fuck coughlin tell his ass to stay in new york with that cry baby ass shit
Lionswinnextyear - 12 years ago
If teams want to stop the Bucs from doing this then they can pull a Dan Marino whenever they are in victory formation against them and run up the score. If teams know they are going to do this then they need to prepare. I do agree that if it is done when there is no chance to win it is a bush move. Otherwise it's try to win til the final whistle.
giz - 12 years ago
Anyone who said this is wrong is not thinking straight. Play to the end. The offense doesn't want to punt the ball back to the defense. So the QB takes the snap, stands up, sometimes backs up a few steps then slowly kneels or hesitates to put his knee down to take as many seconds off the clock as he can. What a pussy move!!!!! play the game to the end. It's been like this for years. It's about time someone had the balls to do it. Good for him.
Gowhitten - 12 years ago
Good for Schiano.! I pay for 60 munutes of football, not 59:55 minutes. Anything can happen in 5 seconds.
Dave - 12 years ago
When teams are down by 2 scores, with seconds left, they still try onside kicks, hailmarys with no reguard for possible injury to either side. Why should a team just accept defeat when there's still a possiblity of getting the ball back . What would be said today if a botched snap occured and the Bucs were just standing there watching it happen.
Jeff Stern - 12 years ago
For those that talk about Joe Piscarcek and the fumble, well that was a lateral and not a kneel down play.. not the same thing at all. Can anyone recall and identify any quarterback who did a last second kneel down and lost a fumble? Can anyone point out a play where the defense forced a fumble and recovered it,on a kneel down, and then go on to score and win a game. Personally i can't remember a single time this has happened...
bluntsworth - 12 years ago
In the end of the fourth quarter the Giants ran a kneel down to end the first half and Schiano didn't instruct his players to play in such a manner. Either play like that on every kneel down or don't do it at all. Put it on tape so the opponent can brace themselves. He was just frustrated and emasculated because Eli took his manhood out in the second half and slapped his team a cross the face with it. I normally don't like teams that run up the score such as the Patriots and the Saints, but I am going to enjoy watching the Saints dropping 60 on him several times for the next three years. I say three years because thats how long I marginal coach like him lasts before he gets fired. I expect him to be coaching a junior varsity team by the time Eli retires. By the way, running a play like that on the junior varsity high school level would still be very pathetic.
Steve - 12 years ago
It goes both ways....I remember Dan Marino back in the 90's was going to pretend to spike the ball to stop the clock...instead he fakes the spike and throws a TD pass while EVERYONE, including most dolphins players were just standing around. I agree that it is not ethical to do that and maybe even wrong....but by NFL rules, Tampa was in their right to do what they did.
Stuck at Work - 12 years ago
Why even have the plays if not for the chance of something going wrong, or the opportunity to help it go wrong. Down by 7 with 1:35 left, why even snap at all unless you are giving the ability for chance to influence the outcome. It should not be ceremonial to let the clock run out. Miracle at the Meadowlands. Play to the whistle.
john - 12 years ago
Wrong. Period. Why?
The offense viewed it as wrong to fire into the defense. Because that is the cultural norm. It is not a rule enforced by the NFL, but expected behavior enforced by the players themselves. Like respecting veterans in the locker room. If only one side decides to break this unwritten rule, without notice, they have an unfair advantage. In fact it is a sleazy way of cheating, because they knew with 100% certainty that the Giants were not going to be in a position to defend themselves. So it is a form of cheating. It is taking advantage of accepted behavior for ones own selfish gain. It is morally wrong.
So now, every team has to decide when they are killing the clock, if they can trust the defense not to fire at their knees. If they can't trust the defense to follow the rules, then offense must fire first. Now what if the defense isn't expecting it. The offense just looks like jerks, but really they have no choice. This is why cultural norms are so important.
Turk - 12 years ago
Before answering this question, I had to check the score and see where the line of scrimmage was on the play. It was on the NYG 30 yard line with Tampa down by 7. This means that if Tampa recovered a fumble, they were within 30 yards of the end zone, would have one play left, and could have tied the game with a touchdown pass (or defense could have returned the fumble). That makes a difference to me. True the chances of that happening are slimmer than slim, but the chance of a positive outcome is there. Just ask Joe Pisarcek about his bobbled handoff to Larry Csonka versus the Eagles in 1978. Herm Edwards returned it for a TD. And holy irony batman -- that Piscarcek bobbled fumbled occured on the NYG 29 yard line (which is where Manning was called down). So they were in the same place. If Tampa was down two scores -- that would have been a bush league play.
GREGGOLD2 - 12 years ago
I used to have a lot of respect for Schiano and the program he built at Rutgers. This shows he isn't ready for the NFL yet. He has assistant coaches that know the difference between College play and the NFL. Maybe he should listen to their advise. If I was a defensive player on the Bucaneers I would be pretty concerned about how other teams are going to react to that nonsense
GREGGOLD2 - 12 years ago
I used to have a lot of respect for Schiano and the program he built at Rutgers. This shows he isn't ready for the NFL yet. He has assistant coaches that know the difference between College play and the NFL. Maybe he should listen to their advise. If I was a defensive player on the Bucaneers I would be pretty concerned about how other teams are going to react to that nonsense
jburns - 12 years ago
In a game where the difference is one score Schiano is right. More than an 8 point difference though and I side with Coughlin
Jeff - 12 years ago
Schiano better not ever try to run out the clock unless his guys are ready to get clocked..
cahill - 12 years ago
why didn't they play hard to prevent andre brown scoring? play til the game is officially over!!
fuck coughlin tell his ass to stay in new york with that cry baby ass shit
If teams want to stop the Bucs from doing this then they can pull a Dan Marino whenever they are in victory formation against them and run up the score. If teams know they are going to do this then they need to prepare. I do agree that if it is done when there is no chance to win it is a bush move. Otherwise it's try to win til the final whistle.
Anyone who said this is wrong is not thinking straight. Play to the end. The offense doesn't want to punt the ball back to the defense. So the QB takes the snap, stands up, sometimes backs up a few steps then slowly kneels or hesitates to put his knee down to take as many seconds off the clock as he can. What a pussy move!!!!! play the game to the end. It's been like this for years. It's about time someone had the balls to do it. Good for him.
Good for Schiano.! I pay for 60 munutes of football, not 59:55 minutes. Anything can happen in 5 seconds.
When teams are down by 2 scores, with seconds left, they still try onside kicks, hailmarys with no reguard for possible injury to either side. Why should a team just accept defeat when there's still a possiblity of getting the ball back . What would be said today if a botched snap occured and the Bucs were just standing there watching it happen.
For those that talk about Joe Piscarcek and the fumble, well that was a lateral and not a kneel down play.. not the same thing at all. Can anyone recall and identify any quarterback who did a last second kneel down and lost a fumble? Can anyone point out a play where the defense forced a fumble and recovered it,on a kneel down, and then go on to score and win a game. Personally i can't remember a single time this has happened...
In the end of the fourth quarter the Giants ran a kneel down to end the first half and Schiano didn't instruct his players to play in such a manner. Either play like that on every kneel down or don't do it at all. Put it on tape so the opponent can brace themselves. He was just frustrated and emasculated because Eli took his manhood out in the second half and slapped his team a cross the face with it. I normally don't like teams that run up the score such as the Patriots and the Saints, but I am going to enjoy watching the Saints dropping 60 on him several times for the next three years. I say three years because thats how long I marginal coach like him lasts before he gets fired. I expect him to be coaching a junior varsity team by the time Eli retires. By the way, running a play like that on the junior varsity high school level would still be very pathetic.
It goes both ways....I remember Dan Marino back in the 90's was going to pretend to spike the ball to stop the clock...instead he fakes the spike and throws a TD pass while EVERYONE, including most dolphins players were just standing around. I agree that it is not ethical to do that and maybe even wrong....but by NFL rules, Tampa was in their right to do what they did.
Why even have the plays if not for the chance of something going wrong, or the opportunity to help it go wrong. Down by 7 with 1:35 left, why even snap at all unless you are giving the ability for chance to influence the outcome. It should not be ceremonial to let the clock run out. Miracle at the Meadowlands. Play to the whistle.
Wrong. Period. Why?
The offense viewed it as wrong to fire into the defense. Because that is the cultural norm. It is not a rule enforced by the NFL, but expected behavior enforced by the players themselves. Like respecting veterans in the locker room. If only one side decides to break this unwritten rule, without notice, they have an unfair advantage. In fact it is a sleazy way of cheating, because they knew with 100% certainty that the Giants were not going to be in a position to defend themselves. So it is a form of cheating. It is taking advantage of accepted behavior for ones own selfish gain. It is morally wrong.
So now, every team has to decide when they are killing the clock, if they can trust the defense not to fire at their knees. If they can't trust the defense to follow the rules, then offense must fire first. Now what if the defense isn't expecting it. The offense just looks like jerks, but really they have no choice. This is why cultural norms are so important.
Before answering this question, I had to check the score and see where the line of scrimmage was on the play. It was on the NYG 30 yard line with Tampa down by 7. This means that if Tampa recovered a fumble, they were within 30 yards of the end zone, would have one play left, and could have tied the game with a touchdown pass (or defense could have returned the fumble). That makes a difference to me. True the chances of that happening are slimmer than slim, but the chance of a positive outcome is there. Just ask Joe Pisarcek about his bobbled handoff to Larry Csonka versus the Eagles in 1978. Herm Edwards returned it for a TD. And holy irony batman -- that Piscarcek bobbled fumbled occured on the NYG 29 yard line (which is where Manning was called down). So they were in the same place. If Tampa was down two scores -- that would have been a bush league play.
I used to have a lot of respect for Schiano and the program he built at Rutgers. This shows he isn't ready for the NFL yet. He has assistant coaches that know the difference between College play and the NFL. Maybe he should listen to their advise. If I was a defensive player on the Bucaneers I would be pretty concerned about how other teams are going to react to that nonsense
I used to have a lot of respect for Schiano and the program he built at Rutgers. This shows he isn't ready for the NFL yet. He has assistant coaches that know the difference between College play and the NFL. Maybe he should listen to their advise. If I was a defensive player on the Bucaneers I would be pretty concerned about how other teams are going to react to that nonsense
In a game where the difference is one score Schiano is right. More than an 8 point difference though and I side with Coughlin
Schiano better not ever try to run out the clock unless his guys are ready to get clocked..
why didn't they play hard to prevent andre brown scoring? play til the game is officially over!!