You patriot fans are ridiculous. The question is not wether what they did was legal or not. It's about should it be allowed. I do think hiring someone in the postseason who recently worked for the team your about to play brings an unfair advantage and that is the point of closing the loophole.
Stoney - 12 years ago
It is probably a good idea overall; however, in this case, I think the "paranoia" is over-hyped. Coach McDaniels has not been involved with Denver for over a year-and-a half. More to the case of the Patriots covering their OC needs with O'Brien going to PSU and all that entails for both the Pats and PSU. I don't think it really gives the Pats any advantage, but makes for great media fodder.
Gnarles Barkley - 12 years ago
Thats Terra-bull. Another way for Bellichick to circumvent the "rules" to his advantage, even though there is no rule. I know that does not make sense, but BB will do whatever he can to gain an advantage, even though it may be legal.
The rule should be once a coach's season is over, than they shouldn't be able to join another staff.
Yes, the loophole needs to be closed. I've been a Patriots fanatic for over thirty years and I'll gladly accept any advantage that Josh might bring to my favorite team, but the ability to add a coach to your team for the playoffs that was with another team at the end of the regular season is fundamentally wrong.
Marsh Lands - 12 years ago
Hey "Stop the BS"... first of all don't be @$$hole, secondly I don't believe you are correct
"Teams can sign, during the season, players, coaches or other staff that are out of work and have no contractual obligation to another team," - NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said.
http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d825e338e/mcdaniels-a-patriot-again-but-it-doesnt-bother-broncos/
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello explains via email that rosters become frozen once a team’s season ends, and the rosters remain frozen until the day after the Super Bowl.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/league-should-close-the-mcdaniels-loophole/
The Patriots nor the Broncos rosters are locked - their seasons continue. The Rams roster is locked, they cannot add nor subtract a player until after the Super Bowl (exception is a "futures contracts"). If the Broncos want to sign someone this week they can. Rosters for teams continuing to play are not locked.
Case in point the Philadelphia Eagles on on January 7, 2009 signed Dimitri Patterson from their practice squad to replace Mike Glynn who was placed on IR. The same day the Eagles signed WR Danny Amendola and G Tim Duckworth to their practice squad; to make room for them the Eagles cut Drisan James (WR) and Jonathan Hefney (CB). The Eagles had just beaten the Vikings 26-14 on January 4th in the Wildcard Round and proceeded to win the Divisional Round game against the Giants on January 11th before losing to the Cardinals on January 18th. Amendola and Duckworth were not signed from the practice squad to play in either of these games playoffs. Are you saying that Amendola and Duckworth were not eligible to be signed off the practice squad if the Eagles experienced another injury?
The roster freeze was my point more than anything else. So I apologize if my use of Calvin Johnson as a metaphorical extreme case caused you acid indigestion; yes the Lions roster is currently frozen so Johnson can't be waived I apologize for informational indiscretion. My point was if there is "roster" issue here the issue is that the Rams should not have been able to release McDaniels the same way they could not release Bradford or Long.
In addition, thank you for your feedback, I look forward to further clarification. I kindly ask that you continue to educate me on the finer points of NFL roster rule interpretations, I look forward to the lesson from a GM in waiting such as yourself.
Have a nice day.
Peter Therrien - 12 years ago
If this were any other playoff team ( besides the Pats ), would people be up in arms about this move? I'm tired of the talk of fowl play. If it was written in stone the NFL wouldn't have allowed it. The only thing I have to say to the other teams and their fans. TOUGHEN UP BUTTERCUP!
Stop the BS - 12 years ago
Hey Marsh - you're wrong. Rosters are locked. Can't sign anyone and add them to the roster unless they're on your own practice squad. As it should be.
So, seeing as how you don't understand the rules, maybe you should learn them before you profess to know.
Pasqualoni to the Cowgirls is nowhere near the same as McDaniel to the PityPats. Pasqualoni was coaching in the AFC, a different conference. He had no background with anyone that the Cowgirls could face in the playoffs.
Compare apples with apples.
jimmyjoejackass - 12 years ago
Broncos suck! Pats don't even need a coaching staff to destroy tebow.
Marsh Lands - 12 years ago
"AA - Broncos lost 2 wide receivers in the last 2 weeks. How loud would the Patriot whine be if they replaced them with say TO and Moss, 2 players that either are unsigned or released?"
The Broncos could sign then now if they wanted to... the issue would be if a Lions released Calvin Johnson and he signed with Denver. Never happen as he would be subject to the waiver wire and Indy would jump all over him.
This is bluster about nothing, who cares the Pats rehired McDaniels. They were trying to hire him on SATURDAY a day before the Broncos beat Vegas and the Steelers.
Remember the outrage and indignation when the Dallas Cowboys hired Paul Pasqualoni back in 2009?
The Dolphins' defensive coordinator, fired at the end of the regular season, was hired by Dallas for their playoff run. He was brought in because Cowboys defensive line coach Todd Grantham was taking a job with the University of Georgia.
You don't remember the outrage? Know what? Me neither.
Why does someone take the time to vote "no opinion" in a poll?
Stop the BS - 12 years ago
Steven - then you'd have no problem if the Broncos wanted to sign TO, Moss and Farve this week?
Stop the BS - 12 years ago
Roverboy - do you mean let a coach leave BEFORE the playoffs were completed so that you could replace him while the playoffs were on? I'm sure O'Brien's contract was THROUGH the end of the season, including the playoffs, not something that ended after the last regular season game.. I'm certain that Penn State would have been understanding of the situation. Seems like lettting O'Brien leave early was a calculated move by Belechik, one he could use to his advantage. Brady certainly wanted O'Brien gone, evidenced by their very public argument when things were falling apart for the star, and, according to several articles I've read, couldn't wait for McDaniel to return this week. here there's smoke, there's fire. And, from my perspective, there's a lot of smoke being blown in Foxboro.
steven - 12 years ago
If a person loses their job, they should be able to get another job the next day if available. It is the right of everyone in America.
roverboy1949 - 12 years ago
stoptheBS - if the same circumstances arose for any other team they would do the same thing, assuming they were smart enough. Player rosters are frozen, not coaching personel.
Stop the BS - 12 years ago
Right, Darrell. Your way or everyone is "retarded". Put your big boy pants on and realize that this has to do with ethics. Maybe you're not aware of the term, maybe you don't care. But that is what this is all about.
Belechik was taping opposition coaches signals for his own advantage a few years ago. Were the people that complained about that "retarded"? Or were they complaining about the ethics of the matter? If the "high and mighty" PityPats are as good as you and the rest of "Patriots Nation" claim, they would go to pains to avoid something like this, knowing that it would besmirch their attempts to get to the Super Bowl. But, they don't. For the psychological advantage that it gives them. All I know is, should they get to the Bowl, the Giants will certainly kick a whole bunch of PityPat ass.
The Patriots are a flawed team, led by an insecure coach. This week - Broncos 38, Patriots 34.
Darrell - 12 years ago
People are retarded I'm not a Pats or Broncos fan and this is just stupid. Everyone acting like McDaniels coached there this yr. The Broncos have a different offensive system in place then they did when Josh was coaching. And what is Josh gunna tell them to that everyone doesn't already know, that Tebow struggles to pass, and he likes to run. Its not like the Pats can't just use the game film that they have of when they beat the Broncos. And its not like coaches don't communicate with each other, Im sure Bill has already talked to Romeo about Tebow, or is that not allowed also. Stop crying you can have all the coaching you want but you still have to execute on the field... Simple as that
Stop the BS - 12 years ago
Roverboy - no other team would do this in the Playoffs. It purely "Belechikism".
AA - Broncos lost 2 wide receivers in the last 2 weeks. How loud would the Patriot whine be if they replaced them with say TO and Moss, 2 players that either are unsigned or released?
AA - 12 years ago
The Pats are simply formalizing something they would've done anyway. If they didn't hire him then belichick would've spent 3 hours on Monday night talking to him on the phone. Same thing.
Greg - 12 years ago
Patriots haters....McDaniels was hired before Bronco's won to replace O'Brien who is going to Penn State.
roverboy1949 - 12 years ago
15 yards for piling on. If any other team did this, it wouldn't be an issue. Since it's the Pats and BB, everyone takes a shot at them. BB used (not manipulate ) the system to get the best man he could to replace tha man he was losing. End of story.
Stop the BS - 12 years ago
I don't have a dog in this fight (I'm a Giants fan) but it seems like there are a lot of Patriots fans commenting in here. Whether hiring McDaniel is a technical help or not, it IS a psychological advantage that the Pats are attempting to use. Fits with Belechik's way of doing things. And should be stopped by the NFL. Interviewing for a job is fine during the playoffs. But, like player
rosters, no hiring should take effect until AFTER the Super Bowl.
Jachan - 12 years ago
Obviously Florio doesn't know this has happened before.The last time was when Dallas hired Paul Pasqualoni after the Dolphins season ended and he was about to be fired with the rest of that staff at the time.
What's the big deal?
Frank - 12 years ago
Do I understand this correctly? You are in a lather because NE hired a coach who left Denver over a year ago? Your point is so absurd it's funny. And running a poll? Please! OH! When this is over let's have a Spygate poll. How about them Black Sox?
steve - 12 years ago
Really? Do you think Bill Belichick would have hired Chuck Noll or Bill Cowher if the Steelers won? Maybe Jim Fassell because John Fox was his Def Coord? His OC was leaving and his former OC was available. That's all. It has nothing to do with Broncos or Tebow.If Bill O'Brien didn't take the Penn State job he wouldn't have hired McDaniels. Bill Belichick is buddies with Urban Meyer and studied the spread offense that Florida ran (has a few Gators on his roster). He helped develop Nick Saban. If he needs info on Tebow he didn't have to hire Josh McDaniels, who probably knows less about Tebow than Meyer & Saban, he would just talk to his coaching buddies.
12 - 12 years ago
Thank you sir, by the bay, McDaniels was linked to the Pats before the Broncos/Steelers game, who expected Denver to win that game??
Anyway they dont need McDaniels to beat Tebow, they beat him the first time they met him
nosetackle supreme - 12 years ago
You're saying that coaches shouldn't get a head start on their next job after they find out they're likely to lose their gig? Of course, it is totally ok, then, that O' Brien took the Penn St job in the middle of the playoffs. should New England told him he couldn't interview for that job or any other job because they wouldn't be allowed to replace him until after the Super Bowl?
The Patriots don't need McDaniel's help to beat the Broncos. It's not even as if he was their coach this year. They don't even run the same offense w/ Tebow as McDaniel's ran with Orton. if Belichick wasn't involved, no one would care.
You patriot fans are ridiculous. The question is not wether what they did was legal or not. It's about should it be allowed. I do think hiring someone in the postseason who recently worked for the team your about to play brings an unfair advantage and that is the point of closing the loophole.
It is probably a good idea overall; however, in this case, I think the "paranoia" is over-hyped. Coach McDaniels has not been involved with Denver for over a year-and-a half. More to the case of the Patriots covering their OC needs with O'Brien going to PSU and all that entails for both the Pats and PSU. I don't think it really gives the Pats any advantage, but makes for great media fodder.
Thats Terra-bull. Another way for Bellichick to circumvent the "rules" to his advantage, even though there is no rule. I know that does not make sense, but BB will do whatever he can to gain an advantage, even though it may be legal.
The rule should be once a coach's season is over, than they shouldn't be able to join another staff.
TERRA-Bull. Belichick-gate, part deux.
Yes, the loophole needs to be closed. I've been a Patriots fanatic for over thirty years and I'll gladly accept any advantage that Josh might bring to my favorite team, but the ability to add a coach to your team for the playoffs that was with another team at the end of the regular season is fundamentally wrong.
Hey "Stop the BS"... first of all don't be @$$hole, secondly I don't believe you are correct
"Teams can sign, during the season, players, coaches or other staff that are out of work and have no contractual obligation to another team," - NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said.
http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d825e338e/mcdaniels-a-patriot-again-but-it-doesnt-bother-broncos/
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello explains via email that rosters become frozen once a team’s season ends, and the rosters remain frozen until the day after the Super Bowl.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/league-should-close-the-mcdaniels-loophole/
The Patriots nor the Broncos rosters are locked - their seasons continue. The Rams roster is locked, they cannot add nor subtract a player until after the Super Bowl (exception is a "futures contracts"). If the Broncos want to sign someone this week they can. Rosters for teams continuing to play are not locked.
Case in point the Philadelphia Eagles on on January 7, 2009 signed Dimitri Patterson from their practice squad to replace Mike Glynn who was placed on IR. The same day the Eagles signed WR Danny Amendola and G Tim Duckworth to their practice squad; to make room for them the Eagles cut Drisan James (WR) and Jonathan Hefney (CB). The Eagles had just beaten the Vikings 26-14 on January 4th in the Wildcard Round and proceeded to win the Divisional Round game against the Giants on January 11th before losing to the Cardinals on January 18th. Amendola and Duckworth were not signed from the practice squad to play in either of these games playoffs. Are you saying that Amendola and Duckworth were not eligible to be signed off the practice squad if the Eagles experienced another injury?
The roster freeze was my point more than anything else. So I apologize if my use of Calvin Johnson as a metaphorical extreme case caused you acid indigestion; yes the Lions roster is currently frozen so Johnson can't be waived I apologize for informational indiscretion. My point was if there is "roster" issue here the issue is that the Rams should not have been able to release McDaniels the same way they could not release Bradford or Long.
In addition, thank you for your feedback, I look forward to further clarification. I kindly ask that you continue to educate me on the finer points of NFL roster rule interpretations, I look forward to the lesson from a GM in waiting such as yourself.
Have a nice day.
If this were any other playoff team ( besides the Pats ), would people be up in arms about this move? I'm tired of the talk of fowl play. If it was written in stone the NFL wouldn't have allowed it. The only thing I have to say to the other teams and their fans. TOUGHEN UP BUTTERCUP!
Hey Marsh - you're wrong. Rosters are locked. Can't sign anyone and add them to the roster unless they're on your own practice squad. As it should be.
So, seeing as how you don't understand the rules, maybe you should learn them before you profess to know.
Pasqualoni to the Cowgirls is nowhere near the same as McDaniel to the PityPats. Pasqualoni was coaching in the AFC, a different conference. He had no background with anyone that the Cowgirls could face in the playoffs.
Compare apples with apples.
Broncos suck! Pats don't even need a coaching staff to destroy tebow.
"AA - Broncos lost 2 wide receivers in the last 2 weeks. How loud would the Patriot whine be if they replaced them with say TO and Moss, 2 players that either are unsigned or released?"
The Broncos could sign then now if they wanted to... the issue would be if a Lions released Calvin Johnson and he signed with Denver. Never happen as he would be subject to the waiver wire and Indy would jump all over him.
This is bluster about nothing, who cares the Pats rehired McDaniels. They were trying to hire him on SATURDAY a day before the Broncos beat Vegas and the Steelers.
Remember the outrage and indignation when the Dallas Cowboys hired Paul Pasqualoni back in 2009?
The Dolphins' defensive coordinator, fired at the end of the regular season, was hired by Dallas for their playoff run. He was brought in because Cowboys defensive line coach Todd Grantham was taking a job with the University of Georgia.
You don't remember the outrage? Know what? Me neither.
Why does someone take the time to vote "no opinion" in a poll?
Steven - then you'd have no problem if the Broncos wanted to sign TO, Moss and Farve this week?
Roverboy - do you mean let a coach leave BEFORE the playoffs were completed so that you could replace him while the playoffs were on? I'm sure O'Brien's contract was THROUGH the end of the season, including the playoffs, not something that ended after the last regular season game.. I'm certain that Penn State would have been understanding of the situation. Seems like lettting O'Brien leave early was a calculated move by Belechik, one he could use to his advantage. Brady certainly wanted O'Brien gone, evidenced by their very public argument when things were falling apart for the star, and, according to several articles I've read, couldn't wait for McDaniel to return this week. here there's smoke, there's fire. And, from my perspective, there's a lot of smoke being blown in Foxboro.
If a person loses their job, they should be able to get another job the next day if available. It is the right of everyone in America.
stoptheBS - if the same circumstances arose for any other team they would do the same thing, assuming they were smart enough. Player rosters are frozen, not coaching personel.
Right, Darrell. Your way or everyone is "retarded". Put your big boy pants on and realize that this has to do with ethics. Maybe you're not aware of the term, maybe you don't care. But that is what this is all about.
Belechik was taping opposition coaches signals for his own advantage a few years ago. Were the people that complained about that "retarded"? Or were they complaining about the ethics of the matter? If the "high and mighty" PityPats are as good as you and the rest of "Patriots Nation" claim, they would go to pains to avoid something like this, knowing that it would besmirch their attempts to get to the Super Bowl. But, they don't. For the psychological advantage that it gives them. All I know is, should they get to the Bowl, the Giants will certainly kick a whole bunch of PityPat ass.
The Patriots are a flawed team, led by an insecure coach. This week - Broncos 38, Patriots 34.
People are retarded I'm not a Pats or Broncos fan and this is just stupid. Everyone acting like McDaniels coached there this yr. The Broncos have a different offensive system in place then they did when Josh was coaching. And what is Josh gunna tell them to that everyone doesn't already know, that Tebow struggles to pass, and he likes to run. Its not like the Pats can't just use the game film that they have of when they beat the Broncos. And its not like coaches don't communicate with each other, Im sure Bill has already talked to Romeo about Tebow, or is that not allowed also. Stop crying you can have all the coaching you want but you still have to execute on the field... Simple as that
Roverboy - no other team would do this in the Playoffs. It purely "Belechikism".
AA - Broncos lost 2 wide receivers in the last 2 weeks. How loud would the Patriot whine be if they replaced them with say TO and Moss, 2 players that either are unsigned or released?
The Pats are simply formalizing something they would've done anyway. If they didn't hire him then belichick would've spent 3 hours on Monday night talking to him on the phone. Same thing.
Patriots haters....McDaniels was hired before Bronco's won to replace O'Brien who is going to Penn State.
15 yards for piling on. If any other team did this, it wouldn't be an issue. Since it's the Pats and BB, everyone takes a shot at them. BB used (not manipulate ) the system to get the best man he could to replace tha man he was losing. End of story.
I don't have a dog in this fight (I'm a Giants fan) but it seems like there are a lot of Patriots fans commenting in here. Whether hiring McDaniel is a technical help or not, it IS a psychological advantage that the Pats are attempting to use. Fits with Belechik's way of doing things. And should be stopped by the NFL. Interviewing for a job is fine during the playoffs. But, like player
rosters, no hiring should take effect until AFTER the Super Bowl.
Obviously Florio doesn't know this has happened before.The last time was when Dallas hired Paul Pasqualoni after the Dolphins season ended and he was about to be fired with the rest of that staff at the time.
What's the big deal?
Do I understand this correctly? You are in a lather because NE hired a coach who left Denver over a year ago? Your point is so absurd it's funny. And running a poll? Please! OH! When this is over let's have a Spygate poll. How about them Black Sox?
Really? Do you think Bill Belichick would have hired Chuck Noll or Bill Cowher if the Steelers won? Maybe Jim Fassell because John Fox was his Def Coord? His OC was leaving and his former OC was available. That's all. It has nothing to do with Broncos or Tebow.If Bill O'Brien didn't take the Penn State job he wouldn't have hired McDaniels. Bill Belichick is buddies with Urban Meyer and studied the spread offense that Florida ran (has a few Gators on his roster). He helped develop Nick Saban. If he needs info on Tebow he didn't have to hire Josh McDaniels, who probably knows less about Tebow than Meyer & Saban, he would just talk to his coaching buddies.
Thank you sir, by the bay, McDaniels was linked to the Pats before the Broncos/Steelers game, who expected Denver to win that game??
Anyway they dont need McDaniels to beat Tebow, they beat him the first time they met him
You're saying that coaches shouldn't get a head start on their next job after they find out they're likely to lose their gig? Of course, it is totally ok, then, that O' Brien took the Penn St job in the middle of the playoffs. should New England told him he couldn't interview for that job or any other job because they wouldn't be allowed to replace him until after the Super Bowl?
The Patriots don't need McDaniel's help to beat the Broncos. It's not even as if he was their coach this year. They don't even run the same offense w/ Tebow as McDaniel's ran with Orton. if Belichick wasn't involved, no one would care.