It's more dangerous. The 10)8 ' or 5/4 split was the best . For instance: I'm up all day leave house at 5 pm for Denver. I've got to drive all night because there's no time for a nap because of the 11 hour rule. Drivers can not drive 11 hours straight every day it's stupid. And unhealthy. So I'll drive all night even tired as hell
Riley - 6 years ago
I could express all day my thoughts on the ELD. So I just submit this:
The ELD mandate! What is it really about?
Some say control. Some say safety . Some say money.
Let's try an opinionated answer:
Control? Yes. The government wants to control every aspect of our lives, freedoms and rights. So undoubtedly; control.
Safety? No. There is no evidentiary proof that these devices will make the highways safer. The ATA and FMCSA has stated that these devices will save 26 lives per year (estimated). Truth is that number is within a margin of error in any poll of 1,000.
Money? Yes. There is a service charge of average $32 per month. If you multiply that by a conservative number of trucks using the device of 3 million (actually there are 3.97 million or so),that works out to 96 million per month. Now compound that by 12 months. Boom! You have a cash cow.
Casey - 6 years ago
It will cause more people to speed through cities and construction zones, making the road a lot more dangerous and unsafe. The number of wrecks and casualties will go up after the elog mandate. People will be too pushed for time and run faster to get their miles in for the day. To truck drivers, time is money. We aren't paid the same as other people, most of America if you're on the clock you get a hourly wage, but us truckers, if our wheels ain't turning, we ain't earning. So after the mandate hits, it's really going to be a tough time out here, you'll see more out of control drivers than ever before, and that to me is way more scary than someone with a paper log that's trying to make an honest living. There will be no more stopping to take a nap if we are tired anymore, so therefore we will be driving drowsy and tired cause the clock is ticking and we can't afford to stop and mess our day up. Most of us have families we are trying to provide for and we can't afford to take unnecessary down time.
kirk church - 6 years ago
It will cause drivers to change schedules and not use the clock god granted each of us but instead use a clock issued by government to control us........
Harold Holcomb - 6 years ago
No
Renay Kristapher - 6 years ago
I have 30 + years. No it will make our roads the deadliest place to be. And that means for you too, not just truckers.
Dave - 6 years ago
No they will not make it safer I just hope all of those people that are supporting this mandate are prepared to have their freight delivered late because there will be trucks sitting everywhere waiting for their clock to tell them when they're ready I really think it's time for an all out STRIKE we tried to do it the proper way but even our President won't take a meeting with the small guy
I'm a 17 yr driver and have worked for 6 companies who used a form of ELD's. No they will not make truck driver's safer. Only proper training and common sense will make a truck driver safe to travel our roads. The more I see our ELD Equipped trucks the more speeding happens to rush the 14 hour clock. It causes bad decisions to be made by the trucker. The will FORCE driver's to drive tired. There are a host of other reasons the ELD MANDATE is a SAFETY problem for the trucking industry. When I started driving a truck in July 2000 I loved the freedom of CHOOSING to do what was RIGHT & SAFE. My body clock is the ONLY thing I listen to. When it tells me I'm TIRED I pull over and givey body the rest it needs so therefore I can continue to be a SAFE DRIVER and watch for ANYTHING that will restrict the procession of the advancement of me reaching the destination in which has been in trusted to me to deliver or to pickup. One of the reason's I have stayed in the trucking industry is because I DO NOT HAVE SOMEONE WATCHING ME TO MAKE SURE I DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE Safely.
The ELD MADATE will take that freedom AWAY FROM ME.
I am an adult. If I wanted to be detailed tracked I would get marries again. I DO NOT NEED the Government to treat me like I am a CONVICT. My sister taught me all about that when I was a teenager.My Mother is in heaven and her & the Lord keeps me on the right track.
Howard Kirk - 6 years ago
Absolutely not the electronic logs forces you to drive when you're sleepy you have no choice in the matter because of the 14-hour clock companies are pushing you to the razor's Edge on Department times to get there so you do not have time to do nothing but take the 30 minute break if you are sleepy it used to be you could stop and get you a quick nap then make it up on the other end and keep rolling with the electronic logs that is impossible that's one reason 2 Reasons the AEF the electronic logs makes you run all kind of weird hours yes you may have just came off of a 10-hour break or a 34-hour restart if you did not get good sleep on your 10-hour break when you come off you may be wore out and already sleepy or you might get down the road 2 hours and you just can't stay awake with the ELD mandate on the 14-hour clock you have to push through to make your delivery appointments because the company set them too tight or the electronic log may have you taken your 10-hour break in the middle of the day and you cannot sleep you cannot get any sleep then you're forced to drive all night long and try to stay awake which is sometimes total impossible where you used to go stop take a quick nap you can't do it anymore with the ELD you only have time for that 30 minute break next thing you come off a 34-hour restart you coming off of your 34-hour restart let's say at 9:10 in the evening well be honest how many people are able to sleep 34 hours the electronic log says okay your body is ready to go the company looks at that electronic log yes you are legally to drive your body is ready they looking at the electronic log but it's all how much rest did you get that day was you able to sleep but yet the company's push you you call the company and say please could you change his appointment I'm not going to be able to make it but cause I am tired they always tell you well your log ELD log says you have been sleep for 10 hours you have been off for 34 hours but how much rest did you get in that time and they refused to change appointments and forced drivers to drive exhausted we're with the old paper logs yes you was able to stop take a two or three-hour nap and make it up on the end not with the electronic log but if they take somebody would change the 14-hour clock where it would give you a little leverage to stop and get some rest every now and then where are you do not have to push for that for 14 hours straight that would help but that will not happen another example the company I drive for since they installed electronic logs in our trucks the accident rate has went up almost 60% four major accidents in October alone cars from fatigue drivers pushing electronic clock because they cannot take time to stop and get a break get rest with the electronic log the way the company sets up appointments you do not have time to take a shower you do not have time to stop and eat you do not have time to do anything but pushed your truck especially if you sit in a customer according to the. You cannot put that Sleeper Berth time you have to have that on-duty not driving time which you could be back to sleep trying to get some rest while you loading but according to the government you can't even though you're not doing nothing but sitting in the truck this is a major joke somebody needs to go through and fix the problems if they could do something with his 14-hour clock and fix it where we not want lose so much time in the customers or at least let us go in The Sleeper Berth week sometimes we are at a customer for at 9:10 eleven open 24 hours Bi-Lo they won't all that log on duty not driving you're not doing any work you sitting up in the truck twiddling your thumbs watching TV or playing with your phone when you could be back to sleep it's a problem needs to be fixed and God I wish somebody would fix it electronic logs is not the answer though but on the other hand electronic log would work if they would go in and refix the 14-hour clock where you can
Jeffery Hoffman - 6 years ago
Eld's will have the complete opposite effect of safety. Facts of having safer roads comes from the experienced trainers of 5 years +, someone who is fresh out of school has no business in training someone who is just getting into the industry,you have to crawl before you can walk!
The government needs to look into these mega carriers that are self insured who are allowed to overlook a driver's "bad habits" just to fill a seat, take away the ability to self insure and create a system forcing them to insure outside of themselves this will slow the mill down with a prosperous effect of safety as well as putting a minimum amount of yrs experience to allow certification of being a trainer.
This is looking more and more like a corporate greed power struggle . Just this morning a letter sent to one of my customers ,soliciting their business , by one of the Mega carriers was brought to me. In the niche business I'm in, that is highly unusual.
63 dead at the hands of Swift trucks alone should tell you everything you need to know as to the NEGITIVE effect this bill will have on safety.
Neil Cavazza - 6 years ago
This mandate is just to run the small companies that can't afford it out of business. All the mega carriers are on elds and they cause most wrecks and fatalities.
The roads will less safe than they are right now. ELD's will cause drivers to be in a rush every minute while they're behind the wheel. Drivers will be far more stressed out also.
Tammy - 6 years ago
They need to take the money to put in place ELD's and go after the real problem. Better education and training for new inexperienced drivers as well as a re-education to the general population on the rules of the road. Everyone needs to re-read the drivers ed manual and respect the road and big rigs. That would increase safety, NOT ELD's that force truckers to "race" the clock.
Doesn't matter what drivers think and know - 6 years ago
Doesn't matter what you say or do,it's All about$$$$, UNLESS EVERY SINGLE TRUCK DRIVER WIL GO ON STRIKE, I MEAN EVERY ONE, IF THERE WAS A FUND FOR TRUCKERS TO USE TO PAY BILLS THEN ITS POSSIBLE, NOT EVERYONE CAN GO ON STRIKE BECAUSE NEED TO PAY BILLS
AL - 7 years ago
3 hours on your ELD. 9 pm friday evening snowing in Madison,WI and your yard is in Chicago. what you gonna do? go to sleep and do 34 hours restart in Madison instead of home or push 65/mph to make it.?
here is your answer if its gonna be safer with ELD .
safer would be sleep 6-8 hours for storm to pass and roads to clear and be back home safe.
winter is coming and again you will see Fedex trucks and other big company trucks beating the clock and flying 70 on iced roads, but this winter will do the same because government know better.
Nick - 7 years ago
Drivers are not robots, understand that please. No two humans are the same so you can't restrict their life (work / play time) under one rule. Everybody has a different schedule. I like taking a nap in the afternoon for two or three hours and letting the Chicago rush traffic end, start driving afterwards when roads are clear. Under new rule I (and people like me) would be forced to drive, further contributing to traffic congestion. How is that safe or smart? People writing these laws should be put behind a semi -truck's steering wheel for a month to understand that theory and practice are far apart here
Eugene Turner - 7 years ago
I have been driving for 30+ years and the 11-10 hour rule is a pain in the butt when we had the 10-8 rule life was great no-one that is making or contemplating this ELD can,t possibly have driven a TRUCK before ELD is and will cause more problems than it solves the problem is simple not enough parking for us if and when we have to stop or wait also it's a race against the clock and no clock can tell you when you are tired only your body and mind I see it now every day the guy's on ELD running a certain speed never slowing down in inner cities for the posted speed limits if you think it's bad now imagine everyone in this mode sorry I could go on and on but no one listens to us but if we STRIKE WE ARE THE WORST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD.....AMERICA STOPS ELD IS NOT THE ANSWER
dean glenzer - 7 years ago
35 years 4.5 million miles no chargable accidents, no moving violations in 25 years, and no ELD's . So now the government wants to tell me how to drive. So Micheal Harvey do you realy think all these little companies and o/o can afford drop yards or leaving trailers sitting idle. That's just dumb, it shows your lack of experience and how brainwashed you are. So you think sitting at a dock for 10 hours without access to a bathroom is fine. Hell even the worst criminals in prison have that right. So you think it's safer to sit and wait for a blizzard to drop 7-8 inches of snow on the road then drive then to leave a couple hours early and drive on dry roads. Good call. That is what experience gives me, the knowledge to know when it's safe. Safty is a lot more then just sleep, it's knowing machines, traffic, road conditions, weather, and much more. IT'S A LIFE STYLE not just a job.
Michael Harvey - 7 years ago
Yes it will help I've been driving 3 years I talk to other drivers that say they cheat and try and impress me I roll my eyes. Now you people can't cheat you don't want it because you are a liar. Some truckers I talk to don't care they cheat I hope this ruins it for you! Eld not the problem it's the 14 hour if they didn't have that be better but problem is trucking companies would force the driver to drive they need to give drivers more control for example do the 14 rule but if that driver wants to drive over that that's up to him and legally you can't hold that against and can't entice him or she to drive more but this probably never happen shipping companies you want the control now we would get places faster shippers would probably need to set up more drops not live loads and would make need for more drop yards now going back on 14 hour rule if they got rid of that I would love it no stress when at shipper waiting to get in I feel like I could sleep because no stress of a 14 hour rule take all the time you want I'm sleeping in piece
Mandi - 7 years ago
No safety with eld..... Plz get all together to stop it.
BobDobalina - 7 years ago
I've run both.. I think it's safer with paper logs. Drivers don't feel as pressured to get through the day. If you have a clock staring at you all day, it stresses you out and makes you rush to beat that clock. I'm sick of the government ramming shit down our throats and treating us like children. All these preventive laws are just to boost government revenue. The government does not give a shit about our safety it's all about how much money can they get out of tax paying citizens.
Janine Sherrod - 7 years ago
I run ELD's & it doesn't make anything safer. When I start that log I have exactly 14 hours to completely finish my day, no driving 5 more miles to the truck stop to park. It's a load of crap!
Keith Franks - 7 years ago
Its not about safety its about accountability
Leonard Kramer - 7 years ago
I've done both. When you get tired you can't stop with ELD or you loose your time. Your body is not a machine it can't be turned off & on
Steven miller - 7 years ago
Having ELD’s will NOT make people safer cuz that means your telling a driver when he has to drive.
Myles Dahlberg - 7 years ago
This hole thing is just messing up with was a good professional jobs in the offices, the shops, and in the seats.I'm 10 years short of retirement (35 plus years in trucking business) Just makes me sick about the hole thing.
Lewis - 7 years ago
Guns just killed 59,injured over 500! They can't fix that but they want to regulate me and my single truck? No amount of eld will make a dangerous safer,sorry.
Darren W - 7 years ago
It all boils down to one thing. It's the federal government stripping us of our rights. The freedom of choice. I hate to say this, but our so called law makers don't care what we the people have to say about a law they pass.
Maty - 7 years ago
So if i buy a trk 2000 are older i dnt have to run the eld wat crap are they going to makenit harder to have a trk that old
Otto - 7 years ago
For all you eld lovers out there, if you want to use elds, fine. The rest of us don't need it rammed down our throat, like all the rest of the regulations in the name of safety, since deregulation, that we have to pay for and don't get compensated for. Oh, yeah, I forgot, it's in the rate. You eld'ers make it out like there's body parts strewn about the highways behind every truck on paper logs and we are all running five or six books at once. No one's doing that. Borrowing a couple of minutes or hours here or there,yes but no one is going down the road with totn out log papers flying through the air like an untarped garbage truck. You want eld's I'm fine with that. But don't berate us who have been on paper our whole 20-30 plus years because you have never worked where they had paper, or maybe you just can't grasp the concept of how to fill one out.
For as long as I've been driving, I've never bought a log book. Why is it not, all of a sudden we have to pay for this crap we don't want, with no extra compensation. The companies want it, the government wants it, they should pay for it.
Born again - 7 years ago
Stop talking about it and just park the trucks for a week. With out us where would have all the Fema help came from last few weeks. They tell us when hauling Fema loads we can override the HOS. Let's all stick together for once white, black, blue, or green.
Amalia - 7 years ago
My ex is a truckk driver, illegall as fuck. Paper logs can easily be altered. Drivers do it all the time. Not all but most of them do. Everybody is worried aboit driving exhausted now. Well they are doing it NOW. Drivers forget that everytime they run their debit card there's a paper trail, to fuel up. Between all the illegal shenanigans, human trafficking, illegals, and yes drugs being hauled in trucks everyday, nobody talks about that. All this illegal activity will come to a screaching hault.
Anthony - 7 years ago
Small companies can't have that because it is not worthy and no wan want to drive for free time is the key on trucking bisnes this HOP has to think about it otherwise there will be empty shelves at all stor
Arick Uehling - 7 years ago
Most of the larger carriers already have ELDs or something equivalent. Look at their safety ratting, Swift, werner ent. Ect. Their safety ratting sucks. All they will accomplish is making people drive tired and unsafe. There is a shortage of drivers now, there will be a big shortage of over the road drivers and livestock drivers if the mandate don't change
Tim Salmen - 7 years ago
I've personally talked to at least a dozen driver's, each with at least 20 years of driving experience, say they'll hang up the keys if this mandate stays. I don't know if they will all follow through but just think, 240+ years of experience gone. Who will replace them? Rookies fresh out of "driving school". Sound safer to you? I'm an O/O with a perfect safety score. How will an ELD improve on that?
Bill Roesch - 7 years ago
Retired in 2004 after 40 years on the road logging over 6 million miles without a chargeable accident. yes I cheated on my log book but I never drove tired and was never late on delivery. I can't believe this eld thing will make things any safer for truckers. Use common sense drivers and be safe out there. God Bless !!
Brett Corkins - 7 years ago
25 years. No accidents. No log book tickets. In short, I am under more pressure now to drive faster and more tired than I ever have before. This mandate does nothing to enhance safety. It has hurt my productivity to the tune of about 25%. More quality training, ( not pay money and go to work) and a fair HOS rulebook would be a good start.
Rick Brown - 7 years ago
Everone knew this was coming, big companies have been running them for years, been running paper for 28 years and yes I cheated every day just like the rest of u and yes there's been may a day I should have taken longer breaks, the first 2 weeks on eld just about done me in, but once u have a routine it works, everone who has run paper has cheated hours u know it and I do, know if elds makes trucking safer well time will tell, yes I am a o/o have never driven for other people so I know what I am talking about, all these companies that's fighting to stop this eld start u is just taking ur money, it's coming so if u don't like it go back to work at Walmart ur stocking job u left for truck driving school is still available
Marcia Hogan - 7 years ago
This has nothing to do with safety. It's all about the money. Every large carrier has them and have had for sometime now. They need to check their safety records with and without the ELDs. I believe they are worse. I have driven for 25 year's and used both paper and electronic logs. Which make you drive less and sit more. Everyone knows waiting makes you tired.
Marcia Hogan - 7 years ago
This has nothing to do with safety. It's all about the money. Every large carrier has them and have had for sometime now. They need to check their safety records with and without the ELDs. I believe they are worse. I have driven for 25 year's and used both paper and electronic logs. Which make you drive less and sit more. Everyone knows waiting makes you tired.
Todd g - 7 years ago
The large companies out there that already have them have really bad safety records. I think worse than eld is the 14 hour rule.
Todd g - 7 years ago
The large companies out there that already have them have really bad safety records. I think worse than eld is the 14 hour rule.
Raymond Lee - 7 years ago
Not Safe, too many drivers are gonna try to drive all of their time even tho they are tired and need a break. You will see more accidents with trucks involved because of this..
Kristen Anderson - 7 years ago
This is ELD farce is all about money, because if it were really about safety, they'd work on better, universal training standards. The selective information and lies that the FMCSA and the ATA (a lobbying group, NOT the self declared independent authority on trucking as they claim) are spewing is terrifying! Im also having a real problem accepting the fact that the people in charge of the decisions regarding the ELD mandate have no first-hand knowledge of the trucking industry. While they have prestigious government and political experience, not one of them appears to have any hands-on knowledge of trucking and no clue how trucking in the real world works. They are basically the equivalent of overpaid, armchair quarterbacks. I have come up with an analogy, using my fictitious pursuit of becoming a head coach in the NFL as an example:
I played volleyball in high school. I’ve played a few games of flag football. I also played little league baseball and basketball in elementary school. My brother works in sports radio. I’ve attended numerous football games, basketball games, baseball games, etc. at all different levels. I also enjoy watching NFL games on TV and have been known to shout out a few plays and call the coach an idiot, because I feel my knowledge and play calling, while sitting on the couch at home, watching the game on TV, is much better than that of the head coach and the players on the field. Therefore, based on the logic being used by the FMCSA, the ATA and the lawmakers supporting the ELD mandate, I feel I am more than qualified to be a successful head coach in the NFL, as I feel my general sports knowledge is superior to those who have played the game and are out there on the field.
At least I’d have more knowledge and understanding of how the game is played than the people who are calling the plays and dictating the rules in the trucking industry.
Maurice L. Payne - 7 years ago
Changing careers....back to wrenching for a living. Only started driving truck to catch up on bills after a 6 yr recuperation. Young 15 yr old slammed into pass van doing 100 mph, while i was stopped, waiting for traffic to pass so i could make left hand turn. Posted speed limit 25mpb....by the way ...it was a SHERIFFS VAN!
Trisha Truener - 7 years ago
I’ve been in this Industry driving for 30 years , I’ve ran paper logs and an ELD in my Peterbilt ,
The ELD has forced me to drive sleepy many times trying to make a pickup or delivery on time just to get there sit and wait to get loaded or reloaded , I’ve been 50 miles from my parents home and have had to take a 10 hr break , I’ve lost spending time with my Family and my Children after being gone for Months just to loose another 10 hours because of the Rules and the ELD , I’ve spent months on the Road trying to feed my family and pay my bills and I live in my truck because I can barely survive , the rates are so cheap I have no choice but to stay out to make enough money .
The ELD is not about Safety
The 14 hour rule is not about Safety either. They both are stressful and dangerous and I’m tired of racing a clock to do my Job . I’m to the point I don’t even enjoy what I do anymore. And this Was my whole Life and my Dreams. Now it’s become a nightmare .
Colin V - 7 years ago
The large carriers and their lobbyists on both sides of the border have pushed politicians into believing so, and let's face facts all that takes is money. ELD's have been about one thing from the beginning and only one thing, that is taking away the decision from the driver/operator. I have run ELD's now continuously since 2003 and I like them, however I still follow the rules that have been put in place. I don't drive when I'm tired or past hours, because I am a professional and I choose to keep my record clean. With ELD's the decision is no longer supposed to be the driver's responsibility or choice and that is wrong and why safety was never the ultimate goal.
I personally have been phoned and told I have to make a delivery that night, when I don't have available hours to do so. The back and forth with Dispatch went on for a while before they said "You need to look again", I did and I had 4 hours left on my day where prior the the phone call I was 3/4 of an hour from finished for the day. While employed with another carrier I was sent to see safety where all my logs where up on the computer. The safety director went through them one by one and changed things all over, in order to allow me to keep working without a 36 hour reset (Canada) so as to get more fuel delivered. In the first incident I drove my 3/4 hour, took my rest, drove over the pass and arrived at the customer before 8am, and still had to wait to have enough room to unload all of the regular gas into the stations storage. With the other example I refused to re-sign "my logs" and was reprimanded and written up for refusing to comply with the safety director's ruling, by my choice I did not work for that company much longer. It is true it is much more difficult if not next to impossible for the driver to "edit" or change his or her logs. The company's themselves will now have all the power in that regard, the less scrupulous among them will take full advantage of that power. As a professional driver it will only be your choice to stick up for yourself and refuse to be pushed or manipulated, as it always has been.
At the end of the day professional drivers will still be just that, professional. People that allow themselves to be manipulated into "racing the clock" or working un-safely, were doing so before and will continue to do so, and therefore do not deserve to be classified professional.
Jim Yates - 7 years ago
I've already seen the results this summer with trucks speeding through work zones. Going across the Ohio turnpike it wasn't out of the ordinary to lose 30 to 45 minutes following the posted speed. For me personally it's not a problem but if you're on a tight schedule it is.
Steve Hoon - 7 years ago
It will only make driving more dangerous than it already is running red lights and speeding trying to hurry and get a parking spot it's going to be an absolute nightmare for people on the road ways and very unsafe !!!!!!!!!!
Lester Hon - 7 years ago
It's not going to be good for shippers paying at least 30% more for freight. Safety is not what this is about it's about it's about profits for the electronics. I can't quote how many trucks are going to have buy these products.but would estimate 3 million times minimum of $150.00 each. Who is getting paid off.
Jeremjohnson - 7 years ago
Its going to be very hazardous all the trucks trying to beat the clock if you don't beat the clock then the driver or company will be fined for being late very huge cost for owner operators all the politicians need to ride with a real trucker and see what there up against out here on the road any takers
Jeremjohnson - 7 years ago
Its going to be very hazardous all the trucks trying to beat the clock if you don't beat the clock then the driver or company will be fined for being late very huge cost for owner operators all the politicians need to ride with a real trucker and see what there up against out here on the road any takers
M Lowry - 7 years ago
I retired from trucking almost 5 years ago due to new HOS rules and the possibility of ELD being required in trucks. I felt then and still do that the new rules and ELDs did not improve safety but would cause more unsafe incidences on the roadways.
J B - 7 years ago
It won't make roads safer it won't make trucks safer it won't serve any purpose other than to line pockets.
I'd like to see it make shippers accountable for their actions with holding us up at the docks but I'm sure it won't even serve that purpose because detention isn't federally enforced and even if it was the government thinks a piece of equipment sitting should only be able to charge $20/hour which is bullshit when you drag a truck into the shop and they bill you $110+/hr for a tech to stand there with their thumb up their ass. All this is going to do is raise costs not just on the transportation side of things, but also in the stores. That's exactly what this is going to do all in the name "safety" and saving something like 7 lives a year...seems to me a lot more lives were lost a few days ago and they weren't taken by a tired truck driver who was over on hours...just my .02
Kenneth S Askew - 7 years ago
I have been using one for about 6 months and WOW!!!. I have already loss 1000.00 s of dollars in revenue.i also fell like a mad man behind the wheel now.My stress level has gone through the roof.I am already experiencing medical issues due to the stress.This is by far the craziest thing I have had to deal with in 24 years plus.of trucking.The ELD will make the industry a very deadly place to work.in morning ways than one.i feel something must be done with the 14 hour clock to make this work.
Dorie - 7 years ago
I feel as you should have given a maybe choice.
I feel as the shippers, recovers are not ready for this. The country is in real trouble. Not your milk but everything else you use is going to be held up. And the hold up is going to be in the shippers docks. When drivers sit for hours getting loaded or unloaded.
Let's also not forget most drivers are paid dirt wages. We do NOT get paid to sit getting loaded or for our off duty time.
The logging is not going to change...but the cheaters are going to have a hard time. You log however long the job rakes on elog. Cheaters back up on paper and this is why they are mad at the ELD. NO MORE CHEATERS and a lot less money for us already not making enough.
Robert Levine - 7 years ago
Heck noooo!!!! All the big companies run them an still run over cars an other objects!!! An cause wrecks..
Teddy Saye - 7 years ago
Safety thats a joke..tjis will make it worse...change the 14 hour clock to 11 hours in 16 with and 8 hour rest. I drive tired now whty because I'm up against a clock.
Marc Dudgeon - 7 years ago
ELD's aren't going to make poor drivers any better or good drivers any worse we need to take POOR UNSAFE drivers off the road. And mainly get rid of the 14-hour clock let me drive five hours sleep for four drive five sleep for four get my 70 hours in and be done actually I'd like to work 40 hours a week
phillip thrash - 7 years ago
Driving should be left up to driver they are alot of good drivers out there let them decide when they are tired not a computer an let people learn to drive more than 3weeks thanks????. Driving school should teach you how to drive more than 3 weeks you can't learn to drive a18 wheeler in that time
Jeffery - 7 years ago
No! Safety starts with training, from someone with 5+ years experience!
John - 7 years ago
They got to stop the clock & split the sleep time. ....if you don't Have a drop n hook gig you may as well quit driving
John Ruf - 7 years ago
No it's not going to make things safe it's going to be worse everybody that's on eld now is rushing against the clock
Debbie - 7 years ago
You truckers have the power to shut down world economy and get anything you want. Just refuse to run your trucks for 5 days and see what happens. I bet the ELD mandate would disappear and your wages would go up.
Tony DeVIlle - 7 years ago
Some politician is getting rich off the deal
Paul Yancey - 7 years ago
No ..I was unknowing hauling my own stuff till I got stopped.....no log or dot numbers....I am now legal....i used to drive at a leisurely pace and not rush or come close to even speeding ...(.now I do have a eld in my truck because I thought it was a for sure thing that would be forced down our throats....) so now I find myself pushing harder and driving more aggressive to make miles before my drive time runs out....I just made it home from Amarillo to beaumont with 7 whole minutes to spare and was worried about making it close but not running out of time...it's crazy to think that I could be forced to stop only 20-30 miles from home for 10 hours rest before driving again to be at home if you follow the law now......eld won't make anything safer to me....if anything it will make it worse because you are on a stop watch....and nothing is constant....traffic...loading....other drivers.....weather....etc.....the problem is the HOS law ....not the time keeper or the instrument used to track is....no one is the same robot and don't sleep the same times ... Body clocks work different for each one of us....it's not a one size fits all in a box....leave the trucking industry alone and if they really want to make it safe then use real drivers to solve the issues at hand....
B.Knight - 7 years ago
The issue here isn't the E.L.D. mandate It is the messed up hour of service regulation. I have no problem with an E.L.D. in my truck.My issue is being forced to drive when it is unsafe, e.g. weather, traffic, or fatigue. Once my 14hr clock starts I am forced to continue driving until my 14hr "On Duty" clock is up. There will be to many times when I will be forced to continue driving even when I feel it is unsafe. Do I operate in gray areas now using a paper log? Yes, but I also have over 3 million safe, accident free miles behind me. When I am tired I sleep, when I'm rested I drive. If I can beat a snow storm by pushing past my "legal" hours, I do. If I can avoid high traffic volumes in major cities by taking a 3-4hr nap, I do. E.L.Ds. will only force me into unsafe situations and even worse force me to drive as fast as I can to try to stay ahead of the clock. Change the Hours of Service regulations first and I will be all to happy to comply with the E.L.D. mandate
sid - 7 years ago
Statically proves truck drivers are safe when a non commercial vehicle is also involved. The ones we need to regulate is the non commercial vehicles. This past weekend I was returning from faction and it was a 2 hour drive. A state representative in his personal vehicle with representative tags on it was doing 80-100 mph darting in and out of traffic. Tell me that a truck driver was unsafe there...
Wade - 7 years ago
Look at wernier drivers look how many accidents a year with eld
George - 7 years ago
ELD will only make somebody richer :)
ELD will not make roads safer it will be the other way around it will make roads more dangerous ..because wanna remind u all HUMAN BODY also a truck driver (somebody doesn't consider the truck driver as human) Body is NOT a ROBOT and earlier politician realize would be better for the roads and people...
I am sick and tired to see on a daily basis how is the truck driver being treated ..
George L. Rodriguez - 7 years ago
No one especially those who haven't driven a truck for a living should tell a truck driver when to sleep or when to take a break it dhould be up to the individual we are all adults, most of us, everyone has a different sleep pattern , i don't know anyone who can sleep 10 hours in a truck, i don't sleep that long in my own bed. The government just wants to keep the trucking industry especially oo's under there control. If we install the eld's are they the government or shippers gonna replace the lost wages of thousands of truck drivers including my self. No we'll have to adjust our life style that's what they'll say. They sit there making six figures or more and make these rules that they wouldn't wanna live by or couldn't live by if they had families and bills like we do. It's all bull, 32 yrs for me and haven't had a problem till the government and others put there hands into something they know little about.
Ron - 7 years ago
Start rolling road blocks. Drive at 25 mph (both lanes) starting Dec. 18.
steven mart - 7 years ago
I am an OLD trucker. I started when power steering was a bigger steering wheel. Ratchet spring seats. And solid rubber biscuit suspension. We got er done! I have hauled everything but cars. Chemicals gasoline frozen swinging beef from Greeley hauled explosives in the Rockies to mines. LET THE DRIVERS DECIDE WHEN TO SLEEP AND WHEN TO DRIVE. THEY ARE ADULTS. Just make the driving test more stringent and require more experience before going solo.
Leon bomleny - 7 years ago
After 39 years of driving being told when you can drive and when you can't will definitely not be safer
Gil - 7 years ago
They say ELDs makes the driver safer. No it don't the driver is going to be only as safe as a driver is ever going to be it is all on the driver about safety. I see young drivers out here today with ELDs and all I see is that they are racing the clock. Trying to push cars to town tailgating staying in the Middle Lane impeding traffic because you're scared traffic coming on the highway is going to eat at their time saw them down they don't share the road they don't share the enthusiasm as an owner operator they're out here to steer the wheel and work about 300 miles and call it quits play on her computer smartphone Exedra at the truck stop. Those must have been out here for years don't need a damn babysitter.. I heard somebody ask the other day what does it take to become an old-timer well I will tell you the old timers are about gone these are the guys that struggled with no power steering no Jake brakes no AC no air ride suspension no air ride seats and was able enough to make it thru the sixties and seventies to educate guys that started in the late seventies early eighties. Guys from this era where the last of the old timer. And I tell you why them guys educated from 1985 when the CDL came out a lot of drivers went to a driving school that taught the very basics to get a CDL not to MANAGE a truck..MANAGE A TRUCK not drive. Drivers that were educated by old timers that has tried to help the Young Buck is wasting his time because of Young Buck don't want to learn. My number one motto is if you cannot stop there is no sense in going check your brakes and if somebody tells you oh I can stop you ask them how do you know and they cannot give a good straight answer they know nothing about brakes. The old timers taught that and how to maintain your truck with a true pre-trip inspection. I see so many trucks today where nobody raises a hood anymore. Steering wheel holders of the past 20 years knows nothing of their truck because you're told to not mechanics not realizing they are responsible for this vehicle when I get behind the driver seat they will be no more old timers they're almost dead and gone those of us that was lucky enough to learn from the old timers all I can say is thank you old-timer for teaching me the correct way the kids up today have not a clue of the education that they refuse to receive. ELDs is a joke for somebody to put your thumb on the driver like FMCSA. If they would change the hours of service then they might not have so much of a drawback as far as safety there's not a safe driver out here unless you're an old timer or one that has been taught by an old-timer. education old-timers gave was one and a lifetime experience they were educators to save your life and others to teach you the right way to maintain your equipment. Old Timers is what we need educating this new breed of steering wheel holder cuz I have no respect for anyone. No common courtesy out here anymore. If they want preach safety they better come up with some new schools that teach these people something cuz all I see is a catastrophe and Horizon big companies have their own insurance company in house they pay their way through life now if we could have the real numbers of accidents and what has caused them I believe the Eld and these new schools would not be on the radar
Bradley Colwell - 7 years ago
All the accidents started when they stopped letting you brake up your driving Time up so if you wanted to stop and take a nap you could but know you can't forcing drives to drive sleepy, because you can't loose driving time you got to go. , driving 11hours straight with only a1/2brake that you can log off duty, The wrong people are making the rules and regulations
David Ford - 7 years ago
If this was really about safety-as the government claims-we as drivers wouldnt be forced to drive within a 14 hr window -the REAL safety issue is all the inexperienced truck drivers that only have 3 weeks of trucking school for experience-elds all in the name of safety-yea right
Jeremy Skiles - 7 years ago
I believe there will be more accidents from drivers trying to get to their destinations on time than we have currently.
James Chambes - 7 years ago
Telling a driver is an assault on owner operator.how do you know when I'm tired? Drive 11 hrs the day is 24 hrs.I drive for 11 / 10 he reset? Well I'm not tired 11 hrs after I wake are you 4/5 hrs to unwind now I can drive in with 5 hrs sleep? Now I'm unrested but legal to drive .can't rest cause I have. To drive 11 hrs in a 14 hour window.not to mention they tell me when to eat .so now I'm told when to work how to work when to sleep.oh yeah I can't work over 70 hrs in 7day then have to rest 2 days before I can work again.imagine being told when to eat sleep and what days to work
Bob - 7 years ago
It is going to be a disaster for our drivers and the economy will tank when people can't afford anything in the stores it is already pushing freight rates sky high which is great for companies but we haven't seen the best rates come December people will see at least some freight up to 10.00 a mile watch and see
A W - 7 years ago
I think its ridiculous how all the rest areas amd truck stops get so full, truckers must park DANGEROUSLY on the shoulder of the highway or risk and fine/penalty. I agree truckers will drive even if theyre tired just because they must use their time or lose and risk being late. The government must not understand without trucks the US as we know it stops
A W - 7 years ago
I think its ridiculous how all the rest areas amd truck stops get so full, truckers must park DANGEROUSLY on the shoulder of the highway or risk and fine/penalty. I agree truckers will drive even if theyre tired just because they must use their time or lose and risk being late. The government must not understand without trucks the US as we know it stops
Luis - 7 years ago
I think more people will drive tired trying to use up there driving time and get to there destination
Paul carroll - 7 years ago
If you look at current crash data you will find that trucks with elds are having more accident then with out it makes you drive when you are tired and makes you drive faster where you should not just to make up lost time plus all the bigger companies that have already implemented elds have high turn over thus constantly hiring inexperienced drivers and training is not efficient. I've been driving for 30 years and can't believe some of the stuff I see out here.
D@j transport - 7 years ago
All this is going to do is make people drive while being tired. Because they couldn't sleep well on there last 10 off but now the eld says there good to go. Humans should be able to make there own decisions on when they need sleep , everybody has different sleep patterns.
No electronic device is going to know how you feel or if your fit to drive.. dam near boarder line slavery if you ask me.
Terrance B Adams - 7 years ago
Don't need a electronic device to tell me when I'm tired an need to take a break it's all a money thing for the government
It's more dangerous. The 10)8 ' or 5/4 split was the best . For instance: I'm up all day leave house at 5 pm for Denver. I've got to drive all night because there's no time for a nap because of the 11 hour rule. Drivers can not drive 11 hours straight every day it's stupid. And unhealthy. So I'll drive all night even tired as hell
I could express all day my thoughts on the ELD. So I just submit this:
The ELD mandate! What is it really about?
Some say control. Some say safety . Some say money.
Let's try an opinionated answer:
Control? Yes. The government wants to control every aspect of our lives, freedoms and rights. So undoubtedly; control.
Safety? No. There is no evidentiary proof that these devices will make the highways safer. The ATA and FMCSA has stated that these devices will save 26 lives per year (estimated). Truth is that number is within a margin of error in any poll of 1,000.
Money? Yes. There is a service charge of average $32 per month. If you multiply that by a conservative number of trucks using the device of 3 million (actually there are 3.97 million or so),that works out to 96 million per month. Now compound that by 12 months. Boom! You have a cash cow.
It will cause more people to speed through cities and construction zones, making the road a lot more dangerous and unsafe. The number of wrecks and casualties will go up after the elog mandate. People will be too pushed for time and run faster to get their miles in for the day. To truck drivers, time is money. We aren't paid the same as other people, most of America if you're on the clock you get a hourly wage, but us truckers, if our wheels ain't turning, we ain't earning. So after the mandate hits, it's really going to be a tough time out here, you'll see more out of control drivers than ever before, and that to me is way more scary than someone with a paper log that's trying to make an honest living. There will be no more stopping to take a nap if we are tired anymore, so therefore we will be driving drowsy and tired cause the clock is ticking and we can't afford to stop and mess our day up. Most of us have families we are trying to provide for and we can't afford to take unnecessary down time.
It will cause drivers to change schedules and not use the clock god granted each of us but instead use a clock issued by government to control us........
No
I have 30 + years. No it will make our roads the deadliest place to be. And that means for you too, not just truckers.
No they will not make it safer I just hope all of those people that are supporting this mandate are prepared to have their freight delivered late because there will be trucks sitting everywhere waiting for their clock to tell them when they're ready I really think it's time for an all out STRIKE we tried to do it the proper way but even our President won't take a meeting with the small guy
I'm a 17 yr driver and have worked for 6 companies who used a form of ELD's. No they will not make truck driver's safer. Only proper training and common sense will make a truck driver safe to travel our roads. The more I see our ELD Equipped trucks the more speeding happens to rush the 14 hour clock. It causes bad decisions to be made by the trucker. The will FORCE driver's to drive tired. There are a host of other reasons the ELD MANDATE is a SAFETY problem for the trucking industry. When I started driving a truck in July 2000 I loved the freedom of CHOOSING to do what was RIGHT & SAFE. My body clock is the ONLY thing I listen to. When it tells me I'm TIRED I pull over and givey body the rest it needs so therefore I can continue to be a SAFE DRIVER and watch for ANYTHING that will restrict the procession of the advancement of me reaching the destination in which has been in trusted to me to deliver or to pickup. One of the reason's I have stayed in the trucking industry is because I DO NOT HAVE SOMEONE WATCHING ME TO MAKE SURE I DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE Safely.
The ELD MADATE will take that freedom AWAY FROM ME.
I am an adult. If I wanted to be detailed tracked I would get marries again. I DO NOT NEED the Government to treat me like I am a CONVICT. My sister taught me all about that when I was a teenager.My Mother is in heaven and her & the Lord keeps me on the right track.
Absolutely not the electronic logs forces you to drive when you're sleepy you have no choice in the matter because of the 14-hour clock companies are pushing you to the razor's Edge on Department times to get there so you do not have time to do nothing but take the 30 minute break if you are sleepy it used to be you could stop and get you a quick nap then make it up on the other end and keep rolling with the electronic logs that is impossible that's one reason 2 Reasons the AEF the electronic logs makes you run all kind of weird hours yes you may have just came off of a 10-hour break or a 34-hour restart if you did not get good sleep on your 10-hour break when you come off you may be wore out and already sleepy or you might get down the road 2 hours and you just can't stay awake with the ELD mandate on the 14-hour clock you have to push through to make your delivery appointments because the company set them too tight or the electronic log may have you taken your 10-hour break in the middle of the day and you cannot sleep you cannot get any sleep then you're forced to drive all night long and try to stay awake which is sometimes total impossible where you used to go stop take a quick nap you can't do it anymore with the ELD you only have time for that 30 minute break next thing you come off a 34-hour restart you coming off of your 34-hour restart let's say at 9:10 in the evening well be honest how many people are able to sleep 34 hours the electronic log says okay your body is ready to go the company looks at that electronic log yes you are legally to drive your body is ready they looking at the electronic log but it's all how much rest did you get that day was you able to sleep but yet the company's push you you call the company and say please could you change his appointment I'm not going to be able to make it but cause I am tired they always tell you well your log ELD log says you have been sleep for 10 hours you have been off for 34 hours but how much rest did you get in that time and they refused to change appointments and forced drivers to drive exhausted we're with the old paper logs yes you was able to stop take a two or three-hour nap and make it up on the end not with the electronic log but if they take somebody would change the 14-hour clock where it would give you a little leverage to stop and get some rest every now and then where are you do not have to push for that for 14 hours straight that would help but that will not happen another example the company I drive for since they installed electronic logs in our trucks the accident rate has went up almost 60% four major accidents in October alone cars from fatigue drivers pushing electronic clock because they cannot take time to stop and get a break get rest with the electronic log the way the company sets up appointments you do not have time to take a shower you do not have time to stop and eat you do not have time to do anything but pushed your truck especially if you sit in a customer according to the. You cannot put that Sleeper Berth time you have to have that on-duty not driving time which you could be back to sleep trying to get some rest while you loading but according to the government you can't even though you're not doing nothing but sitting in the truck this is a major joke somebody needs to go through and fix the problems if they could do something with his 14-hour clock and fix it where we not want lose so much time in the customers or at least let us go in The Sleeper Berth week sometimes we are at a customer for at 9:10 eleven open 24 hours Bi-Lo they won't all that log on duty not driving you're not doing any work you sitting up in the truck twiddling your thumbs watching TV or playing with your phone when you could be back to sleep it's a problem needs to be fixed and God I wish somebody would fix it electronic logs is not the answer though but on the other hand electronic log would work if they would go in and refix the 14-hour clock where you can
Eld's will have the complete opposite effect of safety. Facts of having safer roads comes from the experienced trainers of 5 years +, someone who is fresh out of school has no business in training someone who is just getting into the industry,you have to crawl before you can walk!
The government needs to look into these mega carriers that are self insured who are allowed to overlook a driver's "bad habits" just to fill a seat, take away the ability to self insure and create a system forcing them to insure outside of themselves this will slow the mill down with a prosperous effect of safety as well as putting a minimum amount of yrs experience to allow certification of being a trainer.
This is looking more and more like a corporate greed power struggle . Just this morning a letter sent to one of my customers ,soliciting their business , by one of the Mega carriers was brought to me. In the niche business I'm in, that is highly unusual.
63 dead at the hands of Swift trucks alone should tell you everything you need to know as to the NEGITIVE effect this bill will have on safety.
This mandate is just to run the small companies that can't afford it out of business. All the mega carriers are on elds and they cause most wrecks and fatalities.
Fmcsa has already said it will not improve saftey
The roads will less safe than they are right now. ELD's will cause drivers to be in a rush every minute while they're behind the wheel. Drivers will be far more stressed out also.
They need to take the money to put in place ELD's and go after the real problem. Better education and training for new inexperienced drivers as well as a re-education to the general population on the rules of the road. Everyone needs to re-read the drivers ed manual and respect the road and big rigs. That would increase safety, NOT ELD's that force truckers to "race" the clock.
Doesn't matter what you say or do,it's All about$$$$, UNLESS EVERY SINGLE TRUCK DRIVER WIL GO ON STRIKE, I MEAN EVERY ONE, IF THERE WAS A FUND FOR TRUCKERS TO USE TO PAY BILLS THEN ITS POSSIBLE, NOT EVERYONE CAN GO ON STRIKE BECAUSE NEED TO PAY BILLS
3 hours on your ELD. 9 pm friday evening snowing in Madison,WI and your yard is in Chicago. what you gonna do? go to sleep and do 34 hours restart in Madison instead of home or push 65/mph to make it.?
here is your answer if its gonna be safer with ELD .
safer would be sleep 6-8 hours for storm to pass and roads to clear and be back home safe.
winter is coming and again you will see Fedex trucks and other big company trucks beating the clock and flying 70 on iced roads, but this winter will do the same because government know better.
Drivers are not robots, understand that please. No two humans are the same so you can't restrict their life (work / play time) under one rule. Everybody has a different schedule. I like taking a nap in the afternoon for two or three hours and letting the Chicago rush traffic end, start driving afterwards when roads are clear. Under new rule I (and people like me) would be forced to drive, further contributing to traffic congestion. How is that safe or smart? People writing these laws should be put behind a semi -truck's steering wheel for a month to understand that theory and practice are far apart here
I have been driving for 30+ years and the 11-10 hour rule is a pain in the butt when we had the 10-8 rule life was great no-one that is making or contemplating this ELD can,t possibly have driven a TRUCK before ELD is and will cause more problems than it solves the problem is simple not enough parking for us if and when we have to stop or wait also it's a race against the clock and no clock can tell you when you are tired only your body and mind I see it now every day the guy's on ELD running a certain speed never slowing down in inner cities for the posted speed limits if you think it's bad now imagine everyone in this mode sorry I could go on and on but no one listens to us but if we STRIKE WE ARE THE WORST TERRORIST IN THE WORLD.....AMERICA STOPS ELD IS NOT THE ANSWER
35 years 4.5 million miles no chargable accidents, no moving violations in 25 years, and no ELD's . So now the government wants to tell me how to drive. So Micheal Harvey do you realy think all these little companies and o/o can afford drop yards or leaving trailers sitting idle. That's just dumb, it shows your lack of experience and how brainwashed you are. So you think sitting at a dock for 10 hours without access to a bathroom is fine. Hell even the worst criminals in prison have that right. So you think it's safer to sit and wait for a blizzard to drop 7-8 inches of snow on the road then drive then to leave a couple hours early and drive on dry roads. Good call. That is what experience gives me, the knowledge to know when it's safe. Safty is a lot more then just sleep, it's knowing machines, traffic, road conditions, weather, and much more. IT'S A LIFE STYLE not just a job.
Yes it will help I've been driving 3 years I talk to other drivers that say they cheat and try and impress me I roll my eyes. Now you people can't cheat you don't want it because you are a liar. Some truckers I talk to don't care they cheat I hope this ruins it for you! Eld not the problem it's the 14 hour if they didn't have that be better but problem is trucking companies would force the driver to drive they need to give drivers more control for example do the 14 rule but if that driver wants to drive over that that's up to him and legally you can't hold that against and can't entice him or she to drive more but this probably never happen shipping companies you want the control now we would get places faster shippers would probably need to set up more drops not live loads and would make need for more drop yards now going back on 14 hour rule if they got rid of that I would love it no stress when at shipper waiting to get in I feel like I could sleep because no stress of a 14 hour rule take all the time you want I'm sleeping in piece
No safety with eld..... Plz get all together to stop it.
I've run both.. I think it's safer with paper logs. Drivers don't feel as pressured to get through the day. If you have a clock staring at you all day, it stresses you out and makes you rush to beat that clock. I'm sick of the government ramming shit down our throats and treating us like children. All these preventive laws are just to boost government revenue. The government does not give a shit about our safety it's all about how much money can they get out of tax paying citizens.
I run ELD's & it doesn't make anything safer. When I start that log I have exactly 14 hours to completely finish my day, no driving 5 more miles to the truck stop to park. It's a load of crap!
Its not about safety its about accountability
I've done both. When you get tired you can't stop with ELD or you loose your time. Your body is not a machine it can't be turned off & on
Having ELD’s will NOT make people safer cuz that means your telling a driver when he has to drive.
This hole thing is just messing up with was a good professional jobs in the offices, the shops, and in the seats.I'm 10 years short of retirement (35 plus years in trucking business) Just makes me sick about the hole thing.
Guns just killed 59,injured over 500! They can't fix that but they want to regulate me and my single truck? No amount of eld will make a dangerous safer,sorry.
It all boils down to one thing. It's the federal government stripping us of our rights. The freedom of choice. I hate to say this, but our so called law makers don't care what we the people have to say about a law they pass.
So if i buy a trk 2000 are older i dnt have to run the eld wat crap are they going to makenit harder to have a trk that old
For all you eld lovers out there, if you want to use elds, fine. The rest of us don't need it rammed down our throat, like all the rest of the regulations in the name of safety, since deregulation, that we have to pay for and don't get compensated for. Oh, yeah, I forgot, it's in the rate. You eld'ers make it out like there's body parts strewn about the highways behind every truck on paper logs and we are all running five or six books at once. No one's doing that. Borrowing a couple of minutes or hours here or there,yes but no one is going down the road with totn out log papers flying through the air like an untarped garbage truck. You want eld's I'm fine with that. But don't berate us who have been on paper our whole 20-30 plus years because you have never worked where they had paper, or maybe you just can't grasp the concept of how to fill one out.
For as long as I've been driving, I've never bought a log book. Why is it not, all of a sudden we have to pay for this crap we don't want, with no extra compensation. The companies want it, the government wants it, they should pay for it.
Stop talking about it and just park the trucks for a week. With out us where would have all the Fema help came from last few weeks. They tell us when hauling Fema loads we can override the HOS. Let's all stick together for once white, black, blue, or green.
My ex is a truckk driver, illegall as fuck. Paper logs can easily be altered. Drivers do it all the time. Not all but most of them do. Everybody is worried aboit driving exhausted now. Well they are doing it NOW. Drivers forget that everytime they run their debit card there's a paper trail, to fuel up. Between all the illegal shenanigans, human trafficking, illegals, and yes drugs being hauled in trucks everyday, nobody talks about that. All this illegal activity will come to a screaching hault.
Small companies can't have that because it is not worthy and no wan want to drive for free time is the key on trucking bisnes this HOP has to think about it otherwise there will be empty shelves at all stor
Most of the larger carriers already have ELDs or something equivalent. Look at their safety ratting, Swift, werner ent. Ect. Their safety ratting sucks. All they will accomplish is making people drive tired and unsafe. There is a shortage of drivers now, there will be a big shortage of over the road drivers and livestock drivers if the mandate don't change
I've personally talked to at least a dozen driver's, each with at least 20 years of driving experience, say they'll hang up the keys if this mandate stays. I don't know if they will all follow through but just think, 240+ years of experience gone. Who will replace them? Rookies fresh out of "driving school". Sound safer to you? I'm an O/O with a perfect safety score. How will an ELD improve on that?
Retired in 2004 after 40 years on the road logging over 6 million miles without a chargeable accident. yes I cheated on my log book but I never drove tired and was never late on delivery. I can't believe this eld thing will make things any safer for truckers. Use common sense drivers and be safe out there. God Bless !!
25 years. No accidents. No log book tickets. In short, I am under more pressure now to drive faster and more tired than I ever have before. This mandate does nothing to enhance safety. It has hurt my productivity to the tune of about 25%. More quality training, ( not pay money and go to work) and a fair HOS rulebook would be a good start.
Everone knew this was coming, big companies have been running them for years, been running paper for 28 years and yes I cheated every day just like the rest of u and yes there's been may a day I should have taken longer breaks, the first 2 weeks on eld just about done me in, but once u have a routine it works, everone who has run paper has cheated hours u know it and I do, know if elds makes trucking safer well time will tell, yes I am a o/o have never driven for other people so I know what I am talking about, all these companies that's fighting to stop this eld start u is just taking ur money, it's coming so if u don't like it go back to work at Walmart ur stocking job u left for truck driving school is still available
This has nothing to do with safety. It's all about the money. Every large carrier has them and have had for sometime now. They need to check their safety records with and without the ELDs. I believe they are worse. I have driven for 25 year's and used both paper and electronic logs. Which make you drive less and sit more. Everyone knows waiting makes you tired.
This has nothing to do with safety. It's all about the money. Every large carrier has them and have had for sometime now. They need to check their safety records with and without the ELDs. I believe they are worse. I have driven for 25 year's and used both paper and electronic logs. Which make you drive less and sit more. Everyone knows waiting makes you tired.
The large companies out there that already have them have really bad safety records. I think worse than eld is the 14 hour rule.
The large companies out there that already have them have really bad safety records. I think worse than eld is the 14 hour rule.
Not Safe, too many drivers are gonna try to drive all of their time even tho they are tired and need a break. You will see more accidents with trucks involved because of this..
This is ELD farce is all about money, because if it were really about safety, they'd work on better, universal training standards. The selective information and lies that the FMCSA and the ATA (a lobbying group, NOT the self declared independent authority on trucking as they claim) are spewing is terrifying! Im also having a real problem accepting the fact that the people in charge of the decisions regarding the ELD mandate have no first-hand knowledge of the trucking industry. While they have prestigious government and political experience, not one of them appears to have any hands-on knowledge of trucking and no clue how trucking in the real world works. They are basically the equivalent of overpaid, armchair quarterbacks. I have come up with an analogy, using my fictitious pursuit of becoming a head coach in the NFL as an example:
I played volleyball in high school. I’ve played a few games of flag football. I also played little league baseball and basketball in elementary school. My brother works in sports radio. I’ve attended numerous football games, basketball games, baseball games, etc. at all different levels. I also enjoy watching NFL games on TV and have been known to shout out a few plays and call the coach an idiot, because I feel my knowledge and play calling, while sitting on the couch at home, watching the game on TV, is much better than that of the head coach and the players on the field. Therefore, based on the logic being used by the FMCSA, the ATA and the lawmakers supporting the ELD mandate, I feel I am more than qualified to be a successful head coach in the NFL, as I feel my general sports knowledge is superior to those who have played the game and are out there on the field.
At least I’d have more knowledge and understanding of how the game is played than the people who are calling the plays and dictating the rules in the trucking industry.
Changing careers....back to wrenching for a living. Only started driving truck to catch up on bills after a 6 yr recuperation. Young 15 yr old slammed into pass van doing 100 mph, while i was stopped, waiting for traffic to pass so i could make left hand turn. Posted speed limit 25mpb....by the way ...it was a SHERIFFS VAN!
I’ve been in this Industry driving for 30 years , I’ve ran paper logs and an ELD in my Peterbilt ,
The ELD has forced me to drive sleepy many times trying to make a pickup or delivery on time just to get there sit and wait to get loaded or reloaded , I’ve been 50 miles from my parents home and have had to take a 10 hr break , I’ve lost spending time with my Family and my Children after being gone for Months just to loose another 10 hours because of the Rules and the ELD , I’ve spent months on the Road trying to feed my family and pay my bills and I live in my truck because I can barely survive , the rates are so cheap I have no choice but to stay out to make enough money .
The ELD is not about Safety
The 14 hour rule is not about Safety either. They both are stressful and dangerous and I’m tired of racing a clock to do my Job . I’m to the point I don’t even enjoy what I do anymore. And this Was my whole Life and my Dreams. Now it’s become a nightmare .
The large carriers and their lobbyists on both sides of the border have pushed politicians into believing so, and let's face facts all that takes is money. ELD's have been about one thing from the beginning and only one thing, that is taking away the decision from the driver/operator. I have run ELD's now continuously since 2003 and I like them, however I still follow the rules that have been put in place. I don't drive when I'm tired or past hours, because I am a professional and I choose to keep my record clean. With ELD's the decision is no longer supposed to be the driver's responsibility or choice and that is wrong and why safety was never the ultimate goal.
I personally have been phoned and told I have to make a delivery that night, when I don't have available hours to do so. The back and forth with Dispatch went on for a while before they said "You need to look again", I did and I had 4 hours left on my day where prior the the phone call I was 3/4 of an hour from finished for the day. While employed with another carrier I was sent to see safety where all my logs where up on the computer. The safety director went through them one by one and changed things all over, in order to allow me to keep working without a 36 hour reset (Canada) so as to get more fuel delivered. In the first incident I drove my 3/4 hour, took my rest, drove over the pass and arrived at the customer before 8am, and still had to wait to have enough room to unload all of the regular gas into the stations storage. With the other example I refused to re-sign "my logs" and was reprimanded and written up for refusing to comply with the safety director's ruling, by my choice I did not work for that company much longer. It is true it is much more difficult if not next to impossible for the driver to "edit" or change his or her logs. The company's themselves will now have all the power in that regard, the less scrupulous among them will take full advantage of that power. As a professional driver it will only be your choice to stick up for yourself and refuse to be pushed or manipulated, as it always has been.
At the end of the day professional drivers will still be just that, professional. People that allow themselves to be manipulated into "racing the clock" or working un-safely, were doing so before and will continue to do so, and therefore do not deserve to be classified professional.
I've already seen the results this summer with trucks speeding through work zones. Going across the Ohio turnpike it wasn't out of the ordinary to lose 30 to 45 minutes following the posted speed. For me personally it's not a problem but if you're on a tight schedule it is.
It will only make driving more dangerous than it already is running red lights and speeding trying to hurry and get a parking spot it's going to be an absolute nightmare for people on the road ways and very unsafe !!!!!!!!!!
It's not going to be good for shippers paying at least 30% more for freight. Safety is not what this is about it's about it's about profits for the electronics. I can't quote how many trucks are going to have buy these products.but would estimate 3 million times minimum of $150.00 each. Who is getting paid off.
Its going to be very hazardous all the trucks trying to beat the clock if you don't beat the clock then the driver or company will be fined for being late very huge cost for owner operators all the politicians need to ride with a real trucker and see what there up against out here on the road any takers
Its going to be very hazardous all the trucks trying to beat the clock if you don't beat the clock then the driver or company will be fined for being late very huge cost for owner operators all the politicians need to ride with a real trucker and see what there up against out here on the road any takers
I retired from trucking almost 5 years ago due to new HOS rules and the possibility of ELD being required in trucks. I felt then and still do that the new rules and ELDs did not improve safety but would cause more unsafe incidences on the roadways.
It won't make roads safer it won't make trucks safer it won't serve any purpose other than to line pockets.
I'd like to see it make shippers accountable for their actions with holding us up at the docks but I'm sure it won't even serve that purpose because detention isn't federally enforced and even if it was the government thinks a piece of equipment sitting should only be able to charge $20/hour which is bullshit when you drag a truck into the shop and they bill you $110+/hr for a tech to stand there with their thumb up their ass. All this is going to do is raise costs not just on the transportation side of things, but also in the stores. That's exactly what this is going to do all in the name "safety" and saving something like 7 lives a year...seems to me a lot more lives were lost a few days ago and they weren't taken by a tired truck driver who was over on hours...just my .02
I have been using one for about 6 months and WOW!!!. I have already loss 1000.00 s of dollars in revenue.i also fell like a mad man behind the wheel now.My stress level has gone through the roof.I am already experiencing medical issues due to the stress.This is by far the craziest thing I have had to deal with in 24 years plus.of trucking.The ELD will make the industry a very deadly place to work.in morning ways than one.i feel something must be done with the 14 hour clock to make this work.
I feel as you should have given a maybe choice.
I feel as the shippers, recovers are not ready for this. The country is in real trouble. Not your milk but everything else you use is going to be held up. And the hold up is going to be in the shippers docks. When drivers sit for hours getting loaded or unloaded.
Let's also not forget most drivers are paid dirt wages. We do NOT get paid to sit getting loaded or for our off duty time.
The logging is not going to change...but the cheaters are going to have a hard time. You log however long the job rakes on elog. Cheaters back up on paper and this is why they are mad at the ELD. NO MORE CHEATERS and a lot less money for us already not making enough.
Heck noooo!!!! All the big companies run them an still run over cars an other objects!!! An cause wrecks..
Safety thats a joke..tjis will make it worse...change the 14 hour clock to 11 hours in 16 with and 8 hour rest. I drive tired now whty because I'm up against a clock.
ELD's aren't going to make poor drivers any better or good drivers any worse we need to take POOR UNSAFE drivers off the road. And mainly get rid of the 14-hour clock let me drive five hours sleep for four drive five sleep for four get my 70 hours in and be done actually I'd like to work 40 hours a week
Driving should be left up to driver they are alot of good drivers out there let them decide when they are tired not a computer an let people learn to drive more than 3weeks thanks????. Driving school should teach you how to drive more than 3 weeks you can't learn to drive a18 wheeler in that time
No! Safety starts with training, from someone with 5+ years experience!
They got to stop the clock & split the sleep time. ....if you don't Have a drop n hook gig you may as well quit driving
No it's not going to make things safe it's going to be worse everybody that's on eld now is rushing against the clock
You truckers have the power to shut down world economy and get anything you want. Just refuse to run your trucks for 5 days and see what happens. I bet the ELD mandate would disappear and your wages would go up.
Some politician is getting rich off the deal
No ..I was unknowing hauling my own stuff till I got stopped.....no log or dot numbers....I am now legal....i used to drive at a leisurely pace and not rush or come close to even speeding ...(.now I do have a eld in my truck because I thought it was a for sure thing that would be forced down our throats....) so now I find myself pushing harder and driving more aggressive to make miles before my drive time runs out....I just made it home from Amarillo to beaumont with 7 whole minutes to spare and was worried about making it close but not running out of time...it's crazy to think that I could be forced to stop only 20-30 miles from home for 10 hours rest before driving again to be at home if you follow the law now......eld won't make anything safer to me....if anything it will make it worse because you are on a stop watch....and nothing is constant....traffic...loading....other drivers.....weather....etc.....the problem is the HOS law ....not the time keeper or the instrument used to track is....no one is the same robot and don't sleep the same times ... Body clocks work different for each one of us....it's not a one size fits all in a box....leave the trucking industry alone and if they really want to make it safe then use real drivers to solve the issues at hand....
The issue here isn't the E.L.D. mandate It is the messed up hour of service regulation. I have no problem with an E.L.D. in my truck.My issue is being forced to drive when it is unsafe, e.g. weather, traffic, or fatigue. Once my 14hr clock starts I am forced to continue driving until my 14hr "On Duty" clock is up. There will be to many times when I will be forced to continue driving even when I feel it is unsafe. Do I operate in gray areas now using a paper log? Yes, but I also have over 3 million safe, accident free miles behind me. When I am tired I sleep, when I'm rested I drive. If I can beat a snow storm by pushing past my "legal" hours, I do. If I can avoid high traffic volumes in major cities by taking a 3-4hr nap, I do. E.L.Ds. will only force me into unsafe situations and even worse force me to drive as fast as I can to try to stay ahead of the clock. Change the Hours of Service regulations first and I will be all to happy to comply with the E.L.D. mandate
Statically proves truck drivers are safe when a non commercial vehicle is also involved. The ones we need to regulate is the non commercial vehicles. This past weekend I was returning from faction and it was a 2 hour drive. A state representative in his personal vehicle with representative tags on it was doing 80-100 mph darting in and out of traffic. Tell me that a truck driver was unsafe there...
Look at wernier drivers look how many accidents a year with eld
ELD will only make somebody richer :)
ELD will not make roads safer it will be the other way around it will make roads more dangerous ..because wanna remind u all HUMAN BODY also a truck driver (somebody doesn't consider the truck driver as human) Body is NOT a ROBOT and earlier politician realize would be better for the roads and people...
I am sick and tired to see on a daily basis how is the truck driver being treated ..
No one especially those who haven't driven a truck for a living should tell a truck driver when to sleep or when to take a break it dhould be up to the individual we are all adults, most of us, everyone has a different sleep pattern , i don't know anyone who can sleep 10 hours in a truck, i don't sleep that long in my own bed. The government just wants to keep the trucking industry especially oo's under there control. If we install the eld's are they the government or shippers gonna replace the lost wages of thousands of truck drivers including my self. No we'll have to adjust our life style that's what they'll say. They sit there making six figures or more and make these rules that they wouldn't wanna live by or couldn't live by if they had families and bills like we do. It's all bull, 32 yrs for me and haven't had a problem till the government and others put there hands into something they know little about.
Start rolling road blocks. Drive at 25 mph (both lanes) starting Dec. 18.
I am an OLD trucker. I started when power steering was a bigger steering wheel. Ratchet spring seats. And solid rubber biscuit suspension. We got er done! I have hauled everything but cars. Chemicals gasoline frozen swinging beef from Greeley hauled explosives in the Rockies to mines. LET THE DRIVERS DECIDE WHEN TO SLEEP AND WHEN TO DRIVE. THEY ARE ADULTS. Just make the driving test more stringent and require more experience before going solo.
After 39 years of driving being told when you can drive and when you can't will definitely not be safer
They say ELDs makes the driver safer. No it don't the driver is going to be only as safe as a driver is ever going to be it is all on the driver about safety. I see young drivers out here today with ELDs and all I see is that they are racing the clock. Trying to push cars to town tailgating staying in the Middle Lane impeding traffic because you're scared traffic coming on the highway is going to eat at their time saw them down they don't share the road they don't share the enthusiasm as an owner operator they're out here to steer the wheel and work about 300 miles and call it quits play on her computer smartphone Exedra at the truck stop. Those must have been out here for years don't need a damn babysitter.. I heard somebody ask the other day what does it take to become an old-timer well I will tell you the old timers are about gone these are the guys that struggled with no power steering no Jake brakes no AC no air ride suspension no air ride seats and was able enough to make it thru the sixties and seventies to educate guys that started in the late seventies early eighties. Guys from this era where the last of the old timer. And I tell you why them guys educated from 1985 when the CDL came out a lot of drivers went to a driving school that taught the very basics to get a CDL not to MANAGE a truck..MANAGE A TRUCK not drive. Drivers that were educated by old timers that has tried to help the Young Buck is wasting his time because of Young Buck don't want to learn. My number one motto is if you cannot stop there is no sense in going check your brakes and if somebody tells you oh I can stop you ask them how do you know and they cannot give a good straight answer they know nothing about brakes. The old timers taught that and how to maintain your truck with a true pre-trip inspection. I see so many trucks today where nobody raises a hood anymore. Steering wheel holders of the past 20 years knows nothing of their truck because you're told to not mechanics not realizing they are responsible for this vehicle when I get behind the driver seat they will be no more old timers they're almost dead and gone those of us that was lucky enough to learn from the old timers all I can say is thank you old-timer for teaching me the correct way the kids up today have not a clue of the education that they refuse to receive. ELDs is a joke for somebody to put your thumb on the driver like FMCSA. If they would change the hours of service then they might not have so much of a drawback as far as safety there's not a safe driver out here unless you're an old timer or one that has been taught by an old-timer. education old-timers gave was one and a lifetime experience they were educators to save your life and others to teach you the right way to maintain your equipment. Old Timers is what we need educating this new breed of steering wheel holder cuz I have no respect for anyone. No common courtesy out here anymore. If they want preach safety they better come up with some new schools that teach these people something cuz all I see is a catastrophe and Horizon big companies have their own insurance company in house they pay their way through life now if we could have the real numbers of accidents and what has caused them I believe the Eld and these new schools would not be on the radar
All the accidents started when they stopped letting you brake up your driving Time up so if you wanted to stop and take a nap you could but know you can't forcing drives to drive sleepy, because you can't loose driving time you got to go. , driving 11hours straight with only a1/2brake that you can log off duty, The wrong people are making the rules and regulations
If this was really about safety-as the government claims-we as drivers wouldnt be forced to drive within a 14 hr window -the REAL safety issue is all the inexperienced truck drivers that only have 3 weeks of trucking school for experience-elds all in the name of safety-yea right
I believe there will be more accidents from drivers trying to get to their destinations on time than we have currently.
Telling a driver is an assault on owner operator.how do you know when I'm tired? Drive 11 hrs the day is 24 hrs.I drive for 11 / 10 he reset? Well I'm not tired 11 hrs after I wake are you 4/5 hrs to unwind now I can drive in with 5 hrs sleep? Now I'm unrested but legal to drive .can't rest cause I have. To drive 11 hrs in a 14 hour window.not to mention they tell me when to eat .so now I'm told when to work how to work when to sleep.oh yeah I can't work over 70 hrs in 7day then have to rest 2 days before I can work again.imagine being told when to eat sleep and what days to work
It is going to be a disaster for our drivers and the economy will tank when people can't afford anything in the stores it is already pushing freight rates sky high which is great for companies but we haven't seen the best rates come December people will see at least some freight up to 10.00 a mile watch and see
I think its ridiculous how all the rest areas amd truck stops get so full, truckers must park DANGEROUSLY on the shoulder of the highway or risk and fine/penalty. I agree truckers will drive even if theyre tired just because they must use their time or lose and risk being late. The government must not understand without trucks the US as we know it stops
I think its ridiculous how all the rest areas amd truck stops get so full, truckers must park DANGEROUSLY on the shoulder of the highway or risk and fine/penalty. I agree truckers will drive even if theyre tired just because they must use their time or lose and risk being late. The government must not understand without trucks the US as we know it stops
I think more people will drive tired trying to use up there driving time and get to there destination
If you look at current crash data you will find that trucks with elds are having more accident then with out it makes you drive when you are tired and makes you drive faster where you should not just to make up lost time plus all the bigger companies that have already implemented elds have high turn over thus constantly hiring inexperienced drivers and training is not efficient. I've been driving for 30 years and can't believe some of the stuff I see out here.
All this is going to do is make people drive while being tired. Because they couldn't sleep well on there last 10 off but now the eld says there good to go. Humans should be able to make there own decisions on when they need sleep , everybody has different sleep patterns.
No electronic device is going to know how you feel or if your fit to drive.. dam near boarder line slavery if you ask me.
Don't need a electronic device to tell me when I'm tired an need to take a break it's all a money thing for the government