Are public employees paid too much, too little or just right?

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  • Freddy Chang - 12 years ago

    These pay scales are much higher than private industry now and the benefits much greater. Public service has been marked by diminished performance (with some outstanding performers) and a supreme level of arrogance. Let's see some pay cuts and performance based pay. The incessant whining is just bringing America down. I didn't complain when I became a disabled war veteran... while getting paid peanuts; so spare me the martyr attitudes.

  • NewtoQuincy - 15 years ago

    I am sick to my stomach to think that this information is public information. These men and women work their job and sometimes work more than 40 hours a week. They are compensated for it just like you and I would be in our jobs. If you are not......find a job that does. If you want to make that amount of money find a new job. There are people risking their lives everyday here in the states and abroad and this is the news we want to print and read. WOW!!! There are more important issues to be thinking about than what your local police and fireman are making....I say KUDOS to you that made that amount of money...thank you for your service and BE SAFE~Be Strong and best of luck on making the list next year. :-)

  • ashamedofquincy - 15 years ago

    It is a sad day when civil servants are making this sort of money at the expense of the people they have been elected and hired to serve. I am glad this list was published so more people have an idea of just how wasteful the City of Quincy is being with its citizens tax dollars. If the list of salaries was for a bank there would be a legislative session called to investigate the poor business practices and waste of taxpayer money. Oh wait, this is taxpayer money, it is a waste, let's see what happens. I wish this list came to light a little earlier so they mayor would feel more pressure to deal with this.

    Police making over $100k, is that a joke? It's too bad someone didn't put a clause in their union contract that was directly tied to the crime rate in the city, bonuses if crime was reduced and garnished wages for crime increases. We would have a safer city and police paid a higher salary for a job well done. As anyone that lives in the city knows, crime is up and police behavior and etiquette is laughable. On any given weekend night you can find at least half a dozen police sleeping in their cruisers in their known congratating spots behind buildings around the city. Sadly this is someone very well known to many citizens and the police brass. Looking at some of the top police wage earners is like reading a whose who of the police disciplinary review board and court systems. Anyone remember the Marina Bay shooting incident with cops shooting their guns in the air? How about the DUI cases that got turned over? Remember the Quincy cop driving over 100mph down the southeast expressway under the influence? Yes, that office was acquitted of the charges and was reinstated with back pay. The fraternity known as the Quincy legal system keeping our streets safe alright. They may arrest a criminal here and there but who is keeping us safe from the police? There is also the tired argument about the danger of being in harms way. Guess what, that is what you signed up for at the base salary you knew about. Take a look at our military. Here are folks that live in harms way. Military personnel make peanuts compared to these salaries and many of the front line folks face a lot more, real danger in a week then most police will face their entire careers.

    Don't even get me started on firefighters making that kind of money. Yes, you will hear the same tired old reasons about "rushing into burning buildings"....spare me. Most of what the firefighters do is respond to medical calls and false building fire alarms. They work 2 days a week and of that "work" they lounge around the firehouse better then 50% of that time. Don't take my word for it. I invite any taxpayer of the City of Quincy to go to any firehouse any day of the week to see just how "hard" these folks are working for their wages. I assure you if anyone in the private sector was "working" this hard for their money they would be in the unemployment line.

    There are good cops and firefighters out there and I do respect the work they do. Should any of them be making over $100k, no, not even close.

  • N/A - 15 years ago

    Teabin, I'm not on this list, douche. But the people who are are actually in positions that deserve the pay. In fact, if it were the private sector, they'd be getting a lot more. And for the people who get all that OT money, good for them. Maybe if you don't want to see someone making 6 figures because of OT, you should go pressure the city to not lay people off. Or maybe you go pressure them to hire more people. That's the stem of the OT problem; That we're all undermanned. And so you know, in case you don't, Quincy Fire is operating with only one working ladder truck. How about you go put pressure on the city to fix the truck? Would you like it if you were hanging out your window, about to die from either jumping or in a fire, but the truck that pulls up can't get you out because the ladder's broken on it? I know I wouldn't. But you're about to see a lot more of that shit, and I honestly hope that it's cock suckers like you that end up getting killed because of it.

  • Teabin - 15 years ago

    N/A, the fact that you are on the list is the problem.

  • KM - 15 years ago

    I'd like to see these same people that are saying they are overpaid put their lives on the line everyday when they go to work! It's pretty easy for them to drive to their cushy office, in their heated Range Rover in the luxury office downtown and sit on their high horse telling the real heroes that they make too much! Pathetic!

  • Kathy Hogan - 15 years ago

    No question about it, police and fire employees lay their lives on the line when the occasion demands it. And we are very grateful and appreciate their risks and sacrifices. But soldiers and other military in Iraq and Afghanistan lay their lives on the line 24/7, just by being there, and look at the pay they receive. It's a very big discrepancy. And don't forget, there are many unsung heroes out there, too, who do their work because they love it but are on the other end of the pay scale, such as people who work for community service organizations. They don't have unions to represent them. They would love to be paid even $55,000 or $60,000; try to support a family on less than that!

  • MassCop - 15 years ago

    I also agree, most people consider us police as over paid....But I'd like them to work a few shifts in our boots. I didn't make 100k in 2008...but I will tell you I worked an average of 60 hours per week. I did this to support my family. People hate us because we lock up their families, write speeding tickets, and tell them what they can and cannot do. Well I'm sorry...The state enacted the laws long ago, I just enforce them. I picked this job because I like serving the public. I do it, to give myself the satisfaction that I am keeping my family and the people of my community safe....I served 8 years in the Army for the same reasons. So the next time you get pulled over...its not because we are out to get you...we are doing our job, nothing more, nothing less...yes there are bad apples in the field, but that goes the same for any profession....although it's been past practice that it's not newsworthy unless it has to do with a civil servant....

  • Dennis Tarrant - 15 years ago

    Public employees are such an easy target. Most of us rarely ever talk to one directly. It's so easy to make them scape goats. Overall, most of them do a great job. When comaprisons are made to private sector workers, the over pay issue goes away. Then there is the privatizing concept that some places are implementing: grossly underpaid, zero benefit employees who have high turnover, don't do their jobs well, but don't cost a lot, plus little voter oversight. Take your pick, folks.

  • N/A - 15 years ago

    You people complain that we make too much money. When half of the FD, PD and teachers get laid-off, and you see the number of fatal fires, and deaths from other emergencies, are on the rise, your car or house gets broken into, and you wonder why your kid still can't count to 20 even when using all their fingers and toes, you'll only have yourselves to thank for screwing the fire, police and teachers. You'll be demanding more action on the city's part, but oh no, how's that gona happen? You decided that there needs to be less of us. So I say, as one of the above listed public employees, rot in hell. I hope your house catches fire and it isn't saved because the firehouse down the street just got closed, or you park your car out front of 1500 Hancock and you come to find it's not there anymore, and I hope to hell your kid has autism, but no one can help them because you blame your lack of performance, thus resulting in your own layoff, on us and demand that there are less of us.

    Also, maybe if we were staffed the way we're supposed to be, there wouldn't be so much overtime. And just because we work in the public services, doesn't mean we don't deserve overtime. Are you people retarded? You work over 40 hours a week and you make OT for it. If you don't, that's your own fault. Maybe if you weren't lazy and retarded, you'd be able to get and keep a good job. Maybe if you didn't sign into a mortgage that you can't really afford, you wouldn't find yourself struggling to survive. My point is, don't blame the few smart people who work hard, and selflessly for a living for your shortcomings.

  • ProPolice - 15 years ago

    Hey, Christian I think you hit it on the head. Prople are upset because police in general do there jobs and sometimes that means writting a speeding ticket and we all hate that, now don't we.

    Ialso spent 12 years in the military but I don't remember ahving to pay for housing, food, medical benefits, schooling for my kids, taxes, ect.

  • ProPolice - 15 years ago

    For those of you that wish to hear the truth, give me a few moments. The new regulations on flaggers: 1) prevailing wage for 2009 33.45/hr, which is mandatory in the new reg's., not included in the billing rate of this number is payroll taxes, workers comp., insurance, profit to the company, training-that is mandated by the new reg's., overtime by flaggers (police are not on overtime and never is), vacation pay for flaggers (not paid in police details), mandated uniforms and equipment which is mandated by the new reg's.. MY QUESTION HERE IS WHERE IS THE SAVINGS PEOPLE. According to the states evaluation of the differences between flaggers/police details, there was an approximate $4.75 to $5.00 per hour savings. I don't see it when you calculate everything I mentioned above. Also the state was cute when they outline their findings in the evaluation by not adding them. In the evaluation they come out and say their findings don't include those items but, they burried in in text, not with the actual figures. Another fact, in the new reg's. at this time, training is done for MWRA employees and Mass. Highway employees only. With these folks you need to add in their health insurance, retirement benefits and any other perks they have. None of these are added topaid police details. NO SAVINGS THERE. I encourage anyone looking for the truth to investigate Mass. Executive Office of Transportation web site, all the information is there. We bash the police until we need them and what to cut, cut and cut from them, but want them to be compassionate to us. HMMMM??? Lastly, who wants to work shift work, nights, weekends, miss family events, deal with drug addicts, criminals carrying weapons, fraudulant lawsuits that freezes their life(can't buy or sell a house, buy a car or spend money in their account), have physical contact with people that have HEP B or C or HIV and they spit on you, ect..... This is going-on, on daily basis. Before you bash them, at times there are good reasons to, think about what I have mentioned. Also, don't we all have someone at our work that does things we don't like or screws up. If you say no then you aren't being truthful to yourself nor anyone else.

  • christian - 15 years ago

    in regards to anonymous and the other comments i would like to correct myself slighty police firemen should be paid well, they do protect and serve and we need them but 130,000 a year is extreme and absurd. 2 weeks ago firemen and police were being laid off in either fallriver or newbedford yet these men and women are making over 100,000 a year how many more cops could you put on the streets if these people were making 70,000 a year. i make 40,000 and do just fine raising a family of 2. your going to tell me that over 100,000 isnt enough i spent 6 years in the military. military on average makes less than 25000 a year and they RISK there lives EVERY DAY they dont give speeding tickets

  • State Employee - 15 years ago

    As a 3rd generation public employee civil servant in every sense of the word, the private sector makes far more for the same jobs. My dad an attorney for the state never made even close to what a a new law school graduate makes, but he loved his job. My mom who had a graduate degree could have much tons more money in the private sector. My own job counterparts in CT make over $10k more a year than I do. State employees are not hacks, we are dedicated civil servants and most people treat us thusly as if we arre servants.

  • Jim Perkins - 15 years ago

    I believe that flagman should only be used on roads with little or no traffic. Police should be used for the rest of the road and highway projects.
    The bottom line is that the use of flagman will cut the costs. Whether it's a City or State project, it will help the taxpayers save money.
    We have entered a time of National/World economic collapse/ DEPRESSION! We will all have to justify and account for each and every penny we spend. We will have to make sure that we use ALL methods and practices to gain maximum cost savings.

    REMEMBER THIS: On 6 December 1941, unemployment was well over 10%. It took WWII to end the depression for us.

  • Anonymous - 15 years ago

    As a daughter of one of the people in the “6 figure club”, I would like to say that I am absolutely saddened by the fact that people feel that my father’s income is any of their business. I understand that people pay taxes, but that doesn’t make it right to put my fathers personal business on the front page of a newspaper that is read across the state of Massachusetts. I think it’s funny that things like, “risking your life, avoiding drugs in the city, providing security for the city, and saving lives” is not included in the article that was written. Although it may seem like a lot of money to some how come how many people my father’s income supports isn’t included in that article? Like the number of dependant children he has, college tuitions he’s paying or the number of hours a week that he works to support my family on his salary alone? How come you didn’t include the amount he pays every year to support and help my extended family, members of the community or donations that he makes? Although people in this poll feel that my father is making “to much money”, take a second to put some other things into consideration. Like the number of times he has risked his life to save someone you know, or helped to put out fires in your neighborhood to avoid yours from burning down. How do you put a price tag on that? What about the long hours he worked when I was little to put food on the table? What about the numbers of Thanksgiving dinners and Christmas mornings my father has sacrificed to make sure there are firemen to be there incase anything’s happens to you on those holidays? People have a nerve to sit there and say that my father makes too much money, when he has no right to sit there and see how much your making yearly, or the number of hours you work, or what you do for a living. This article also doesn’t include any of the positive work any of these men and women do on a daily bases, they just want to look at the amount of money they are making. Not the sacrifices they or their families make. My father was able to give me and my siblings many opportunities with this money, and allowed us to provide that to our families in the future. Taking that away from firefighters, policeman and teachers because of what their neighbors think about it, it’s an absolute shame. Why don't we allow the firefighters and Policemen and women, take some time off to see if our city would remain the same, or would be have the same crime and problems like Randolph or Brockton? How about follow up article to this talks about the positive things these men and women do for the City of Quincy. Seems like everyone is being obsessed with a number…Scares me that the people responding to this article are so bitter because my father some day could lose his life to save yours...

  • Crouchback - 15 years ago

    Teachers work 9 months out of the year. If they worked a full year and were needed outside of their regular schedules, I would guess some might make it to the top of the list.

    As far as overtime for police officers and firefighters goes, I guess the fact is that their services are needed outside of their regular schedules -- sometimes after their shifts are over when some emergency has arisen or because they must fill in for public safety employees who are on vacation or out sick. Rather than hire more employees, cities sometimes avoid the expense of an additional salary and benefit costs by hiring officers on overtime.

    Perhaps if we can prevent public safety personnel from having vacation or sick time, we could cut these expenses. Better yet, if we can only get rid of this right for public safety employees to be paid for work they must do outside of their regular schedules then we could reduce how much we must pay them.

  • atc - 15 years ago

    Christian, don't forget alot of this money these overpaid self righteous greedy pigs get is overtime, would you be happy to have a doctor thats worked 70 -80 hours operate on you, how a cop or fireman thats doing 80 hours a week, makes me feel safe!

  • J Sullivan - 15 years ago

    Christian, next time you get robbed, have a car accident, have your house broken into, get beat up, have a medical emergency, etc., gather all the witnesses, take all their statements, arrest the suspects and prosecute the case in court on your day off for free. Oh you probably wouldn't want to do that but you want us to do it for you. Boy you people forget real soon. After 911 everyone loved us and said we were underpaid. Sad, very sad.

  • christian wynant - 15 years ago

    This is really sad and we wonder why we are in the position we are in!!!! bunch of THIEFS.... Why are all the administrators of the school system on the list but NO teachers?????? Richard Decristofaro, pamela Mateu and all the names between YOUR CROOKS and should be ashamed of yourselves!!!!

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