Andy, I will apologise to you though as I was wrong to insult you and in hindsight wasn't right of me do so. As for DaveB, I have nothing but contempt for you for falsely accusing me of something I haven't done and insulting me by inferring I am unbalanced. I would also point out that some of your ranting is hardly the act of a sound mind. You need to get a reality check yourself chummy.
Jim Bob - 15 years ago
Gee, I wish we could all perfect like DaveB or Ex fan in the making or whatever it is he likes to call himself, what a model fan. Now that is a REAL class act.
Andy - 15 years ago
Bonoman, you're still not making too much sense - why are you calling other people here idiots when you can barely construct a sentance?
Bonoman - 15 years ago
Andy whooo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I agree with YA DAVEB totally, cant remember the other person comments BUT yes the new album is more up beat and how I know well cant tell sorry, all I say is to the few idiots here ;-) I know my stuff and stats too and not been smart. But I am aware the new album has 3 or more upbeat tunes!.
OK just kidding with Andy just winding you up!!! look I am not the biggest fan of the new album BUT you should go to the concert, it is very very good. We should all respect each others opinion. ;-)
DaveB - 15 years ago
In some of the video snippets of the band in the recording studio for No Line, there were some really gritty high energy guitar riffs that didnt make it on No Line. I cant understand why. They sounded like some of Edge's best work. I hope that not ALL of Ascent is slow and meditative and we get a chance to hear some of those really good but unused riffs. I heard that "Every Breaking Wave" was an uptempo number. Hopefully, if it is a good song, we will get that one on Ascent.
DaveB - 15 years ago
And one other thing about Songs of Ascent (DaveB and DavidB are same guy BTW): A lot of great bands will introduce new songs in concert before they appear on an album. It gives the band a chance to tinker with it and get the fans reaction to it. It gives them a chance to improve it if it needs it. I really think that since u2 has already written several songs (Bono claims 9 songs are ready), they should introduce a few of them while on tour (maybe one per night here and there). Working with the songs live would improve the chances that the nest album will actually be a great album...and it really needs to be a great album.
Andy - 15 years ago
Actually Bonoman, the one bit that did make sense:
'with big tunes like beautiful day' - didn't U2 say it would be a low key meditative album?
DavidB - 15 years ago
And Bonoman: Dont believe Bono's initial words on Songs of Acent on how soon it would be out. They have been backtracking on that. I would be shocked if we see it before 2011.
Andy - 15 years ago
Bonoman, your message doesn't make any sense.
Bonoman - 15 years ago
Will someone tell *** to grow up !!! people please dont react to any silly messages and that lower yourself and have respect for each others opinion. Some people are taking things to far NB *** and other (they are Joke)
First point, been to all the shows since 91. Just been to see them in Dublin Sorry *** and whoever has negative views BUT very very sorry to hear that it was there best concert and thats not my opinion !!!!! Just go to a concert and have a good laugh !!! dont get me wrong not a big fan of the album but the concert was great. Remember U2 have a new album on the way with big tunes like beautiful day etc be out at the end of the year or early next year.
DaveB - 15 years ago
Larry: You said "Dont kid yourself, No Line is one of U2's best works, if not the best." I followed the press for two years leading up to the release. I read every snippet I could get my hands on. I believed we were getting another masterpiece...finally. I honestly believed we were going to get another album that wove into our soul the way Achtung or TUF did. When it came out I bought two copies..the day of release. ANd this was after I had listened to the stream on MySpace for about a week. For weeks I told myself it was right up their with their best....and I listened over and over. But then I realized I put it up there with their best because I WANTED it up there. I realized I was kidding myself.
Larry - 15 years ago
Am I a U2 fan...Yes. Would I wipe Bono's Ass..In a second. As for Bono hanging around Blair and Bush,well he would of hung around the devil if it ment geting more aid to Africa. Bono is on record for being opposed to the War.
No honest,ask yourself...do you really think Bono would support any War at all??
The only War he would support is the War on Poverty.Or Cancer ect...
As for being in your Face about issues that seem to never go away,well fair play to him for taking the lead.
Remember...I'm I bugging you, Don't mean to bug ya...
Live Aid changed Bono.He went to Africa and saw with his own eyes of what has been going on there.The inhumanity and suffering of humans.
He really must be a Bastard too for Standing up for Human Rights,and being against Apartied. Oh remember him at the Mandela concert.Amnesty too.
To think he is against nucular polution in the Irish Sea...Heaven Forbid.
He even had the Balls to throw an orr in at the peace talks in 1998 in belfast at the waterfront.
To be part of jubilee 2000,and the One foundation. To set up product Red. And His wife setting up a boutique and clothing line edun.
Yep,apart from making amazing Art...these people are heartless.
So lets all get out the hammer and nails.Were should we put the cross? The wicklow mountains??
Here is the Deal...Bono speaks for people like me who have no Voice.He is using his celeb status as currency.
Do I care if he owns hotels and has interest in other avenues that most likely provide jobs. No,fair play to him again.
Do any of you have any idea how much Bono and U2 have paid in Taxes.
Lets get real....more than we all will ever get to see in our lives.
Want to Bono bash...go ahead.Think he cares??
Bono,you got my vote. Go for it. Want my money...you got it. I'd put my trust in Bono any day before any government.
You hear the Bono thinks he is God jokes...but he is the closest thing to Jesus walking on the planet now.
But as like Bono...I'm just a Fan of religion.
No Line On The Horizon is a work of Art....end of. You have the right to like it or hate it.
Me, I love it. From start to finish. It works even better in Concert.
As for the claw...it works.
Ever been at a stadium with 80,000 people and have seats way at the top in the back row ?...well it sucks.
But with the claw,you see the show,it makes the show.
When you see this album live,it will blow you away.
The energy of Boots is unreal.Unknown Caller too...powerful.I just wish they would do all the songs in the show.
You want the joshua tree,Autung Baby,Unforgettable fire...well get out your cds,ipods ect and listen to them.
I want todays U2,not yesterdays.
I seen every U2 tour...ZOO TV was the best show i've ever seen in my life.
Can U2 go back in time and repeat it? No,they would just look like a cover band.You can't go back,so you go forward.
Songs like Moment of Surrender,Fez,No line.They match anything U2 has done in the past.
As for sales..I have friends who were huge U2 fans.But now they are in their 40's. They don't hang around HMV and buy cds like they did in their 20's. They got their kids and house and other stuff to worry about.
They may take in a show,if they are not too tired.
Thats why sales are down.Do i expect a kid at 19 to buy No Line?? No
But i bet he has Kings of Leon,the killers,ect.
A generation gap has reached U2,like it will with all bands.
Don't Kid yourself...No Line On The Horizon is one of U2s best work,if not the best.It's has it all.
Password you enter here.....Only Love,only love can leave such a mark.....the dispair in Moment of Surrender.
Thank you Lads for doing your job....I'll be at the shows...My voice is already horse from Dublin.
Call me what you like...Think I care?? Think Bono does??
Do you think he will just sit on his ass between the next album and hopefully next tour?
Nope...He will still be in your Face,telling you the truth.
I love it !!!!!!
NigelU2 - 15 years ago
Fan for over 30 years. Seen them on every tour since JT. NLOTH has classic moments inspired by their past, and moments of a new sound they have developed. MOS has to be the greatest riff ever for depth & texture. Crazy should have been the 1st single, great key change. U2 always play the new songs better than the so called classics. Bad never has the energy any more. Streets is too Karaoke. With or with out you has never been as good as the R&H live version. Took me 4 months to understand NLOTH but wow when you get it you get it big time. Its not a hill its a mountain!
Andy - 15 years ago
Moira, thanks for that! I have no idea why anyone would want to act under different aliases here - or why anyone would have the time. But AppleEye obviously thinks I am.
The internet's a funny thing - I'm 38 year old man from London but could pose as a 70 year old woman from Russia for all the difference it would make. Anyway, best to be honest with who you are and your opinions - then it doesn't matter what anyone thinks!
tim - 15 years ago
unit sales were down because of downloading, huh? unit sales weren't down with ATYCLB and ATOMIC BOMB. just another excuse why people aren't buying a crap album.
tim - 15 years ago
and why do you think it's one person posting all the negativity? you can't imagine that more than one person is critical of the band? fyi, i'm just one person posting here. it just irratates me how some of you people blindly follow bono and u2 and would probably wipe bono's ass if he asked you to do so. the recent tour and album is an absolute joke and i don't care if they sell out this or that stadium. they remind me of something that ONCE was great. wembley 93, popmart dublin, nyc post 9/11 and all the boston shows since 92 i've seen. it's like compairing ice cream to horse shit.
DaveB - 15 years ago
I remember exfan in the making. He was so perturbed when Get On Your Boots came out that he said he was trashing his entire u2 catalogue. I told him he was overreacting and he had a few choice words for me. Steven Guy has never been much of a u2 fan. Achtung Baby is one of my favorite albums of all time, as is Pop. Steven Guy claims u2 is a poor band...see his above post. I say u2 is a once great band who hasnt put out any great material for awhile. I am not the same person as exfan (I dont care how bad u2's recent output is, I will never get rid of the u2 albums I love) or Steven Guy. I am actually Kenny from South Park.
Bonoman - 15 years ago
Good to hear all the friendly advise !!! and most of the above people are not in the music industry, so I would stay quite and listen and listen carefully !!!! for the negative response to album I agree NLOTH is not as good album as some past albums BUT the there are reasons why units sales are not as high as one expected and there are 3 reasons (a) 2 weeks before the album went live it was on the internet!!!! they reckon 2-4 million downloads (B) bad choice of lead single (c) Overall sells are down, just look at the other artists. Look its still not the best by far BUT its not the worst either!!!!
Moira - 15 years ago
AppleEye, I don't agree that Andy is connected with the other negative postings but I do agree that these other posters are all the handy work of ex fan masquerading under different aliases here. I like the album as well, not their best but nowhere near as awful as being portrayed, just my opinion. Best to ignore these "people", hopefully they'll eventually get bored and go away. Andy, I reckon you're OK though, at least you have a good sense of humour!
Andy - 15 years ago
AppleEye, you and I are the same person too - no?
AppleEye - 15 years ago
Andy, Dave B, Stephen Guy and a few others are the same person...again.
My two cents: I enjoy the hell out of this album. :-)
Pete - 15 years ago
Interesting to see that 'Get on Your Boots' is apparently the most hated song on the album. Also glad to see that 'Fez' (my favourite) is actually doing surprisingly better than a lot of the other more conventional songs!
Danny - 15 years ago
It's been half a year now and the album has not grown on me. And listening to live versions, particularly the guitar parts, you can hear them desperately trying to take it back to the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby to salvage the album live. Just listen to the jangly guitar on the live version of "Crazy".
If they play Bad at Wembley all is forgiven though.
Andy - 15 years ago
Tim, to be fair, sales figures are no measure at all of how good a record is - Oasis sell plenty of records but they are rubbish. A lot of the best records can be commercial flops or made with complete indifference to commercial success. (ie OK Computer). I really don't like NLOTH but sales figures have nothing to do with it. I do agree JT and UF are way, way better records.
Tim - 15 years ago
Hey Ben. NO LINE is up there with JT and UF? Congratulations, you just made yourself sound like a moron lol. I guess that's why NO LINE is a total flop and didn't even sell a million copies in the US, huh? And don't give the response that it's because of downloading because you know that's bullshit.
Ben - 15 years ago
Tis a great album. Up there with JT and UF...maybe a little bit behind JT tho...Fez Being Born is my favourtie...there's something magic about that song..unorthodox and unique. I love it.
Moira - 15 years ago
Cheers Andy, glad you agree to let this debate see a natural end.
As for Jim Bobs comments all I see is an angry response back to DaveB's comments and accusations. It was silly of him but think he is entitled to defend himself, he's just gone about it the wrong way in my opinion. Still, I agree, we are all entitled to our point of view, and no I don't think Bono is perfect, but there again who is?
Andy - 15 years ago
Moira, thanks. I wasn't backing up someone who deliberately sets out to annoy - it's just my opinion - I am allowed that. I am also allowed to say I love a lot of U2's music but think bono isn't quite what people think he is. In the same way others are allowed to disagree with me. For all 'real U2 fans' defense of tolerance and understanding, they are surprisingly intolerant of others peoples opinions and beliefs. At least the ones on here are.
As a final word about Jim Bob, if you think writing 'As for classy, you really are priceless! Oh, and clueless. Think what you like, you are no consequence to me whatsoever, maybe you and your other U2 bashing mates can get together and bitch about the band and how you really feel bitter and twisted about them, or just shut your mouth and stop displaying your studipity pubicly. Now run along and go play with the traffic.' is simply defending NLOTH, then I'm not sure what to make of it.
But you're right, this has worn itself out - onwards and upwards...
Moira - 15 years ago
Andy, that's a fair comment. I've only got involved purely because I've got fed up reading all of this he said this and she said that primary school stuff!
I agree, you shouldn't have been called a prat for giving your opinion which you are entitled to, however it was seen as backing up somebody who does seem to deliberately setting out to annoy U2 fans so maybe wasn't wise to do this. As for Jim Bob, I just feel that DaveB is being judge, jury and executioner with him, he says he didn't do something and there is no proof to confirm he did and really, who cares? All I can see is that he's trying to defend NLOTH and being given a hard time for doing so! I agree though his comment made to you was poor however calling him a sociopath is far worse. Anyway, I think this argument has worn itself out, afterall shouldn't we be talking about the music and not other individuals who will never see eye to eye by the looks of things.
DaveB - 15 years ago
And Moria, there is NO question Jim Bob was the individual who waged a campaign against Steven Guy and the campaign was crude, mean, and abusive. There ARE individuals who spew venom towards u2 fans (Andy isnt one of them) but there are many U2 fans who have some screws loose and certainly arent doing the band any favors. If someone says they dont like a particular piece of work and say why, they shouldnt be blasted with name calling.
Andy - 15 years ago
Moira, I say things because I have an opinion - just because you think it's negative and doesn't correspond with your opinion, it doesn't mean it isn't what I genuinely think rather than attempt to antagonise. 'Real' U2 fans here are equally aggressive towards people who don't share their views. Take a look at my first post - a reasonable view, with some positive and negative things written about how I feel about U2. 'DAN' then comes back with 'Andy and Steve,you are both a couple of prats'. Now then, how would you respond to that? I use sarcasm, yes - it's a valid use of English and may be seen as being rude, which I don't mean it to be. In terms of Jim Bob, if I'm wrong to get involved in a dispute that doesn't involve me, surely you are doing the same thing with me?
Moira - 15 years ago
Andy, so this poster stoops to this level as he is being accussed of (with no proof other than the say so of DaveB), how does this excuse your behaviour?
BTW, I have read all of the threads here and previous debates also recently so I think I've formed and informed view of the situation going you. It is clear to me that you are aggressive towards people who don't share your point of view and indeed have used negative terminology and heavy handed sarcasm. I do think so of the comments directed back at you are not warranted however I think you have to shoulder some of the blame here in the first place by antagonising other people. Also, if Jim Bob has called other people names somewhere else supposedly then what has it got to do with you and why are you getting involved? You are only making a rod for your own back.
hopper - 15 years ago
u2 are great some songs are better than others ,but they are still putting out some good ones after all the years.
Andy - 15 years ago
Moira, I called him a 'sociopath' as he elected to call others (not me) a variety of insults including "Idiot", "Anus", "Moron" and "Bitch". (He has also been posing as a variety of different people on here). Actually he did suggest I needed 'therapy' and I was having a homosexual relationship with another poster. Other than that I haven't attacked anyone on this forum - any more than 'real' U2 fans have attacked me for daring to say negative things about them. Please read the threads properly.
reporterman2000 - well done.
reporterman2000 - 15 years ago
I can see his business card now: "Andy, Providing Unasked For, Can't-Miss, Free Career Advice to Legendary Bands for ... five minutes?" Enjoy your day!
Moira - 15 years ago
I've read some of the really sad comments posted on here and can't believe that some of these people are pretending to be U2 fans! The people who seem to defend the group are being attacked by others who don't belong here, I mean c'mon Andy, you've picked several fights already on this discussion with people you don't know calling them a variety of insulting things, the worst being a sociopath!! That is outrageous, you are only taking someone else word for this person "harrassing" somebody else, where's your proof? I think you are guilty of this trait if any is by constantly attacking anyone that doesn't agree with you such as DES, reporterman2000 and MARC. There is no reason to attack people in this way and you and DaveB really are not helping matters, why get involved in disputes here and spoil the site for genuine fans which I can't see you being from your behaviour. I think that one of you is the poster who called himself ex fan in the making, please grow up, move on or go away.
Andy - 15 years ago
reporterman2000, thanks for your patronising message. I have seen numerous U2 shows in different countries from the Joshua Tree Tour onwards. I have followed their every move and brought their albums.
I have plently of positive comments to make about them - Just not over the past 3 or 4 years - U2 have spoilt a lot of what made them great - I am far from alone in thinking this even on fan forums. Enjoy your day.
reporterman2000 - 15 years ago
Andy, I hope you never, ever trouble yourself listening to U2's music, attending one of U2's shows, purchasing one of U2's patchy albums, buying or using a Blackberry, or logging onto a U2 fan site and outlining all of U2's "mistakes," which I'm sure if they'd just listened to you they could have avoided. I hope you find a band you like, that never makes mistakes or records a "patchy" album or partners with a corporation, and spend your valuable time on their web site, making positive comments. Thank you!
Andy - 15 years ago
U2's recent mistakes have been:
1) Corporate sponsorship by Blackberry - SERIOUSLY naff.
2) Bono hanging around with the likes of Bush and Blair while they blew the arms and legs of people in Iraq.
3) Bono's constant lecturing
4) A terrible single with 'Get on your Boots'
5) A ridiculous stage set in the 'claw' - it's Spinal Tap but without the class that made Popmart so good.
6) A patchy album in NLOTH - which is worse than the last 2. At least HTDAAB had 'Somtimes' which is fantastic and ATYCLB had 'Kite, Stuck in a Moment' 'In a little while' and 'Walk On' which are great.
Shane Dalton - 15 years ago
Everyone has their own opinions at the end of the day and will stick by them, and rightly so, so i am not going to criticise them for their views here, that would be unfair and petty and probably stupid judging by rally of comments. I am a huge U2 fan since Elevation and greatly admire them for the 'want' to create new music. Being Irish myself i note there are a large amount of us who put them down but this tour and the Croke Park show last night which i was at got rave reviews by even the harshest of critics. This must mean the band are doing something someone out there (240,000 people) like. I regard the negative reviews of the new album as a possitive, because people who take the time to air their disappointment about the 'new' U2 must have at one stage admired the band in some way. U2 are definately a love - hate band and always will be because the are so successful, popular and because they are in the news every other week. I can safely say with my own personality if i did not love U2 i would hate them. But i will lastly say that it would be boring for U2 to re-create The Joshua tree Achtung baby etc. not just for them but for fans too. U2 have been dealing with harsh press since day 1 so now is no different. Still a great live band no matter what, the havent lost THAT for sure.
Tim - 15 years ago
The longer it takes for them to make the album the worse it is. Their best albums didn't take years to make. Best song on NO LINE is definately MAGNIFICENT. The other songs range between TERRIBLE and AVERAGE at best. U2 are just like the Rolling Stones. It doesn't matter how good or bad an album is, people will automatically show up to see them play. How anyone can get excited over this band in 2009 is beyond me.
David Garvin - 15 years ago
Agree the album is not great, most of all my friends agree and I never hear people rave about it, at all, but not to say some of the music is fairly good, but no where near 'great'.
I saw the show in Milan and did enjoy it, even the HTDAAB songs were greeted with louder applause because they were hits, I don't think U2 will get any hits off this album (hence 12 & 42 for Boots and Mag't in UK charts), I think they kind of know this too and will have think about the next album a little more next time. Don't forget 'No Line' was held back 6 months, two years to make this is a little joke, Muse take half the time and relese better stuff.
I think U2 should have gone with Rick Rubin as Window's in the Skies was pretty good, and not DL & Eno, too predictable and nowhere near experimental as Zooropa!! I'm seeing them in Cardiff in 4 weeks, it'll be a great show no doubt, I think the band need another reality check before the next record!
Isabella - 15 years ago
I love this! This reminds me of the furor after the release of Achtung Baby. If you need proof that U2 is still making the music that THEY want to make, all this love it/hate it discussion is it. Are they still relevant? Would we be this stirred up if they weren't? I really love this CD, and I can't wait for the live shows!
reporterman2000 - 15 years ago
Pedro, I appreciate your remarks.
Pedro Ferreira - 15 years ago
Sad to see some time of comments here...
Album:
I couldn't disagree more with those that say the album is poor. First, it's not a middle of the road album. It takes chances, it's adventurous and that by itself says a lot about the band. After 30 years, still trying to find new ground... Secondly, there are genuine best of all time tunes by U2 there. Magnificent, Unknown caller, FEZ... The only 2 reasons this album isnt a huge success is because it failed to produce the radio friendly hit: Get on your boots is no Vertigo and that MTV and so on, are not interested in having a 50 year old, that hangs with politicians rocking their programs...it's just not cool.
Tour:
I've been to 4 U2 tours and I'v just went to see them yesterday in Dublin (will be in croke park again Monday). I've been living in Ireland for a couple of years and one condition to be irish is to slagg everyone else. Irish are masters at it. Not on an badly intended manner but it's just part of their culture. The 2 biggest irish newspapers slagged u2 as "has been" and that they were on the spot for the tax thing, for their last album, etc... Friday 11 pm after the show ended there was only one unanimous voice from the press: "sorry we ever doubt you guys, this is brilliant" .(look at the web sites of the irish independent and irish times. They rated it as one of the best u2 outings ever. That's their opinion and my opinion is similar, even with only 270 tour in Dublin (due to croke park limitations) this show was U2 very close to their best. The preeching was down to a minimum, the music is up to a maximum. A lil less coreographed (just a lil), they're going at it like a band trying to get a record deal. The "I'll go crazy.. " remix is a unseen moment in a U2 concert... The reaction to Unknown caller, Moment of surrender (for some the high of night) was very good. (wow I've already mentioned 3 of the new songs as part of the top moments in the concert). To those that who keep saying U2 was the 80's and early 90's, you should absolutely see the reaction to the in your face version of Vertigo...
It's very hard for anyone to rate an U2 album, tour, from an unpartial point. During this 30 years we all have gone to love them or hate them (or both).
I'm sure I will probably overrate some of their albums, because I love the band, but I'm also sure that all the feckers that cant avoid to hear a U2 song by what it is, a song, loose a lot... I'm glad I accept them for what they are... Human...
Andy - 15 years ago
This is even funnier:
'Grow up people and act like the U2 fans that people everywhere have grown to know.'
Jesus, lighten up! Who gives a sh*t.
Marc - 15 years ago
Most in here are acting like little girls don't agree on what clothes Barbie should wear.
I happen to like NLOTH, but could care less whether, Jim, Bob, Harry, Sally or Jane like it.
I listen to it and have songs that I've soured on, but some have grown heavy as favs. I will admit, the U2 360 lacks the spark that past tours have had, but this is still my favorite band.
But, to waste time on here complaining and groaning about someones distaste for U2's latest work is downright childish. Grow up people and act like the U2 fans that people everywhere have grown to know.
Andy - 15 years ago
Jim bob, you really are a tool. Worse, you are exhibiting behaviour akin to a sociopath.
DaveB - 15 years ago
And just to note...I am not making up the fact I am a fan of u2's past. Achtung Baby is easily one of my favorite albums of all time. Pop is brilliant. TUF is classic and so is The Joshua Tree. I dont care for their last three at all (although there are about 5 songs on Leave Behind that I do really like). However, when someone doesnt like something that I do like, I do not feel the need to call them "Idiot" or "Anus" or "Moron" or "Bitch"...especially if their opinion is well stated. THAT is where you and I differ.
DaveB - 15 years ago
Jim Bob....and your level of class continues.
monica - 15 years ago
LOVE U2 and BONO and all he stands for.
Jim Bob - 15 years ago
On my god, DaveB really is Sherlock Holmes!! My, I've REALLY met my match now!!!! For someone who laughingly has claimed at one point to be a "fan" I'm somewhat puzzled as to why A) you are defending some anal rententive individual whose instigated an argument that has nothing to do with you in the first place and B) why are you here on a U2 fan forum when you've already stated that you haven't liked any of the bands work they've produced for the past 12 years? Probably never have but think it makes you feel important to spout your crap about the band.
As for classy, you really are priceless! Oh, and clueless. Think what you like, you are no consequence to me whatsoever, maybe you and your other U2 bashing mates can get together and bitch about the band and how you really feel bitter and twisted about them, or just shut your mouth and stop displaying your studipity pubicly. Now run along and go play with the traffic.
DaveB - 15 years ago
BTW: Jim Bob recently went and deleted most of the thread and comments where he waged his anti Steven Guy campaign. Classy guy that Jim Bob.
DaveB - 15 years ago
Jim Bob:
Anyone can go read the campaign against Steven Guy conducted on Amazon and then read your comments on here. There is no mistake...you can change your name all you want. We know who you are. Its a good thing the abundance of u2 fans have more sense and class than you.
Andy - 15 years ago
You guys are hilarious - in the absence of anything else making me laugh in the world, I can always rely on U2 fans. DES, thanks for calling me a prat - from someone as inarticulate as you, it's a genuine compliment. Jim Bob - yes, I am his boyfriend. We've been going steady for weeks now - we're actually in bed together as I type this, wearing latex bono masks and enjoying some of the timeless classics on NLOTH has to offer...
Jim Bob - 15 years ago
Dave B - I think you are confused, I have not done anything of the sorts! Steven Guy attacked my 5 star review on Amazon so I deleted it, period.
Frankly, I think his "review" is provocative and insulting to U2 fans and yes, I would like him to shut up. He has no place here either, and to be honest nor do you. I reckon you are him (again) trying to stir things up further as you obviously don't have anything else better in your life to do. It is you who should grow up you bell end.
DaveB - 15 years ago
Jim Bob...or whatever your name is...youve changed it dozens of times...Steven Guy posted a negative review that really wasnt all that nasty. What is REALLY nasty is the abundance of nasty comments you have directed towards him that or downright vile. You stated one time that you wished "they were both dead" (you were referring to Steven Guy and another who disliked u2's recent music). Your comments have been in extreme poor taste and your campaign to get everyone to harass Steven Guy because of his negative review was childlike. Its time to grow up and accept the fact that many u2 fans do not like their recent output. I think u2 1984-1997 put out the best consecutive releases of just about any band in history. But their output in the last 10 years has been extremely subpar, in my opinion. Just because I do not like No Line or HTDAAB, doesnt make me a u2 hater.
Jim Bob - 15 years ago
I wondered when that anus Steven Guy was going to wade in! Listen folks, this idiot isn't a U2 fan as displayed by his nasty "review" of NLOTH on Amazon! He's just a vile little cyber stalker from Australia who obviously needs therapy.
Andy? You his boyfriend or something?
reporterman2000 - 15 years ago
"I love U2, big fan, own all the albums, we go way back, but GOD they suck, what a bunch of sellouts, haven't recorded a hit song in ages, Bono is such a bleeding hypocrite ..." Yep, heard that line before. When I read "I'm a big U2 fan BUT" I usually tune out.
DES - 15 years ago
Andy and Steve,you are both a couple of prats who have no idea what amount of works goes into EVERY U2 album.Go away ,real bands like U2 dont need plastic fans like you guys.
I feel its one of their best albums,but i could never choose A BEST !!
Andy - 15 years ago
Steve, you are wrong about U2 being dull - but to call NLOTH 'A rotten album' is pretty much spot on. In my opinion it's their worst album. HTDDAB follows close behind but that has 'Sometimes you can't make it' so I can forgive that album pretty much anyhting. NLOTH is overblown, shallow and a victim of the 'marketing over substance' approach U2 take to their music these days. The tour is pretty much the same. ZOO TV and POP were flawed but brilliant. 360 is just another excuse to put on the 'biggest show ever' and make incredible amounts of money - it just looks a bit silly. Where is the band I once fell in love with!?
Snrrk - 15 years ago
StevenGuy, you really picked the absolute best spot to critique U2, don't you think?
Aburrow - 15 years ago
Great album. Up there with The Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree. I think it will grow on more people as time goes on, same as Zooropa and Pop have done. People complained about those two albums when they first came out, too but today they're regarded as classics, rightly so. Same will happen with NLOTH, I predict. It has depths I'm still discovering, almost five months after its release.
Love U2, but this album is realy poor, you find yourself repeating " i heard this beat before and realize it was on a previous album". I hate admitting .
Weaver - 15 years ago
Steven Guy! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! Your post is the funniest thing I've read all day! Thanks for the laughs. "Very poor band." Ha! Ha ha! Ha! Go back to your Michael Bolton albums.
Steven Guy - 15 years ago
Save your money people as all of these "songs" are truly without any merit whatsoever, dull, charmless and listless. A rotten album by a very poor band.
Andy, I will apologise to you though as I was wrong to insult you and in hindsight wasn't right of me do so. As for DaveB, I have nothing but contempt for you for falsely accusing me of something I haven't done and insulting me by inferring I am unbalanced. I would also point out that some of your ranting is hardly the act of a sound mind. You need to get a reality check yourself chummy.
Gee, I wish we could all perfect like DaveB or Ex fan in the making or whatever it is he likes to call himself, what a model fan. Now that is a REAL class act.
Bonoman, you're still not making too much sense - why are you calling other people here idiots when you can barely construct a sentance?
Andy whooo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I agree with YA DAVEB totally, cant remember the other person comments BUT yes the new album is more up beat and how I know well cant tell sorry, all I say is to the few idiots here ;-) I know my stuff and stats too and not been smart. But I am aware the new album has 3 or more upbeat tunes!.
OK just kidding with Andy just winding you up!!! look I am not the biggest fan of the new album BUT you should go to the concert, it is very very good. We should all respect each others opinion. ;-)
In some of the video snippets of the band in the recording studio for No Line, there were some really gritty high energy guitar riffs that didnt make it on No Line. I cant understand why. They sounded like some of Edge's best work. I hope that not ALL of Ascent is slow and meditative and we get a chance to hear some of those really good but unused riffs. I heard that "Every Breaking Wave" was an uptempo number. Hopefully, if it is a good song, we will get that one on Ascent.
And one other thing about Songs of Ascent (DaveB and DavidB are same guy BTW): A lot of great bands will introduce new songs in concert before they appear on an album. It gives the band a chance to tinker with it and get the fans reaction to it. It gives them a chance to improve it if it needs it. I really think that since u2 has already written several songs (Bono claims 9 songs are ready), they should introduce a few of them while on tour (maybe one per night here and there). Working with the songs live would improve the chances that the nest album will actually be a great album...and it really needs to be a great album.
Actually Bonoman, the one bit that did make sense:
'with big tunes like beautiful day' - didn't U2 say it would be a low key meditative album?
And Bonoman: Dont believe Bono's initial words on Songs of Acent on how soon it would be out. They have been backtracking on that. I would be shocked if we see it before 2011.
Bonoman, your message doesn't make any sense.
Will someone tell *** to grow up !!! people please dont react to any silly messages and that lower yourself and have respect for each others opinion. Some people are taking things to far NB *** and other (they are Joke)
First point, been to all the shows since 91. Just been to see them in Dublin Sorry *** and whoever has negative views BUT very very sorry to hear that it was there best concert and thats not my opinion !!!!! Just go to a concert and have a good laugh !!! dont get me wrong not a big fan of the album but the concert was great. Remember U2 have a new album on the way with big tunes like beautiful day etc be out at the end of the year or early next year.
Larry: You said "Dont kid yourself, No Line is one of U2's best works, if not the best." I followed the press for two years leading up to the release. I read every snippet I could get my hands on. I believed we were getting another masterpiece...finally. I honestly believed we were going to get another album that wove into our soul the way Achtung or TUF did. When it came out I bought two copies..the day of release. ANd this was after I had listened to the stream on MySpace for about a week. For weeks I told myself it was right up their with their best....and I listened over and over. But then I realized I put it up there with their best because I WANTED it up there. I realized I was kidding myself.
Am I a U2 fan...Yes. Would I wipe Bono's Ass..In a second. As for Bono hanging around Blair and Bush,well he would of hung around the devil if it ment geting more aid to Africa. Bono is on record for being opposed to the War.
No honest,ask yourself...do you really think Bono would support any War at all??
The only War he would support is the War on Poverty.Or Cancer ect...
As for being in your Face about issues that seem to never go away,well fair play to him for taking the lead.
Remember...I'm I bugging you, Don't mean to bug ya...
Live Aid changed Bono.He went to Africa and saw with his own eyes of what has been going on there.The inhumanity and suffering of humans.
He really must be a Bastard too for Standing up for Human Rights,and being against Apartied. Oh remember him at the Mandela concert.Amnesty too.
To think he is against nucular polution in the Irish Sea...Heaven Forbid.
He even had the Balls to throw an orr in at the peace talks in 1998 in belfast at the waterfront.
To be part of jubilee 2000,and the One foundation. To set up product Red. And His wife setting up a boutique and clothing line edun.
Yep,apart from making amazing Art...these people are heartless.
So lets all get out the hammer and nails.Were should we put the cross? The wicklow mountains??
Here is the Deal...Bono speaks for people like me who have no Voice.He is using his celeb status as currency.
Do I care if he owns hotels and has interest in other avenues that most likely provide jobs. No,fair play to him again.
Do any of you have any idea how much Bono and U2 have paid in Taxes.
Lets get real....more than we all will ever get to see in our lives.
Want to Bono bash...go ahead.Think he cares??
Bono,you got my vote. Go for it. Want my money...you got it. I'd put my trust in Bono any day before any government.
You hear the Bono thinks he is God jokes...but he is the closest thing to Jesus walking on the planet now.
But as like Bono...I'm just a Fan of religion.
No Line On The Horizon is a work of Art....end of. You have the right to like it or hate it.
Me, I love it. From start to finish. It works even better in Concert.
As for the claw...it works.
Ever been at a stadium with 80,000 people and have seats way at the top in the back row ?...well it sucks.
But with the claw,you see the show,it makes the show.
When you see this album live,it will blow you away.
The energy of Boots is unreal.Unknown Caller too...powerful.I just wish they would do all the songs in the show.
You want the joshua tree,Autung Baby,Unforgettable fire...well get out your cds,ipods ect and listen to them.
I want todays U2,not yesterdays.
I seen every U2 tour...ZOO TV was the best show i've ever seen in my life.
Can U2 go back in time and repeat it? No,they would just look like a cover band.You can't go back,so you go forward.
Songs like Moment of Surrender,Fez,No line.They match anything U2 has done in the past.
As for sales..I have friends who were huge U2 fans.But now they are in their 40's. They don't hang around HMV and buy cds like they did in their 20's. They got their kids and house and other stuff to worry about.
They may take in a show,if they are not too tired.
Thats why sales are down.Do i expect a kid at 19 to buy No Line?? No
But i bet he has Kings of Leon,the killers,ect.
A generation gap has reached U2,like it will with all bands.
Don't Kid yourself...No Line On The Horizon is one of U2s best work,if not the best.It's has it all.
Password you enter here.....Only Love,only love can leave such a mark.....the dispair in Moment of Surrender.
Thank you Lads for doing your job....I'll be at the shows...My voice is already horse from Dublin.
Call me what you like...Think I care?? Think Bono does??
Do you think he will just sit on his ass between the next album and hopefully next tour?
Nope...He will still be in your Face,telling you the truth.
I love it !!!!!!
Fan for over 30 years. Seen them on every tour since JT. NLOTH has classic moments inspired by their past, and moments of a new sound they have developed. MOS has to be the greatest riff ever for depth & texture. Crazy should have been the 1st single, great key change. U2 always play the new songs better than the so called classics. Bad never has the energy any more. Streets is too Karaoke. With or with out you has never been as good as the R&H live version. Took me 4 months to understand NLOTH but wow when you get it you get it big time. Its not a hill its a mountain!
Moira, thanks for that! I have no idea why anyone would want to act under different aliases here - or why anyone would have the time. But AppleEye obviously thinks I am.
The internet's a funny thing - I'm 38 year old man from London but could pose as a 70 year old woman from Russia for all the difference it would make. Anyway, best to be honest with who you are and your opinions - then it doesn't matter what anyone thinks!
unit sales were down because of downloading, huh? unit sales weren't down with ATYCLB and ATOMIC BOMB. just another excuse why people aren't buying a crap album.
and why do you think it's one person posting all the negativity? you can't imagine that more than one person is critical of the band? fyi, i'm just one person posting here. it just irratates me how some of you people blindly follow bono and u2 and would probably wipe bono's ass if he asked you to do so. the recent tour and album is an absolute joke and i don't care if they sell out this or that stadium. they remind me of something that ONCE was great. wembley 93, popmart dublin, nyc post 9/11 and all the boston shows since 92 i've seen. it's like compairing ice cream to horse shit.
I remember exfan in the making. He was so perturbed when Get On Your Boots came out that he said he was trashing his entire u2 catalogue. I told him he was overreacting and he had a few choice words for me. Steven Guy has never been much of a u2 fan. Achtung Baby is one of my favorite albums of all time, as is Pop. Steven Guy claims u2 is a poor band...see his above post. I say u2 is a once great band who hasnt put out any great material for awhile. I am not the same person as exfan (I dont care how bad u2's recent output is, I will never get rid of the u2 albums I love) or Steven Guy. I am actually Kenny from South Park.
Good to hear all the friendly advise !!! and most of the above people are not in the music industry, so I would stay quite and listen and listen carefully !!!! for the negative response to album I agree NLOTH is not as good album as some past albums BUT the there are reasons why units sales are not as high as one expected and there are 3 reasons (a) 2 weeks before the album went live it was on the internet!!!! they reckon 2-4 million downloads (B) bad choice of lead single (c) Overall sells are down, just look at the other artists. Look its still not the best by far BUT its not the worst either!!!!
AppleEye, I don't agree that Andy is connected with the other negative postings but I do agree that these other posters are all the handy work of ex fan masquerading under different aliases here. I like the album as well, not their best but nowhere near as awful as being portrayed, just my opinion. Best to ignore these "people", hopefully they'll eventually get bored and go away. Andy, I reckon you're OK though, at least you have a good sense of humour!
AppleEye, you and I are the same person too - no?
Andy, Dave B, Stephen Guy and a few others are the same person...again.
My two cents: I enjoy the hell out of this album. :-)
Interesting to see that 'Get on Your Boots' is apparently the most hated song on the album. Also glad to see that 'Fez' (my favourite) is actually doing surprisingly better than a lot of the other more conventional songs!
It's been half a year now and the album has not grown on me. And listening to live versions, particularly the guitar parts, you can hear them desperately trying to take it back to the Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby to salvage the album live. Just listen to the jangly guitar on the live version of "Crazy".
If they play Bad at Wembley all is forgiven though.
Tim, to be fair, sales figures are no measure at all of how good a record is - Oasis sell plenty of records but they are rubbish. A lot of the best records can be commercial flops or made with complete indifference to commercial success. (ie OK Computer). I really don't like NLOTH but sales figures have nothing to do with it. I do agree JT and UF are way, way better records.
Hey Ben. NO LINE is up there with JT and UF? Congratulations, you just made yourself sound like a moron lol. I guess that's why NO LINE is a total flop and didn't even sell a million copies in the US, huh? And don't give the response that it's because of downloading because you know that's bullshit.
Tis a great album. Up there with JT and UF...maybe a little bit behind JT tho...Fez Being Born is my favourtie...there's something magic about that song..unorthodox and unique. I love it.
Cheers Andy, glad you agree to let this debate see a natural end.
As for Jim Bobs comments all I see is an angry response back to DaveB's comments and accusations. It was silly of him but think he is entitled to defend himself, he's just gone about it the wrong way in my opinion. Still, I agree, we are all entitled to our point of view, and no I don't think Bono is perfect, but there again who is?
Moira, thanks. I wasn't backing up someone who deliberately sets out to annoy - it's just my opinion - I am allowed that. I am also allowed to say I love a lot of U2's music but think bono isn't quite what people think he is. In the same way others are allowed to disagree with me. For all 'real U2 fans' defense of tolerance and understanding, they are surprisingly intolerant of others peoples opinions and beliefs. At least the ones on here are.
As a final word about Jim Bob, if you think writing 'As for classy, you really are priceless! Oh, and clueless. Think what you like, you are no consequence to me whatsoever, maybe you and your other U2 bashing mates can get together and bitch about the band and how you really feel bitter and twisted about them, or just shut your mouth and stop displaying your studipity pubicly. Now run along and go play with the traffic.' is simply defending NLOTH, then I'm not sure what to make of it.
But you're right, this has worn itself out - onwards and upwards...
Andy, that's a fair comment. I've only got involved purely because I've got fed up reading all of this he said this and she said that primary school stuff!
I agree, you shouldn't have been called a prat for giving your opinion which you are entitled to, however it was seen as backing up somebody who does seem to deliberately setting out to annoy U2 fans so maybe wasn't wise to do this. As for Jim Bob, I just feel that DaveB is being judge, jury and executioner with him, he says he didn't do something and there is no proof to confirm he did and really, who cares? All I can see is that he's trying to defend NLOTH and being given a hard time for doing so! I agree though his comment made to you was poor however calling him a sociopath is far worse. Anyway, I think this argument has worn itself out, afterall shouldn't we be talking about the music and not other individuals who will never see eye to eye by the looks of things.
And Moria, there is NO question Jim Bob was the individual who waged a campaign against Steven Guy and the campaign was crude, mean, and abusive. There ARE individuals who spew venom towards u2 fans (Andy isnt one of them) but there are many U2 fans who have some screws loose and certainly arent doing the band any favors. If someone says they dont like a particular piece of work and say why, they shouldnt be blasted with name calling.
Moira, I say things because I have an opinion - just because you think it's negative and doesn't correspond with your opinion, it doesn't mean it isn't what I genuinely think rather than attempt to antagonise. 'Real' U2 fans here are equally aggressive towards people who don't share their views. Take a look at my first post - a reasonable view, with some positive and negative things written about how I feel about U2. 'DAN' then comes back with 'Andy and Steve,you are both a couple of prats'. Now then, how would you respond to that? I use sarcasm, yes - it's a valid use of English and may be seen as being rude, which I don't mean it to be. In terms of Jim Bob, if I'm wrong to get involved in a dispute that doesn't involve me, surely you are doing the same thing with me?
Andy, so this poster stoops to this level as he is being accussed of (with no proof other than the say so of DaveB), how does this excuse your behaviour?
BTW, I have read all of the threads here and previous debates also recently so I think I've formed and informed view of the situation going you. It is clear to me that you are aggressive towards people who don't share your point of view and indeed have used negative terminology and heavy handed sarcasm. I do think so of the comments directed back at you are not warranted however I think you have to shoulder some of the blame here in the first place by antagonising other people. Also, if Jim Bob has called other people names somewhere else supposedly then what has it got to do with you and why are you getting involved? You are only making a rod for your own back.
u2 are great some songs are better than others ,but they are still putting out some good ones after all the years.
Moira, I called him a 'sociopath' as he elected to call others (not me) a variety of insults including "Idiot", "Anus", "Moron" and "Bitch". (He has also been posing as a variety of different people on here). Actually he did suggest I needed 'therapy' and I was having a homosexual relationship with another poster. Other than that I haven't attacked anyone on this forum - any more than 'real' U2 fans have attacked me for daring to say negative things about them. Please read the threads properly.
reporterman2000 - well done.
I can see his business card now: "Andy, Providing Unasked For, Can't-Miss, Free Career Advice to Legendary Bands for ... five minutes?" Enjoy your day!
I've read some of the really sad comments posted on here and can't believe that some of these people are pretending to be U2 fans! The people who seem to defend the group are being attacked by others who don't belong here, I mean c'mon Andy, you've picked several fights already on this discussion with people you don't know calling them a variety of insulting things, the worst being a sociopath!! That is outrageous, you are only taking someone else word for this person "harrassing" somebody else, where's your proof? I think you are guilty of this trait if any is by constantly attacking anyone that doesn't agree with you such as DES, reporterman2000 and MARC. There is no reason to attack people in this way and you and DaveB really are not helping matters, why get involved in disputes here and spoil the site for genuine fans which I can't see you being from your behaviour. I think that one of you is the poster who called himself ex fan in the making, please grow up, move on or go away.
reporterman2000, thanks for your patronising message. I have seen numerous U2 shows in different countries from the Joshua Tree Tour onwards. I have followed their every move and brought their albums.
I have plently of positive comments to make about them - Just not over the past 3 or 4 years - U2 have spoilt a lot of what made them great - I am far from alone in thinking this even on fan forums. Enjoy your day.
Andy, I hope you never, ever trouble yourself listening to U2's music, attending one of U2's shows, purchasing one of U2's patchy albums, buying or using a Blackberry, or logging onto a U2 fan site and outlining all of U2's "mistakes," which I'm sure if they'd just listened to you they could have avoided. I hope you find a band you like, that never makes mistakes or records a "patchy" album or partners with a corporation, and spend your valuable time on their web site, making positive comments. Thank you!
U2's recent mistakes have been:
1) Corporate sponsorship by Blackberry - SERIOUSLY naff.
2) Bono hanging around with the likes of Bush and Blair while they blew the arms and legs of people in Iraq.
3) Bono's constant lecturing
4) A terrible single with 'Get on your Boots'
5) A ridiculous stage set in the 'claw' - it's Spinal Tap but without the class that made Popmart so good.
6) A patchy album in NLOTH - which is worse than the last 2. At least HTDAAB had 'Somtimes' which is fantastic and ATYCLB had 'Kite, Stuck in a Moment' 'In a little while' and 'Walk On' which are great.
Everyone has their own opinions at the end of the day and will stick by them, and rightly so, so i am not going to criticise them for their views here, that would be unfair and petty and probably stupid judging by rally of comments. I am a huge U2 fan since Elevation and greatly admire them for the 'want' to create new music. Being Irish myself i note there are a large amount of us who put them down but this tour and the Croke Park show last night which i was at got rave reviews by even the harshest of critics. This must mean the band are doing something someone out there (240,000 people) like. I regard the negative reviews of the new album as a possitive, because people who take the time to air their disappointment about the 'new' U2 must have at one stage admired the band in some way. U2 are definately a love - hate band and always will be because the are so successful, popular and because they are in the news every other week. I can safely say with my own personality if i did not love U2 i would hate them. But i will lastly say that it would be boring for U2 to re-create The Joshua tree Achtung baby etc. not just for them but for fans too. U2 have been dealing with harsh press since day 1 so now is no different. Still a great live band no matter what, the havent lost THAT for sure.
The longer it takes for them to make the album the worse it is. Their best albums didn't take years to make. Best song on NO LINE is definately MAGNIFICENT. The other songs range between TERRIBLE and AVERAGE at best. U2 are just like the Rolling Stones. It doesn't matter how good or bad an album is, people will automatically show up to see them play. How anyone can get excited over this band in 2009 is beyond me.
Agree the album is not great, most of all my friends agree and I never hear people rave about it, at all, but not to say some of the music is fairly good, but no where near 'great'.
I saw the show in Milan and did enjoy it, even the HTDAAB songs were greeted with louder applause because they were hits, I don't think U2 will get any hits off this album (hence 12 & 42 for Boots and Mag't in UK charts), I think they kind of know this too and will have think about the next album a little more next time. Don't forget 'No Line' was held back 6 months, two years to make this is a little joke, Muse take half the time and relese better stuff.
I think U2 should have gone with Rick Rubin as Window's in the Skies was pretty good, and not DL & Eno, too predictable and nowhere near experimental as Zooropa!! I'm seeing them in Cardiff in 4 weeks, it'll be a great show no doubt, I think the band need another reality check before the next record!
I love this! This reminds me of the furor after the release of Achtung Baby. If you need proof that U2 is still making the music that THEY want to make, all this love it/hate it discussion is it. Are they still relevant? Would we be this stirred up if they weren't? I really love this CD, and I can't wait for the live shows!
Pedro, I appreciate your remarks.
Sad to see some time of comments here...
Album:
I couldn't disagree more with those that say the album is poor. First, it's not a middle of the road album. It takes chances, it's adventurous and that by itself says a lot about the band. After 30 years, still trying to find new ground... Secondly, there are genuine best of all time tunes by U2 there. Magnificent, Unknown caller, FEZ... The only 2 reasons this album isnt a huge success is because it failed to produce the radio friendly hit: Get on your boots is no Vertigo and that MTV and so on, are not interested in having a 50 year old, that hangs with politicians rocking their programs...it's just not cool.
Tour:
I've been to 4 U2 tours and I'v just went to see them yesterday in Dublin (will be in croke park again Monday). I've been living in Ireland for a couple of years and one condition to be irish is to slagg everyone else. Irish are masters at it. Not on an badly intended manner but it's just part of their culture. The 2 biggest irish newspapers slagged u2 as "has been" and that they were on the spot for the tax thing, for their last album, etc... Friday 11 pm after the show ended there was only one unanimous voice from the press: "sorry we ever doubt you guys, this is brilliant" .(look at the web sites of the irish independent and irish times. They rated it as one of the best u2 outings ever. That's their opinion and my opinion is similar, even with only 270 tour in Dublin (due to croke park limitations) this show was U2 very close to their best. The preeching was down to a minimum, the music is up to a maximum. A lil less coreographed (just a lil), they're going at it like a band trying to get a record deal. The "I'll go crazy.. " remix is a unseen moment in a U2 concert... The reaction to Unknown caller, Moment of surrender (for some the high of night) was very good. (wow I've already mentioned 3 of the new songs as part of the top moments in the concert). To those that who keep saying U2 was the 80's and early 90's, you should absolutely see the reaction to the in your face version of Vertigo...
It's very hard for anyone to rate an U2 album, tour, from an unpartial point. During this 30 years we all have gone to love them or hate them (or both).
I'm sure I will probably overrate some of their albums, because I love the band, but I'm also sure that all the feckers that cant avoid to hear a U2 song by what it is, a song, loose a lot... I'm glad I accept them for what they are... Human...
This is even funnier:
'Grow up people and act like the U2 fans that people everywhere have grown to know.'
Jesus, lighten up! Who gives a sh*t.
Most in here are acting like little girls don't agree on what clothes Barbie should wear.
I happen to like NLOTH, but could care less whether, Jim, Bob, Harry, Sally or Jane like it.
I listen to it and have songs that I've soured on, but some have grown heavy as favs. I will admit, the U2 360 lacks the spark that past tours have had, but this is still my favorite band.
But, to waste time on here complaining and groaning about someones distaste for U2's latest work is downright childish. Grow up people and act like the U2 fans that people everywhere have grown to know.
Jim bob, you really are a tool. Worse, you are exhibiting behaviour akin to a sociopath.
And just to note...I am not making up the fact I am a fan of u2's past. Achtung Baby is easily one of my favorite albums of all time. Pop is brilliant. TUF is classic and so is The Joshua Tree. I dont care for their last three at all (although there are about 5 songs on Leave Behind that I do really like). However, when someone doesnt like something that I do like, I do not feel the need to call them "Idiot" or "Anus" or "Moron" or "Bitch"...especially if their opinion is well stated. THAT is where you and I differ.
Jim Bob....and your level of class continues.
LOVE U2 and BONO and all he stands for.
On my god, DaveB really is Sherlock Holmes!! My, I've REALLY met my match now!!!! For someone who laughingly has claimed at one point to be a "fan" I'm somewhat puzzled as to why A) you are defending some anal rententive individual whose instigated an argument that has nothing to do with you in the first place and B) why are you here on a U2 fan forum when you've already stated that you haven't liked any of the bands work they've produced for the past 12 years? Probably never have but think it makes you feel important to spout your crap about the band.
As for classy, you really are priceless! Oh, and clueless. Think what you like, you are no consequence to me whatsoever, maybe you and your other U2 bashing mates can get together and bitch about the band and how you really feel bitter and twisted about them, or just shut your mouth and stop displaying your studipity pubicly. Now run along and go play with the traffic.
BTW: Jim Bob recently went and deleted most of the thread and comments where he waged his anti Steven Guy campaign. Classy guy that Jim Bob.
Jim Bob:
Anyone can go read the campaign against Steven Guy conducted on Amazon and then read your comments on here. There is no mistake...you can change your name all you want. We know who you are. Its a good thing the abundance of u2 fans have more sense and class than you.
You guys are hilarious - in the absence of anything else making me laugh in the world, I can always rely on U2 fans. DES, thanks for calling me a prat - from someone as inarticulate as you, it's a genuine compliment. Jim Bob - yes, I am his boyfriend. We've been going steady for weeks now - we're actually in bed together as I type this, wearing latex bono masks and enjoying some of the timeless classics on NLOTH has to offer...
Dave B - I think you are confused, I have not done anything of the sorts! Steven Guy attacked my 5 star review on Amazon so I deleted it, period.
Frankly, I think his "review" is provocative and insulting to U2 fans and yes, I would like him to shut up. He has no place here either, and to be honest nor do you. I reckon you are him (again) trying to stir things up further as you obviously don't have anything else better in your life to do. It is you who should grow up you bell end.
Jim Bob...or whatever your name is...youve changed it dozens of times...Steven Guy posted a negative review that really wasnt all that nasty. What is REALLY nasty is the abundance of nasty comments you have directed towards him that or downright vile. You stated one time that you wished "they were both dead" (you were referring to Steven Guy and another who disliked u2's recent music). Your comments have been in extreme poor taste and your campaign to get everyone to harass Steven Guy because of his negative review was childlike. Its time to grow up and accept the fact that many u2 fans do not like their recent output. I think u2 1984-1997 put out the best consecutive releases of just about any band in history. But their output in the last 10 years has been extremely subpar, in my opinion. Just because I do not like No Line or HTDAAB, doesnt make me a u2 hater.
I wondered when that anus Steven Guy was going to wade in! Listen folks, this idiot isn't a U2 fan as displayed by his nasty "review" of NLOTH on Amazon! He's just a vile little cyber stalker from Australia who obviously needs therapy.
Andy? You his boyfriend or something?
"I love U2, big fan, own all the albums, we go way back, but GOD they suck, what a bunch of sellouts, haven't recorded a hit song in ages, Bono is such a bleeding hypocrite ..." Yep, heard that line before. When I read "I'm a big U2 fan BUT" I usually tune out.
Andy and Steve,you are both a couple of prats who have no idea what amount of works goes into EVERY U2 album.Go away ,real bands like U2 dont need plastic fans like you guys.
I feel its one of their best albums,but i could never choose A BEST !!
Steve, you are wrong about U2 being dull - but to call NLOTH 'A rotten album' is pretty much spot on. In my opinion it's their worst album. HTDDAB follows close behind but that has 'Sometimes you can't make it' so I can forgive that album pretty much anyhting. NLOTH is overblown, shallow and a victim of the 'marketing over substance' approach U2 take to their music these days. The tour is pretty much the same. ZOO TV and POP were flawed but brilliant. 360 is just another excuse to put on the 'biggest show ever' and make incredible amounts of money - it just looks a bit silly. Where is the band I once fell in love with!?
StevenGuy, you really picked the absolute best spot to critique U2, don't you think?
Great album. Up there with The Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree. I think it will grow on more people as time goes on, same as Zooropa and Pop have done. People complained about those two albums when they first came out, too but today they're regarded as classics, rightly so. Same will happen with NLOTH, I predict. It has depths I'm still discovering, almost five months after its release.
Love U2, but this album is realy poor, you find yourself repeating " i heard this beat before and realize it was on a previous album". I hate admitting .
Steven Guy! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! Your post is the funniest thing I've read all day! Thanks for the laughs. "Very poor band." Ha! Ha ha! Ha! Go back to your Michael Bolton albums.
Save your money people as all of these "songs" are truly without any merit whatsoever, dull, charmless and listless. A rotten album by a very poor band.