let it go thru? if there ever is a spill they will make sure it is contained I do feel there need to be laws in place to ensure any release it paid for by whom ever is responsible ie the tanker or whomever owns the pipe depending on the spill but all this back lash and double dealing is going to make people angry lol I'd rather have the oil company be on my side than whine and complain until they go so over budget on the line if it has a release it will only be cleaned to current government standards not over and above
Those billions are better spent on generating electricity here in BC for electric vehicles and the billions spent on alternative power will generate the same amount of tax as Alberta tar. And will employ more people across Canada instead of just Alberta. USA and China are moving quickly to alternative power.
To all if you in the rest of Canada, it is a small but vocal minority that opposes this pipeline.
Keep blocking production while supporting demand and consumption. There's no fault whatsoever in that line of reasoning.
The opposition’s question is there, they oppositors request information about spills. I have been in the industry long enough, and our core focus as engineers are to design, build, operate and maintain safe pipeline systems, however the risk of a spill due to a failure is there. What is the likehood of experiencing a spill? Hard to say, it is like asking you how long are you going to live? We can do our best efforts, however, you see, we are loosing the focus on the main task. We know that Canada needs that pipeline, and to export products to other markets. We need to have an active economy.
It is obvious that Canada has so much infighting, we are almost at a standstill with regard to our oil. Because of oil production, Alberta has been carrying many of the other provinces for 50+ years. If Alberta goes down, we all go down. I think the other provinces need to be part of the solution, not the greatest hurdle a.k.a. the problem. All of these people who complain about pollution and oil spills are the first ones buying plasticware, driving vehicles, and using products that need oil. Anyone opposed to oil production and transport in Canada is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
The US are moving away from reliance on Canadian Oil as evident from the recent State of the Union speech. If Canada does not get it natural resources to foreign overseas markets our economy will effectively shut down. Oil is the largest economic contributor to Canada's economy by far. Unrealistic ideologies such as the ones the BC NDP are putting forth are damaging to Canada as a whole and unrealistic in the real world.
Almost everything we use is made from petrochemicals. Anyone who stops using those products can protest. Thousands of jobs and billions of dollars are being lost in BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan while US and offshore oil and gas come into Canada everyday. Meanwhile, Canada produces 2% of the worlds carbon, including all of its oil and gas production. Meanwhile, there is no planning on how to adjust our agricultural production as our climates shift, regardless if climate change is caused by humans, Mother Nature, or both.
BC worry about your opiates crisis which is killing 1,000’s. Get out of the way or get thrown in jail.
It’s time Vancouver and burnaby see B.C. as a full province. They are the only ones against it and therefor think they are THE Province. Stop holding this up ...or stop using period. A filthy, over rated, wet muggy infested crime city in one province should not have the full say in this matter.
Can’t help but think that something weird is really in the background of this whole thing.
It dam near time we worked as a country and not as individual provinces. If we do not act on this soon all the sales will go to the U. S. If that is what you want maybe you should move south. Alberta has still got a lot of unemployment due to the oil slump. We have sent money to the rest of Canada for years and now we need a little cooperation from Canada no one wants us. I guess we need to cut off the logs being shipped to B. C. To be processed. Another thing stop the tourists to B.C.
The B.C. NDP Government floods the land of Native Ancestry at Site C.....ships Coal out of its Vancouver port to China....I guess it was about time they took a stand on the Environment and they were only willing to do it on the backs of someone else’s finances...Some piece of work John Horgan and the BCNDP turned out to be....Flip-Flop Politics of the worst kind...Lower than a Snakes Belly!
We need to get our economy back and get our oil to tide water before the US takes all the sails and we broke
It is time Alberta goes on the offensive. Put a toll at the B.C./Alberta border for everything being shipped across the country. As for Quebec stop the transfer payments. Each province wants to be independent and not work as a country as a whole. So BC should get off their high horse because Alberta could close down all shipments going east from BC.
Sorry this pipeline won't be happening. Think your upset about losing jobs in Alberta? How about living somewhere where most people make their jobs doing eco tourism -charter fishing ..and you want to do the most idiotic contrary thing to such a place and build yet another pipeline? Also we have people here who still literally live of the land and water...if there is a spill and there WILL be (this time carrying 7x the normal amout) It will ruin our way of life. Don't think for a second people here won't fight against it.
This pipeline expansion is worth an incremental $65 Billion per year to Alberta. $550,000 bbl/day at ~$65/bbl . 365 days/year. $13 Billion/ year to Alberta. The multiplier effect is about 5x. So the economic impact is $65 Billion/ year. Every year for the next 50 years . The taxes generated would be $20B /year.
No country on the planet would squander this opportunity
Trudiocchio and his clowns in Alta need to play in their own filthy sandbox.......no tankers & pipes here....no fish farms here....no bribes from foreigners, family & friends won't work in BC anymore......BCers now refuse to clean up your messes....all of you should be ashamed of yourselves and in jail......1821 you Lib/Conartists gave BC FN small pox Kaiden Hudson's Bay blankets.....you cancelled the potlatch in 1882-1951......you ordered the RCMP to kill off all pure bred husky dogs in the far north of FN......you clowns killed FN in Grassy Narrows......you almost killed off our wild salmon with Norwegian farms.......separation likely our way of getting rid of you colonists killing our people......stay east of the Rockies......gutless wonders all of you.....
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The BC government steady is the highest carbon politer in Canada with Exporting thousands of tons of coal for China and India to burn plus their sewer is rumped directly in to the ocean floor km out polluting the fish we eat. Both the greens and NDP are disgusting and the federal environmental minister should take action. They are not clean as they try to make out. My other question is are they a bunch of elected separatists from the rest of Canada under the umbrella of environmental pertection.
I see some dangerously ignorant comments here by xtreme greens......when the next tsunami/earthquake hit BC coast i guess the rest of canada will be out of fuel or too poor to come to your aid......what goes around comes back around....
BC doesn’t need or want a pipeline, the public has made that abundantly clear. Good for the coalition government on getting this one passed. Coastal BC is worth protecting.
This kind of tit for tat dispute isn't going to get us anywhere as a country. The federal government has looked at this issue and approved the pipeline. You know BC does ship all kinds of dangerous things through Alberta,... including natural gas and all kind of other things by rail. What if Alberta shut down all shipments from BC? That would kill the ports business. The federal government would HAVE to step in,... but why do we need to escalate things. This is just all political B.S. by the coalition government. ugh.... so nasty. Aren't they supposed to work for the people not their self-interest? I'm not naive but this is just too obvious. amateurs.
Unbelievable that is all I can say wake up BC
B.C. is the latest barrier to the economic recovery of the CANADIAN oil & gas industry. I'm not a fan of Rachel Notley or her NDP komrades, but she is 100% right on this issue. This country is losing Billions in revenue and investment with each passing day that we allow vocal minority groups to derail the projects that will allow CANADA to get its product to market. The environmental groups that claim to be protecting our pristine waters are simply hired by US protectionist companies that are determined to keep Canadian oil from getting to market. That is a fact! They paddle out in their petrochemically created plastic kayaks and claim to be protecting our environment! They are posers, paid by US interest groups to prevent CANADA from getting our product to tidewater and selling it to other markets!!! The US wants to continue to buy our product at drastically reduced prices, and the US does not want competition from Canada! Anyone (Alan Monk) who can't see this for what it really is, should really educate themselves. I say we turn some valves and shut off the supply the next time it drops below -20C in B.C. or Quebec and wait for the phone to ring! These idiots are paid handsomely by US lobby groups to spew misinformation and protect US interests. Meanwhile, every other oil producing country sells their oil to the world market for $64 and we are forced to sell our oil to the US for $30 because we can't get to tidewater!
So the BC government doesn't want THIS pipeline. What if the Alberta government cut off ALL pipelines to BC and - just as an additional measure - stopped all BC gas and oil from flowing via pipelines through Alberta?
Horgan and his pinko communist swine can go do something to themselves.
Before we start concluding that there is a new groundswell of BC support for Alberta's insistence on sending Bitumen through our province to our coastline...It should be noted that the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers send a mass email to all their supporters with a link for them to vote on this issue.
If the "loyal Canadian Citizens" - who seem to think that it's somehow patriotic to wholly support the processing of the bitumen into useable by products in OTHER countries - unshackled themselves from the self serving propaganda that comes from all the vested interests that back CAPP, we wouldn't be having this interprovincial tiff. Alberta: you are fully capable of processing your own bitumen. You don't need to send it to Louisiana, no matter what Exxon et al says... You're better than that. Let's scrape the raw bitumen off the land if need be and process it right in Alberta. BC would not have a problem if you were sending gas down the pipelines. And that way, you wouldn't have to import bazillions of gallons of diluent from the Middle East! This is never presented as an option because people with massive interests in cornering all aspects of the oil industry are controlling the scope of the conversation.
This action is cheap politics in action, and most likely unconstitutional and illegal. But it is an example of the low calibre of government we have in Victoria. Sigh!
Really. Are we still talking about this? While the US is murdering us economically and holding our resource accounts hostage? Smarten up, or be crushed by a heavier (and dirtier) economic engine to the south. If you don't accept that this is our chance to gain an edge, then grab a green card and move south.
If my memory is still remembering, wasn't it that an ole Canadian hockey game was used to settle some important issues in many towns and rinks across Canada?
Next Oilers vs Canucks.
That'll settle it.
Pst ( doc you spelt cheap rong)
For the life of me I cannot comprehend how stupid our Governments are in making it almost impossible for our energy sector to get world market pricing for our products. How many people protesting pipelines actually avoid all the benefits we reap? I live in B.C. but I firmly believe that Alberta and Trans Mountain should sue the heck off of them, this is the opposite of good governance. Absolutely Insane Government. I also think the Federal Liberals adding Greenhouse gas components to the Energy East proposal in somewhat the same light, thou it was a proposal and not a project in active construction phase. Why are we as a country importing oil from the middle east while selling energy at steep discounts so our American friends can take a big slice of the pie that should belong to Canadians.
if we had the right government in Alberta, we would be environmentally friendly like the BC government, and shut the oil taps as well, and let the people of BC have cheep energy produced from NDP hot air
This is not just a You Me issue! All levels of governments should work together. Canada his held captive to USA energy. USA exports oil while buying Canadian Oil at bargain price. Which hurts all levels of society. Jobs to Manufacturing to restaurants to hospitals.
I guess it’s time to ban any products that BC produces and wants to ship to the rest of Canada that passes through Alberta. That would definitely include electricity from Site C. We can generate our own power needs.
Their stand on this matter is an insult to all Canadians.
This is political and it should be about rules, laws and regulations otherwise nothing will get done. You can’t go back after the fact!
Our railroads follow along the side of many of our major and most important rivers including the Fraser. Trais are not safer then pipelines and they carry very seriously toxic products. We should be looking at ship designs, railway car safety and pipeline safety. Laws that make the directors, not just workers of such companies liable and facing jail time for any breeches. Regardless what BC government is doing is not the way to do things.
We can no longer say "not in our back yard" we all use energy and if we can control a green friendly production, And in doing so we will have a positive in the world power production by reducing the need of using less green friendly productions from other countries
Lets get on with creating Jobs in Canada !!!!quite the fighting!!! Lets work together for All!!!!
Why isn't there a "hell no". I think the simlest way to get other provinces to realize what Alberta actually does for them, despite being stopped at every turn by NIMBY's is to stop paying out our Transfer Payments. Not giving Quebec what 11Billion and even the $ BC gets and had gotten over the years will help our debt problems and maybe make Canada realize what we contribute.
We cannot keep paying for health care, education, pensions, and welfare if we don't get taxes from exporting oil and gas.
It's a simple choice. If you want to continue having services and a good standard of living then vote for oil and gas exports. If you want service cuts of 30% to 40% by 2025 and a lower standard of living, then vote against oil and gas exports.
I don’t believe any one Province has the right to make a decision which affects the economy of the whole country. Furthermore I think the people who want to stop or restrict the movement of our natural resources should not own a car, not travel on public transport or use the products they are against in any way. They have done enough damage to our economy already. The Federal Govt has given the green light to Kinder Morgan, so let’s get on with getting our natural resources to the world. I am a resident of BC, and proud to be so.
George Cameron
All those opposed should be willing to give up they cars , buses, flying anywhere,boats and anything that has petroleum in it which includes 80% of manufactured goods better quit eating to as all farming uses oil
Dr Bob As a likewise old fart I try not to respond to these comment sections but this time I had too. I kind of agree with you on polls so give you that one. Shipping oil to China - so why do we import Saudi oil on the east coast and you think that's more ethical than what we produce? Plus we import from the USA into the east also. That's' because while Obama opposed Keystone he approved close to 10 Keystone equivalents inside the USA. Now the USA is close to beating the Saudis and Russians in exports of oil to the world. I do agree with you about exporting resources and bringing back finished goods but the costs of developing and running refineries/petrochemical plants/manufacturing is difficult for our country to make it work in our economy (taxes, remote location). Tossing vehicles under the bus by millennials is something simplistic too. Time will tell on the economics of that with power needs and where that will come from. There is a lot of talk but not a real look at the numbers and costs "under the hood". As for the China tanker accident you way, way off. It was Iranian condensate not dilbit "The Sanchi tanker has on board 136,000 tonnes of condensate, which is an ultra-light version of crude oil" It burns off fast and evaporates. Also we don't import condensate or what you think is dilbit from Saudi. We have lots of condensate being produced here in Canada and a lot is used for diluent for our heavy oils - not tar. Also, while there are USA companies involved in the oil industry and oil sands there are many more hard working Canadian companies also and outnumber the Americans. These companies actually have been working hard to improve their environmental licences at the same time.
I am an Albertan, made a career in oil sands raised educared two daughters successfully. Nicely retired thanks.
I truly feel that with all the debate about oil sands transport is going to hurt our next and future generations.
Don’t bother with comments on climates change it is always happening.
I hope Alberta stops shipping oil to bc and see how we manage without fuel
Canadian Piplines are the safest and cleanest in the world when compared to the rest of the world, so there is no reason to stop an income generating pipe. And there is no environmental concern in what so ever. Please let people have some jobs
The BC gov. should be more concerned with the quiet majority and tell the much more vocal minority to go pound sand. NC needs the jobs and tell these people to give up their F350’s, and everything else they own that relies on oil products.
Power corrupts.
This is all about political "posturing" by ... grrrr :)
I do not doubt the sincerity of the pipeline's opponents, but there comes a time when ideology is gonna cross-swords with pragmatism.
Welcome to The Real World.
So Horgan and his team don’t want Alberta bitumen, yet they allow tankers from other countries in port and travel through our waters. So you know they are getting kick backs from those countries and nothing from our own country that is tje only reason they don’t want this pipeline. Just like all politicians they are crooked as hell
the needs on the many out weigh the needs of the few...we are supposed to be in confederation with all provinces...if you want something to complain about what don't you start on these satanic migrants coming into our country and sucking our infrastructure dry disguised as a religion of peace...there have been more people killed all over the world in their satan's name then any other person in recent history.
The Federal Government should have negotiated the construction of refinery capacity in Alberta to refine the raw bitumen at source. The transport of much safer refined oil may have been more agreeable to British Columbians opposed to the current proposed shipment of more toxic raw bitumen via the Kinder Morgan Pipeline. The Feds dropped the ball on a reasonable and safer solution vs. political expediency.
Further proof that the tides brain washing only works on the people who don't work and have time to be the vocal minority.
Alberta needs to shut the taps off BC caves in three days...Braindead morons shut it down with no viable alternative that's how these hypocrites work...Protesting oil in their petroleum based kayaks being paid by USA foundations who do want Canadian projects to go. Need more tide water access to supply our country and to create new markets and to final get full value also..
I live in B.C. but disagree with this move by B.C.'s government.No province should be able to hurt the economy of another province or that of the country because of politics.Total B.S.If all the provinces behaved in such disregard for each other it would destroy the Country.
Tom: How much do you know about the reliability of open "polls" to actually reflect public opinion? You seem to accept this set of figures as somehow an accurate measure of the "public" view.
Chuck: Shipping tar to China rather than processing it in Canada, so we can buy manufactured products back from China, all to benefit a US-owned oil company, should be enough to make any thinking Canadian object to this particular proposal - which is NOT, by the way opposing everything to do with the tar sands. The "...if you drive a vehicle ..." argument is an incredibly simplistic (and overused) argument more typically used by people who don't want to think about the real issues - which are many and complex.
Sea Dog: many millenials are passing on owning vehicles to which we old farts are somewhat addicted. But if a dilbit tanker has an accident, like the one that just happened in the sea off China, there will be No pristine ocean front for hundreds if not thousands of miles. Check the chemistry of dilbit. It should never be near any waterway, human habitation, or animal habitat. There are better ways to ship it, but that does not make bucks for pipeline companies, nor for companies like Saudi Arabia from whom we buy diluent.
Again the NDP is out of touch with the public. Hardly surprising.
If you drive a vehicle that releases emissions into the atmosphere you cannot oppose anything to do with the “Tar Sands!”
Many millennials are in Victoria ,BC. They can now reach much more pristine Canadian ocean front by vehicle than can the people in the lower mainland. A smart bunch of kids.