I only want to leave with people who share the same ideas as me. Debate and compromise are too hard anymore.
Native Southern Californian - 13 years ago
I wish Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone could've brought the California secession proposal up earlier, like in January. Then, I would've bought my house in Orange County instead of Los Angeles County!
John and Ken of KFI Talkradio had a phone interview with Supervisor Jeff Stone today (July 14, 2011). The new structure he was proposing for the new California was an excellent idea--especially the ones for creating a PART-TIME legislature and a right-to-work state (i.e. NO UNIONS!)
I hope he can pull this off! I am basically sick and tired of these Liberals that are destroying California!
NorCal Native / SoCal Resident - 13 years ago
I was born in Walnut Creek and I've lived in San Diego for the last 25 years. The City that I live in gets water from the Colorado River and a big, awesome R.O. plant. For all I care you can shut down the aqueduct today, it has no power over me. Ever since the Pelosi-Feinstein-Boxer idiots decided that the Delta Smelt was more important than people, we saw the writing on the wall. Yes, water is a precious resource but without innovation and competition, it is a commodity like oil that will be controlled by barons like OPEC.
The important issue whether we will encourage prosperity and innovation resulting in more jobs or if we punish the successful by redistributing their wealth to everyone who wants to leech the system. The only way to achieve the former is to not owe anything to anyone. Instead of having social programs that maintain a voting constituency, make the social programs gateways to individual independence. Instead of having full-time politicians that are owned by unions and large corporations, have a part-time legislature that has to spend most of the year looking at their constituents in the eyes.
Bill Lembright - 13 years ago
Yes, Lump the coastal counties north of San Diego together with Sacramento. The remainder would be a great state!
Matt - 13 years ago
After overbuilding, sucking the north dry of it's water, sending your gangs into our cities, yes, I think it's a good idea for Southern California to make itself it's own state.
SoCaGirl - 13 years ago
Keep up people (those who are saying it ain't happenin' cuz of the h20) We're seriously planning desalination plants, in SoCa, of the great big blue ocean. I had a phone call from my city government polling me on what I thought of it. I said to go for it. I'll bathe and water in desalinated water if it meant getting rid of NoCa! In a heartbeat. There are many, many, many SoCal's who agree with this! We're praying for this to happen!
Jon - 13 years ago
Stupid conservatives whining about the goverment and liberals. Nothing new
Linda Gommel - 13 years ago
I agree that California is too big to manage, and the way things are, we in Southern California are hostages to the Pelosi-Feinstein-Boxer idiots (too kind a term) of the North. We MUST split the state, and I agree with the comment above that would separate out the coastal cities from the Bay Area to LA and call it Left California, and make the rest Right California. However, I would settle for a north/south split, also.
As a result of the secession there would be a north south war. Over what? WATER.
I'd like to know where these geniuses plan to get their water from? And the cost? Get ready to get screwed as the "big oil" companies will have now taught the "big water" companies how it's done.
Sanchez - 13 years ago
LOL. We have already solved the problem for California. It is only a matter of time (and we are patient) until we take back what was stolen from us 150 years ago. California is just an extension now of Mexico. People driving around, taking their kids to soccer games, dance class and such but they have no idea what is happening. We are taking California back. The petitions are coming alright but they will be petitions to join our compadres in a Greater Mexico.
Viva Aztlan!!!!
Keep sleeping California. :-)
Riverside Resident - 13 years ago
I live in the Riverside City area and I don't think any other area of California has taken a bigger economic hit that we have. The Sheriff is right. Sacramento wants us to pay, pay, pay, and then hordes all the revenue for them! How is that fair?
And by the way, you NoCal Libs who think we can't get water down here. When we start drilling for oil like crazy, which will make our economy soar, then we can do a little bartering
with you. You'll get tired of riding your bicycles and getting only 2o miles in your electric cars! We will even throw in those dumb, useless windmills parked out near Palm Springs.
Sr Newk - 13 years ago
One more thing I forgot to mention, become a Republic similar to Texas and do not give it up. Our nation is a Republic government not a Democratic government as some in Washington DC would like to have you believe.
Sr Newk from Texas - 13 years ago
Finally someone has finally got the gumption to do something about it. Go for it, one thing for sure you surely can't be worse off. Say and do what you mean, so now many of you who have spoken to secede from the crap hole of California and want to form your own state, it is time to act. Some of you know your best constitutional lawyers draft the legal letter to secede and start forming representatives from each county to begin with a new state constitution. To give you starters just look at the constitution of Texas and utilize sections that all feel should be in the draft. Put it on the net for all citizens in affected counties to look at form a convention and get things rolling. I hope that all of you truly succeed in the new endeavor and my wife and I will come visit years later the new State of Southern California.
Orange County Bill - 13 years ago
Matt and Dan have it right. Joe, keep your water, Keep your illegals and your unions, we will keep our taxes and build desalination plants and we will lower taxes and prosper like Texas.
I am all for it.
Dan in SoCAl - 13 years ago
There are many of us in Southern California that want to break off from the liberal idiots in L A and north. We want to become a new state and rejoin the rest of the USA. I think it is a great idea and I would vote for it.
Joe - 13 years ago
I'm in favor of this! Being a Northern Californian, I'm sick of the SoCal people stealing our water!
Matt - 13 years ago
Make it easier for the entire state - take all the coastal counties from SanFrancisco down to L.A. county. Call it Left California. Call all the rest Right California. This would accurately reflect the political leanings of all counties! Lets see how long the libral breeding grounds can survive without the rest of us supporting them!
Glenn - 13 years ago
How do people in So. California think they are going to replace the water that they now get from the Feather River/California Delta.....California Aqueduct if California splits in half?
LL14 - 13 years ago
PS: please take LA with you.
LL14 - 13 years ago
Please do it. Speaking on behalf of the people in NoCal, we'll gladly help you leave.
Montgomery - 13 years ago
Self-government...what a concept! Goodluck with keeping local government local:)
Richard M Peck - 13 years ago
That is the best thing I have heard yet. Lets get it going. Maybe we can have a conservative state after all and let the cooks have the north.
John - 13 years ago
Si, Si...
We will call the new estate...Baja California
What an idiot.
Gr....A Co. employee - 13 years ago
GREAT IDEA!!! And while you're at it, take Bob Buster and shove him into some deep cesspool where he belongs!! He's nothing more than a scumbag egotistical politician!!!
Gerry Byrnes - 13 years ago
As one who left the SF Bay area 35 years ago I am grateful for the Inspiration that prompted me to move. You folks are now on the cutting edge. If Obama gets re-elected next year the Union will dissolve. Tx will probably lead the way but you folks won't be far behind.
palidin - 13 years ago
Let them split and be done with it. And if we can get the unionized states to split from the rest of us , that would be great.
CISDACO - 13 years ago
I have always wanted to retire in SoCal (10 years from now) but would never consider it because of the screwed up state governemnt. I employ 80 people now and would relocate in a heartbeat if the taxes and regulations (right to work state) were more business friendly in South California. Where do I send a donation to make it happen???
So.Cal.Na(t)ive - 13 years ago
I've read that for every 3 businesses moving into California, 100 are moving out. As a small business owner for the last 24 years, I can't figure out what those 3 are thinking.
California's grade 1 thru 12 population is 52% hispanic. 1/2 of grade 1 in L.A. do not have any knowledge of English, being children of illegal aliens.
When Gray Davis was elected governor, the press hailed it as a great moment since with the legislature being over 60% democrat, it was finally time to see what the idea of liberal socialism could do, unfettered by those nasty conservatives.
We'll, we have now seen.
charleyv - 13 years ago
Better choice is for So Cal to break away and form our own country, not state.
That way we could have our own constitution that excludes Obama look-a-likes from
entering the country.
Less of California in the U.S.A., please. You've been an example of the worst we can be.
Jay - 13 years ago
It looks like Stone is trying to carve a "red" state out of California. Otherwise he would have included Los Angeles County, a good fit geographically. I would say the proposed split is politics as usual. Look at a map of California. This is just plain gerrymandering.
im from L.A and im a conservative i hate how these dam leberals have fucked it up. i hope all these problems go away becuase i wouyld still like to be the california we are ( without the money problems) just kick those liberal idiots out
gymlock - 13 years ago
I just sold my house in Encino and left SoCal. Two years ago I made really good money, 6 figures. In various fees, licenses, income taxes, gas taxes, property taxes and other surcharges the state got 23% of my GROSS income. Toss in 30% more to the feds and it just wasn't worth it. I'm outta there. California is the textbook example of the Liberal Experiment in the US. It doesn't work. The state has 12% of the population and sucks up 30% of the welfare dollars. Who do you think is getting all that.... and more??
Bruce - 13 years ago
Unless some brilliant mind in this new Southern California has suddenly come up with a way to turn sand into drinking water, it will never happen.
If you want to divide the state, think east and west. From the coast, go 15 miles inland and draw a line from north to south. It solves most of if not all of the states problems. Every whacko will be by the coast and the hard working Californians; read that, "realistic people" will be inland. The western Californians can create their own version of utopia and will have plenty of rich people to tax to make it happen.
Geraldo - 13 years ago
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lump LA, SF into their own little bowl of an olive pit state.
I'm from SF and left years ago. I will NEVER go back to that sorry joke for a city.
Farmer Bob - 13 years ago
"I see the conservative trolls are out in full force today." -- Rane
I see the liberal trolls are out today with nothing to say.
Rabbi Bob - 13 years ago
Parasite - noun, "an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment." or "a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others."
Emperor of Elsinore - 13 years ago
We all ready left the rest of California along time ago. We just have not put up the check points.
Chill Wind - 13 years ago
When the liberals keep doubling down on stupidity and dragging everyone else with them, it is inevitable that people ruled by reason will head for the exits. It is easy to see that California could split up into four states, with the liberals having their own enclave - or liberal ghetto - where they would destroy themselves; while the rest of us peer down at them with interest as though they were some sort of virulent disease safely locked up in a Petri dish. However, it is necessary that the liberals in LA-SF not be permitted to resettle in the other former parts of California once they've destroyed their allotment. They must sleep in the bed they made.
jake - 13 years ago
No term limits eh? What could go wrong!
Jerry Brown - 13 years ago
Come on komrades ,We will have unicorns and rainbows in Kalifornia soon!
John - 13 years ago
Yes, Please! Let 12 counties become a new state. I live in Riverside County. While we're at it, make Los Angeles and San Francisco be their own states. See how long they last? And I will run for governor of South California, Lord knows, I could do a better job than the bumbling moron we have now!
Reid - 13 years ago
I liveat 8100 feet in the central CA moutains 1/2 way between Yosemite & Kings Canyon.
I'd love to divorce BOTH So Cal AND Nor Cal !!!!!!!!!!!!
Chuck, a vet - 13 years ago
Great Idea.
Let's get out of the Sacramento garbage can .
The legislature is in the clutches of the unions and special interest grifters. They won't quit until they tax us out of our homes and get our savings and 401K's
The election process is rife with fraud (four of our top elected officials come from Marin county and the Oakland area.)..tell me that's on the up and up when their collective IQ's compare to a golf score.
And the "fruits and nuts" who have taken over San Francisco will probably next try to repeal the law of gravity so the ACLU can sue Sir Isaac Newton's estate for ruining their permanent high.
Southern California is too beautiful to be ripped off by Moonbeam and company, and all those who want a free ride. Lets take SC back for America (and give Texas a run for the money).
Future History - 13 years ago
Well where's John Titor when you need him?
We can always rely on Future History, for our "Past Mistakes".
Did any Obamites ever read "Dreams of my Father"? He's an Outright Neo-Marxist! But stupid people let Oprah tell them who to vote for instead of doing Objective Research!!!
Obama isn't JFK. Jfk was for freedom. Obama is anti-freedom. Jfk tried to free Cuba, Obama is trying to inslave the USA! Obama loves Chavez and Castro. Jfk hated Castro, and tried to free nations from Communsim!
The "End of this year" will be rough, but be prepared for the start of 2012!
Kaitlin - 13 years ago
I read the article and the jerkwad that works for Jerry Brown thinks this is 1860?
Duh, no we're just tired of the crap from Sacramento. And if that means having to join Mexico then so be it. Maybe we could be a zone like Hong Kong where we were allowed a certain autonomy from the corruption in Mexico City?
And I do think we would be able to get more access to the beaches in the south/Baja.
Three new states would be perfect: To the North, a state named "North Fremont." To the South, a state named "South Fremont." In the middle, from LA to SF, a state named "Freeload." I'm just sayin'.
Nancy - 13 years ago
I love the name Aztlan. It's such a pretty name.
I love the idea of breaking the state up into smaller pieces. It will be much easier to be absorbed into Mexico. We won't need passports anymore and they have great beaches, and pottery and I love the tortillas.
Great idea. And doesn't Mexico have a smaller debt than the US? this should be looked into.
Love and peace everyone. Have a gentle holiday.
Esteban - 13 years ago
Atzlan. Great idea Einstien. I hope you are kidding.
Andrew S - 13 years ago
Split it up into 4 or more states, not just two. Us from NorCal don't want SF or LA! Let them kill themselves, I'm not going down with them!
JulioH - 13 years ago
If you look at the demographics maps of SoCal you should consider naming the new state Aztlan or Mexifornia.
Viva SoCal!!
John - 13 years ago
Don't forget to also take LA county when you go!! California should probably be broken up into three states, it's way too large and most of the population isn't getting the representation it should.
Larry - 13 years ago
YES! it is time to go and leave the liberals to their fate. After all if they have their own state then they tax business until business leaves "their" state, and we, citizens of South CA won't have to bail them out.
Thad Beier - 13 years ago
I agree that California should be split. It's too large right now, and as such is apparently impossible to govern.
I would suggest it become four or five states, rather than just Red California and the rest of it. Northern California, Bay Area, Central Valley, South Coast, Inland Empire, say.
It would give the people substantially more say in Congress and in Presidential elections, too. It seems like a complete win for almost everybody in the state -- although I can easily see the rest of the country complaining.
This could work. Even better would be a breaking off from central coastal counties. Hive off from LA north up through Marin County along the coastal range as a line. That would let the like minded from OC south, the Norstater, Central Valley and East of Sierra staters together.
The new coastal state would tie LA and SF together in one state. We could call it the State of Central California Coastal Pharout (CCCP).
Rich - 13 years ago
I would like to offer the Democratic only parts of Maryland, those are the parts of Maryland were we only have one party and they certainly don't work for the people, as a contribution to the liberal sinkhole.
Erik B. - 13 years ago
I live in the Los Angeles area and would not mind a secession at all. This place sucks. Like Davey Crockett said,"You can all go to hell, I'm going to Texas!". Except I'll say,"You can all go to hell, I'm going to South California!".
Annie - 13 years ago
I'm from Northern Cal - Can we split off from LA and San Francisco, too? Please???
Lyle Petersen - 13 years ago
As a resident of Northern California, all I can say is...
Join the Northern California Statehood Facebook Page here: http://on.fb.me/iOfmDp
Spread the word!
Liz - 13 years ago
San Diego would be home to our large family if it weren't for the corrupt California unions and their government lackeys, and the rock bottom school standards. We moved in order to spare our children, but a responsibly run Southern state would get us right back. Under part-time, conservative leadership that would be the most desireable place to live in the entire nation, if not the world. Oh please let it happen.
Kristi - 13 years ago
Do it!
Let the liberal freaks in LA and SF destroy what would be left of California.
Rane - 13 years ago
I see the conservative trolls are out in full force today.
B1Brad - 13 years ago
Southern California should absolutely secede from the greater California. Leave the rest of Cali to the Liberal Socialist Democratic Progressive Party and everybody who supports their crap (we'll even throw in AlGore, VP Joe BiteMe, and Anthony Weiner as honorary members of Cali). We'll keep the military, oil companies, church goers, heterosexuals, our guns, and we'll keep the U.S. Constitution. Happy 4th of July!!!
Bob - 13 years ago
Stuff a ballot box, anyone?
Tex - 13 years ago
To Dave: When will you learn "be careful of what you ask for"!
Tex - 13 years ago
And they laughed when Texas talked about secession (only tongue in cheek). Only 1 (one) US Senator should be a prerequisite for both "states". There are enough liberal idiots in the US Senate already.
Good Luck.
patrick dempsey - 13 years ago
I live in Minnesota. I say to your SoCal'ers - GO FOR IT!!! West Virginia did it, no reason it can't happen again.
Andre - 13 years ago
Super idea. Name it California South. Don't start the name from the word South. Zip symbol CS.
Part-time legislature. Brake the unions into small and local representation only. No statewide nonsense. Public needs more control over spending [no more Bell-type plunder]. 90% of people like to seceded from the north. I know, that they like it too. We need a proposition for 2012 or 2014 for sure. Let's do it.
Dave - 13 years ago
Another loony "secession' movement talked up by a hick politician who wants some attention.
It would make sense, though. The problem is that NOBODY wants Los Angeles. North and South alike know it has become a festering Third-World shithole. There are still nice spots but the core is as rotten as it gets.
And I'm a "liberal." Go figure.
Jimmy Jack - 13 years ago
Don't for get that hole of Bolshevik h3ll, Chicago either - FREE ILLINOIS!
GoBears - 13 years ago
PLEASE include Merced and Stanislaus counties!!! I don't want be be stuck in a state with LA, SF and Sacramento.
derf - 13 years ago
Nuke it
Stan S. - 13 years ago
Take New York and DC into the ocean also.
The Bearo - 13 years ago
My wife and I would love to live in SoCal, but with the current political situation, we wouldn't even consider it (as we've worked very hard, currently employ dozens of people, and don't wish for our hard earned wealth to be squandered by the fools in Sacremento)...If this could happen, we would gladly pay our property and sales taxes to a responsible government authority...throw in LA, and we'd be out...
Ken Babbitt - 13 years ago
PLEASE take Los Angeles with you! We don't want 'em either.
It would be better if that whole liberal shit hole fell off into the ocean. What a great example of what open borders, abomination, and liberal politics will do to a state.
Paul G - 13 years ago
Just join Mexico and get it over with.
Robert G - 13 years ago
It would be better if California seceded from the Union.
I only want to leave with people who share the same ideas as me. Debate and compromise are too hard anymore.
I wish Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone could've brought the California secession proposal up earlier, like in January. Then, I would've bought my house in Orange County instead of Los Angeles County!
John and Ken of KFI Talkradio had a phone interview with Supervisor Jeff Stone today (July 14, 2011). The new structure he was proposing for the new California was an excellent idea--especially the ones for creating a PART-TIME legislature and a right-to-work state (i.e. NO UNIONS!)
I hope he can pull this off! I am basically sick and tired of these Liberals that are destroying California!
I was born in Walnut Creek and I've lived in San Diego for the last 25 years. The City that I live in gets water from the Colorado River and a big, awesome R.O. plant. For all I care you can shut down the aqueduct today, it has no power over me. Ever since the Pelosi-Feinstein-Boxer idiots decided that the Delta Smelt was more important than people, we saw the writing on the wall. Yes, water is a precious resource but without innovation and competition, it is a commodity like oil that will be controlled by barons like OPEC.
The important issue whether we will encourage prosperity and innovation resulting in more jobs or if we punish the successful by redistributing their wealth to everyone who wants to leech the system. The only way to achieve the former is to not owe anything to anyone. Instead of having social programs that maintain a voting constituency, make the social programs gateways to individual independence. Instead of having full-time politicians that are owned by unions and large corporations, have a part-time legislature that has to spend most of the year looking at their constituents in the eyes.
Yes, Lump the coastal counties north of San Diego together with Sacramento. The remainder would be a great state!
After overbuilding, sucking the north dry of it's water, sending your gangs into our cities, yes, I think it's a good idea for Southern California to make itself it's own state.
Keep up people (those who are saying it ain't happenin' cuz of the h20) We're seriously planning desalination plants, in SoCa, of the great big blue ocean. I had a phone call from my city government polling me on what I thought of it. I said to go for it. I'll bathe and water in desalinated water if it meant getting rid of NoCa! In a heartbeat. There are many, many, many SoCal's who agree with this! We're praying for this to happen!
Stupid conservatives whining about the goverment and liberals. Nothing new
I agree that California is too big to manage, and the way things are, we in Southern California are hostages to the Pelosi-Feinstein-Boxer idiots (too kind a term) of the North. We MUST split the state, and I agree with the comment above that would separate out the coastal cities from the Bay Area to LA and call it Left California, and make the rest Right California. However, I would settle for a north/south split, also.
As a result of the secession there would be a north south war. Over what? WATER.
I'd like to know where these geniuses plan to get their water from? And the cost? Get ready to get screwed as the "big oil" companies will have now taught the "big water" companies how it's done.
LOL. We have already solved the problem for California. It is only a matter of time (and we are patient) until we take back what was stolen from us 150 years ago. California is just an extension now of Mexico. People driving around, taking their kids to soccer games, dance class and such but they have no idea what is happening. We are taking California back. The petitions are coming alright but they will be petitions to join our compadres in a Greater Mexico.
Viva Aztlan!!!!
Keep sleeping California. :-)
I live in the Riverside City area and I don't think any other area of California has taken a bigger economic hit that we have. The Sheriff is right. Sacramento wants us to pay, pay, pay, and then hordes all the revenue for them! How is that fair?
And by the way, you NoCal Libs who think we can't get water down here. When we start drilling for oil like crazy, which will make our economy soar, then we can do a little bartering
with you. You'll get tired of riding your bicycles and getting only 2o miles in your electric cars! We will even throw in those dumb, useless windmills parked out near Palm Springs.
One more thing I forgot to mention, become a Republic similar to Texas and do not give it up. Our nation is a Republic government not a Democratic government as some in Washington DC would like to have you believe.
Finally someone has finally got the gumption to do something about it. Go for it, one thing for sure you surely can't be worse off. Say and do what you mean, so now many of you who have spoken to secede from the crap hole of California and want to form your own state, it is time to act. Some of you know your best constitutional lawyers draft the legal letter to secede and start forming representatives from each county to begin with a new state constitution. To give you starters just look at the constitution of Texas and utilize sections that all feel should be in the draft. Put it on the net for all citizens in affected counties to look at form a convention and get things rolling. I hope that all of you truly succeed in the new endeavor and my wife and I will come visit years later the new State of Southern California.
Matt and Dan have it right. Joe, keep your water, Keep your illegals and your unions, we will keep our taxes and build desalination plants and we will lower taxes and prosper like Texas.
I am all for it.
There are many of us in Southern California that want to break off from the liberal idiots in L A and north. We want to become a new state and rejoin the rest of the USA. I think it is a great idea and I would vote for it.
I'm in favor of this! Being a Northern Californian, I'm sick of the SoCal people stealing our water!
Make it easier for the entire state - take all the coastal counties from SanFrancisco down to L.A. county. Call it Left California. Call all the rest Right California. This would accurately reflect the political leanings of all counties! Lets see how long the libral breeding grounds can survive without the rest of us supporting them!
How do people in So. California think they are going to replace the water that they now get from the Feather River/California Delta.....California Aqueduct if California splits in half?
PS: please take LA with you.
Please do it. Speaking on behalf of the people in NoCal, we'll gladly help you leave.
Self-government...what a concept! Goodluck with keeping local government local:)
That is the best thing I have heard yet. Lets get it going. Maybe we can have a conservative state after all and let the cooks have the north.
Si, Si...
We will call the new estate...Baja California
What an idiot.
GREAT IDEA!!! And while you're at it, take Bob Buster and shove him into some deep cesspool where he belongs!! He's nothing more than a scumbag egotistical politician!!!
As one who left the SF Bay area 35 years ago I am grateful for the Inspiration that prompted me to move. You folks are now on the cutting edge. If Obama gets re-elected next year the Union will dissolve. Tx will probably lead the way but you folks won't be far behind.
Let them split and be done with it. And if we can get the unionized states to split from the rest of us , that would be great.
I have always wanted to retire in SoCal (10 years from now) but would never consider it because of the screwed up state governemnt. I employ 80 people now and would relocate in a heartbeat if the taxes and regulations (right to work state) were more business friendly in South California. Where do I send a donation to make it happen???
I've read that for every 3 businesses moving into California, 100 are moving out. As a small business owner for the last 24 years, I can't figure out what those 3 are thinking.
California's grade 1 thru 12 population is 52% hispanic. 1/2 of grade 1 in L.A. do not have any knowledge of English, being children of illegal aliens.
When Gray Davis was elected governor, the press hailed it as a great moment since with the legislature being over 60% democrat, it was finally time to see what the idea of liberal socialism could do, unfettered by those nasty conservatives.
We'll, we have now seen.
Better choice is for So Cal to break away and form our own country, not state.
That way we could have our own constitution that excludes Obama look-a-likes from
entering the country.
Less of California in the U.S.A., please. You've been an example of the worst we can be.
It looks like Stone is trying to carve a "red" state out of California. Otherwise he would have included Los Angeles County, a good fit geographically. I would say the proposed split is politics as usual. Look at a map of California. This is just plain gerrymandering.
im from L.A and im a conservative i hate how these dam leberals have fucked it up. i hope all these problems go away becuase i wouyld still like to be the california we are ( without the money problems) just kick those liberal idiots out
I just sold my house in Encino and left SoCal. Two years ago I made really good money, 6 figures. In various fees, licenses, income taxes, gas taxes, property taxes and other surcharges the state got 23% of my GROSS income. Toss in 30% more to the feds and it just wasn't worth it. I'm outta there. California is the textbook example of the Liberal Experiment in the US. It doesn't work. The state has 12% of the population and sucks up 30% of the welfare dollars. Who do you think is getting all that.... and more??
Unless some brilliant mind in this new Southern California has suddenly come up with a way to turn sand into drinking water, it will never happen.
If you want to divide the state, think east and west. From the coast, go 15 miles inland and draw a line from north to south. It solves most of if not all of the states problems. Every whacko will be by the coast and the hard working Californians; read that, "realistic people" will be inland. The western Californians can create their own version of utopia and will have plenty of rich people to tax to make it happen.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lump LA, SF into their own little bowl of an olive pit state.
I'm from SF and left years ago. I will NEVER go back to that sorry joke for a city.
"I see the conservative trolls are out in full force today." -- Rane
I see the liberal trolls are out today with nothing to say.
Parasite - noun, "an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment." or "a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others."
We all ready left the rest of California along time ago. We just have not put up the check points.
When the liberals keep doubling down on stupidity and dragging everyone else with them, it is inevitable that people ruled by reason will head for the exits. It is easy to see that California could split up into four states, with the liberals having their own enclave - or liberal ghetto - where they would destroy themselves; while the rest of us peer down at them with interest as though they were some sort of virulent disease safely locked up in a Petri dish. However, it is necessary that the liberals in LA-SF not be permitted to resettle in the other former parts of California once they've destroyed their allotment. They must sleep in the bed they made.
No term limits eh? What could go wrong!
Come on komrades ,We will have unicorns and rainbows in Kalifornia soon!
Yes, Please! Let 12 counties become a new state. I live in Riverside County. While we're at it, make Los Angeles and San Francisco be their own states. See how long they last? And I will run for governor of South California, Lord knows, I could do a better job than the bumbling moron we have now!
I liveat 8100 feet in the central CA moutains 1/2 way between Yosemite & Kings Canyon.
I'd love to divorce BOTH So Cal AND Nor Cal !!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Idea.
Let's get out of the Sacramento garbage can .
The legislature is in the clutches of the unions and special interest grifters. They won't quit until they tax us out of our homes and get our savings and 401K's
The election process is rife with fraud (four of our top elected officials come from Marin county and the Oakland area.)..tell me that's on the up and up when their collective IQ's compare to a golf score.
And the "fruits and nuts" who have taken over San Francisco will probably next try to repeal the law of gravity so the ACLU can sue Sir Isaac Newton's estate for ruining their permanent high.
Southern California is too beautiful to be ripped off by Moonbeam and company, and all those who want a free ride. Lets take SC back for America (and give Texas a run for the money).
Well where's John Titor when you need him?
We can always rely on Future History, for our "Past Mistakes".
Did any Obamites ever read "Dreams of my Father"? He's an Outright Neo-Marxist! But stupid people let Oprah tell them who to vote for instead of doing Objective Research!!!
Obama isn't JFK. Jfk was for freedom. Obama is anti-freedom. Jfk tried to free Cuba, Obama is trying to inslave the USA! Obama loves Chavez and Castro. Jfk hated Castro, and tried to free nations from Communsim!
The "End of this year" will be rough, but be prepared for the start of 2012!
I read the article and the jerkwad that works for Jerry Brown thinks this is 1860?
Duh, no we're just tired of the crap from Sacramento. And if that means having to join Mexico then so be it. Maybe we could be a zone like Hong Kong where we were allowed a certain autonomy from the corruption in Mexico City?
And I do think we would be able to get more access to the beaches in the south/Baja.
Three new states would be perfect: To the North, a state named "North Fremont." To the South, a state named "South Fremont." In the middle, from LA to SF, a state named "Freeload." I'm just sayin'.
I love the name Aztlan. It's such a pretty name.
I love the idea of breaking the state up into smaller pieces. It will be much easier to be absorbed into Mexico. We won't need passports anymore and they have great beaches, and pottery and I love the tortillas.
Great idea. And doesn't Mexico have a smaller debt than the US? this should be looked into.
Love and peace everyone. Have a gentle holiday.
Atzlan. Great idea Einstien. I hope you are kidding.
Split it up into 4 or more states, not just two. Us from NorCal don't want SF or LA! Let them kill themselves, I'm not going down with them!
If you look at the demographics maps of SoCal you should consider naming the new state Aztlan or Mexifornia.
Viva SoCal!!
Don't forget to also take LA county when you go!! California should probably be broken up into three states, it's way too large and most of the population isn't getting the representation it should.
YES! it is time to go and leave the liberals to their fate. After all if they have their own state then they tax business until business leaves "their" state, and we, citizens of South CA won't have to bail them out.
I agree that California should be split. It's too large right now, and as such is apparently impossible to govern.
I would suggest it become four or five states, rather than just Red California and the rest of it. Northern California, Bay Area, Central Valley, South Coast, Inland Empire, say.
It would give the people substantially more say in Congress and in Presidential elections, too. It seems like a complete win for almost everybody in the state -- although I can easily see the rest of the country complaining.
This could work. Even better would be a breaking off from central coastal counties. Hive off from LA north up through Marin County along the coastal range as a line. That would let the like minded from OC south, the Norstater, Central Valley and East of Sierra staters together.
The new coastal state would tie LA and SF together in one state. We could call it the State of Central California Coastal Pharout (CCCP).
I would like to offer the Democratic only parts of Maryland, those are the parts of Maryland were we only have one party and they certainly don't work for the people, as a contribution to the liberal sinkhole.
I live in the Los Angeles area and would not mind a secession at all. This place sucks. Like Davey Crockett said,"You can all go to hell, I'm going to Texas!". Except I'll say,"You can all go to hell, I'm going to South California!".
I'm from Northern Cal - Can we split off from LA and San Francisco, too? Please???
As a resident of Northern California, all I can say is...
FASTER, PLEASE!
Oh yeah, and pay us for our water!
Join the Northern California Statehood Facebook Page here: http://on.fb.me/iOfmDp
Spread the word!
San Diego would be home to our large family if it weren't for the corrupt California unions and their government lackeys, and the rock bottom school standards. We moved in order to spare our children, but a responsibly run Southern state would get us right back. Under part-time, conservative leadership that would be the most desireable place to live in the entire nation, if not the world. Oh please let it happen.
Do it!
Let the liberal freaks in LA and SF destroy what would be left of California.
I see the conservative trolls are out in full force today.
Southern California should absolutely secede from the greater California. Leave the rest of Cali to the Liberal Socialist Democratic Progressive Party and everybody who supports their crap (we'll even throw in AlGore, VP Joe BiteMe, and Anthony Weiner as honorary members of Cali). We'll keep the military, oil companies, church goers, heterosexuals, our guns, and we'll keep the U.S. Constitution. Happy 4th of July!!!
Stuff a ballot box, anyone?
To Dave: When will you learn "be careful of what you ask for"!
And they laughed when Texas talked about secession (only tongue in cheek). Only 1 (one) US Senator should be a prerequisite for both "states". There are enough liberal idiots in the US Senate already.
Good Luck.
I live in Minnesota. I say to your SoCal'ers - GO FOR IT!!! West Virginia did it, no reason it can't happen again.
Super idea. Name it California South. Don't start the name from the word South. Zip symbol CS.
Part-time legislature. Brake the unions into small and local representation only. No statewide nonsense. Public needs more control over spending [no more Bell-type plunder]. 90% of people like to seceded from the north. I know, that they like it too. We need a proposition for 2012 or 2014 for sure. Let's do it.
Another loony "secession' movement talked up by a hick politician who wants some attention.
It would make sense, though. The problem is that NOBODY wants Los Angeles. North and South alike know it has become a festering Third-World shithole. There are still nice spots but the core is as rotten as it gets.
And I'm a "liberal." Go figure.
Don't for get that hole of Bolshevik h3ll, Chicago either - FREE ILLINOIS!
PLEASE include Merced and Stanislaus counties!!! I don't want be be stuck in a state with LA, SF and Sacramento.
Nuke it
Take New York and DC into the ocean also.
My wife and I would love to live in SoCal, but with the current political situation, we wouldn't even consider it (as we've worked very hard, currently employ dozens of people, and don't wish for our hard earned wealth to be squandered by the fools in Sacremento)...If this could happen, we would gladly pay our property and sales taxes to a responsible government authority...throw in LA, and we'd be out...
PLEASE take Los Angeles with you! We don't want 'em either.
It would be better if that whole liberal shit hole fell off into the ocean. What a great example of what open borders, abomination, and liberal politics will do to a state.
Just join Mexico and get it over with.
It would be better if California seceded from the Union.