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PatriotInCT - 11 years ago
@ Frank: Imagine the telephone records being used selectively. Yes, it appears all records are collected. However, not all records are reviewed to find something sought. If a terrorist were sought, the search starts with phone calls by known terrorists. His or her calls link him or her to other terrorists, who will then be monitored. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I think the grain of sand analogy is incorrect. It might be something like 'knowing one grain of sand is poisoned or jagged, and thus dangerous, look nearby for other contaminated grains.' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The scary aspect of this collection of all phone records is the opportunity to review records of political opponents. For example, Democrats in control of this data could have reviewed Mark Sanford's phone calls and then investigated the multiple calls he made to his lover in South America. A detective could be sent out to determine there was an affair, and voila! Sanford is exposed. Continuing on in this manner yields scandals involving US Gen. David Petreaus, etc.
frank - 11 years ago
If you were to imagine trying to find a single, particular grain of sand on a beach, that's what this seems like to me. Or are they using IRS examples such as looking for " Tea Party, or Conservative" in the messages they gather? With the amount of phone traffic that occurs on a day to day basis, this seems like a very far fetched and very costly fishing expidition. How can this possibly work?
John - 11 years ago
It's funny how there are some high profile elected officials who are calling for him to be prosecuted as a traitor who don't seem all that concerned about the gross and widespread violation of privacy that was leaked. If we are going to pursue a spirited prosecution of a whistle blower then we need to be just as spirited in prosecuted elected officials for blatantly trampling the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Of course the Socialist quiet coup d'etat may well render all that moot.
Phil - 11 years ago
This is America , where we reward bad behavior. Lets just give him a book deal, movie deal and a speaking tour. Treason? as Hillary would say "At this point in time what difference does it make."
What about the Wiki-leaks guy? Lets give him the same deal!
PatriotInCT - 11 years ago
I haven't read all details of this case. I'm unsure if the Main Stream Media has reported all of the details. If he only revealed the NSA's collection of phone records of all Americans and an expansion of the Patriot Act reach under the Obama Administration, I don't have a problem with his action. If, on the other hand, he released sensitive information, and jeopardized the security of Americans, at home or abroad, he should be tried in absentia as a traitor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We should compare what Bradley Manning did to what Edward Snowden did. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We should also compare how George W Bush employed The Patriot Act to how Obama is using it, after Obama willingly chose to renew it. I am aware of distinct differences. Sadly, most Americans are not aware that Obama willfully chose to renew The Patriot Act. Those who are unaware of this are often the first to blame George W Bush for the current abuses of The Patriot Act. For this reason, we should be very careful how we limit the application of The Patriot Act in the future, and must renew it despite its current mis-application.
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@ Frank: Imagine the telephone records being used selectively. Yes, it appears all records are collected. However, not all records are reviewed to find something sought. If a terrorist were sought, the search starts with phone calls by known terrorists. His or her calls link him or her to other terrorists, who will then be monitored. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I think the grain of sand analogy is incorrect. It might be something like 'knowing one grain of sand is poisoned or jagged, and thus dangerous, look nearby for other contaminated grains.' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The scary aspect of this collection of all phone records is the opportunity to review records of political opponents. For example, Democrats in control of this data could have reviewed Mark Sanford's phone calls and then investigated the multiple calls he made to his lover in South America. A detective could be sent out to determine there was an affair, and voila! Sanford is exposed. Continuing on in this manner yields scandals involving US Gen. David Petreaus, etc.
If you were to imagine trying to find a single, particular grain of sand on a beach, that's what this seems like to me. Or are they using IRS examples such as looking for " Tea Party, or Conservative" in the messages they gather? With the amount of phone traffic that occurs on a day to day basis, this seems like a very far fetched and very costly fishing expidition. How can this possibly work?
It's funny how there are some high profile elected officials who are calling for him to be prosecuted as a traitor who don't seem all that concerned about the gross and widespread violation of privacy that was leaked. If we are going to pursue a spirited prosecution of a whistle blower then we need to be just as spirited in prosecuted elected officials for blatantly trampling the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Of course the Socialist quiet coup d'etat may well render all that moot.
This is America , where we reward bad behavior. Lets just give him a book deal, movie deal and a speaking tour. Treason? as Hillary would say "At this point in time what difference does it make."
What about the Wiki-leaks guy? Lets give him the same deal!
I haven't read all details of this case. I'm unsure if the Main Stream Media has reported all of the details. If he only revealed the NSA's collection of phone records of all Americans and an expansion of the Patriot Act reach under the Obama Administration, I don't have a problem with his action. If, on the other hand, he released sensitive information, and jeopardized the security of Americans, at home or abroad, he should be tried in absentia as a traitor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We should compare what Bradley Manning did to what Edward Snowden did. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We should also compare how George W Bush employed The Patriot Act to how Obama is using it, after Obama willingly chose to renew it. I am aware of distinct differences. Sadly, most Americans are not aware that Obama willfully chose to renew The Patriot Act. Those who are unaware of this are often the first to blame George W Bush for the current abuses of The Patriot Act. For this reason, we should be very careful how we limit the application of The Patriot Act in the future, and must renew it despite its current mis-application.