"We're not automatically getting privileges merely for being Christian anymore" is not persecution.
"We're not being allowed to violate constitutional law by co-opting government to proselytize our religion with taxpayer money" is not persecution.
"Other people are allowed to live their lives, even if it means violating our religious doctrine" is not persecution.
"What do you mean, other religions or the non-religious have equal access to represent themselves on public property too?" is not persecution.
"I'm forced to follow the same laws as everyone else" is not persecution.
"You're not paying attention to us" is not persecution.
"You're not respecting us" is not persecution.
Being overwhelmingly dominant and representative in every level of government, from school boards, to the Presidency and Congress is not persecution.
The Christians persecute everyone who does not accept their teaching . Well said Jim.
There is persecution alright. But the only persecution I know of is that of the Christian majority over all others . . . even some other Christians . . . like the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists. Yeah, there is Christian Persecution . . . lots of it. Just ask the Mayor of Beebe Arkansas. The Christians persecute anyone who is different.
Actually Hippy my prayer was answered, before I delivered my message to the school board tonight I was struggling with where those who promote the current system belong but there is not much love in that so thank God I am now hoping they come to see his truth. I'm not into debating who is right in there faith I'll just say if those who oppose the living God are correct then we are all good and just go where ever we believe when we die. On the other hand if I'm correct in my faith that there is only one salvation and that comes through Jesus the Christ then I'm good and those who don't believe get to go to hell. I just don't want it to be said that I didn't try to tell every one could. I'm just exercising some free speech here you can take it or leave it..
@Bob Chester. So what you are saying is.... prayer doesn't work? Hardly a ringing endorsement of your cause.
How loosely are you defining persecution? Actual harm, or just the imagined slight of being reminded to play fairly?
First, Christianity was built by persecution. Second, Christians comprise some 80% of our nation's population It would be laughable for such a majority to allow themselves to be persecuted. Quit whining.
There are Christian churches in every corner and evangelists knocking on my door. If anything, I'm the one being "persecuted."
This is like asking if the Klan is being persecuted cause they can't lynch people anymore. Ridiculous.
If you think Christians are being persecuted, because their idea of history is being challanged by proven science, you may need to look up the definition of the word.
Are you telling me that grown ups with careers in jounalism felt this was a serious enough question to post?
How is this even a serious proposal? Who is persecuting christians? In what manner do you feel as though you are being repressed? By not getting to utilize the nation for your religious values? Thats utterly ridiculous, and if think it isnt, then you need to research the foundation of this great nation.
NO, Not one bit. christians aren't being persecuted. I just think people are finally tired of having one persons or one groups religion being forced on them all the darn time. I choose to live my life with morals and showing caring, concern, and respect for all of mankind. I do all of this with out the need of a god or religion or a church.
An open letter to the Mountain Home school board
As I think about public education in this country I expect my feelings are much like Jonah felt towards Nineveh and I want to be here about as much as he wanted to go there. I have had a loose association with the Mountain Home schools for several years. From sending my own children here, to working to help in the formation of the alternative school for those children you were not able to deal with. I worked behind the scenes addressing issues like curriculum that teaches our children there is no God using the false religion of evolution calling it a science. I actively worked with many others in this community supporting a true love waits campaign including data showing that an abstinence program is more effective than the schools position of teaching our children how to fornicate safely, only to sit through a school sponsored program at the Dunbar where I heard one of the speakers jokingly say that motor oil should not be used as a lubricant. I addressed the issue of whether there is a right and wrong with Dr. Britten from the middle school as you were teaching “Quest Skills for Adolescents”, a curriculum that taught there are no absolutes. I have come to this school system many times and before the board asking the question “ Way do you expect respect for authority when you take the ultimate authority out of the equation?”.
Now I have come to the place where as I have grandchildren who will probably be subjected to your world system of education I believe I need to make a decision in how to influence them before you get your hands on them. So you have no confusion on my position. You have abused your authority and I have no respect for it. As a society we are reaping what your world view has sown in our children. As an employer for many years it is becoming more difficult to find employees with a good work ethic let alone life skills and I lay that at the feet of those who were supposed to be educating them.
Even though there was opposition, with the reason being I was scaring people. For many years I have tried to be faithful in praying for this school system. Praying to my God the one who created us and also provided our salvation though his son Jesus . I have prayed many hours for the school board both corporately and for its members individually. I have prayed for the administration both corporately and individually, I have prayed for the teachers both corporately and individually and most importantly I believe we can be prayer protectors as I prayed for the students. This year after you spent 13 years training our children in a world view I literally felt ill as I heard from the podium at graduation a call for a time to pray to whatever gods of this world to send off these graduates. I have come here to night for only one purpose and that is to give this warning to those who are in this system and would call on the name of Christ ”I know your works: you are neither hot or cold. Would that you were either hot or cold! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot or cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.” this is not me speaking but the word of God. This is not a time to go along to get along. As for me praying my prayer now is that I not be like Jonah when Nineveh did repent because he would have been glad to say to Hell with them and for those of you that have no clue what I’m talking about with my Jonah comments all I can say is “ as in the days of Noah”
Be denied the ability to persecute others isn't persecution. You are confusing a war on your religion with not always being able to get what you want.
I would be interested to hear in what forms this persecution is taking place.
If it's along the lines of persecution of non-Christians by Christians throughout history, then I'll be pretty horrified. I mean if Christians are being burned in odd places on the body (and in the body) with instruments designed specifically for that purpose, en masse; if pograms are tearing through Christian communities, burning homes and stealing household items; being shunned and exiled, their books burned, and banned form teaching, then boy, I'll sure have something to say about it.
But if it's something like having to take a manger out of the town square...then I'll probably be a little less upset over it, personally.
Some want to believe that members of the single most powerful and influential religious group in the country, in the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world are beleaguered victims, martyrs being thrown to the lions all over again> This is the group who controls every single governorship and state house in every single one of the 50 states, who claim to have 44 Christian presidents in a row, who have a 98%+ majority in both houses of Congress, and have had a 100% Judeo-Christian Supreme Court since its inception. The last time I checked our local yellow pages, there were 75 Christian churches, zero mosques, zero temples, and zero free thinker, pagan, Wiccan, or other non-Christian houses of worship.
So many of them demand impunity for suppressing the rights of others by dressing it up as their right to do so and squealing intolerance when people suggest it's not. It wasn't until 1967 and a Supreme Court decision that atheists were allowed to hold office and to serve on jury duty in every state. Seven states, INCLUDING ARKANSAS, still have that unenforceable prohibition in their state constitution.
Their real problem is that the waning of the cultural hegemony to which some Christians have come to feel entitled is perceived as an attack. Many of the most loudly trumpeted complaints in this vein are, after all, complaints about the absence of special treatment: no special spot for the Ten Commandments in the courthouse rotunda; no pride of place for Christmas among those happy winter holidays; no exceptions for the Christian charity.
It is pretty well known that there are essentially no atheists in public office because they are unelectable by the Christian majority. When courts block fundamentalist Christians from forcing their religion into public schools and government institutions, religious right leaders cry discrimination and say they're being victimized.
When the scientific community rejects the religious right's pseudo-scientific ideas about human origins, theocrats complain of unfair treatment and hint darkly of conspiracies, again playing the victim card.The religious right's vision is one where an individual's religious faith allows him or her to run roughshod over the rights of others.
The only way to convince those in power that they are actually a minority facing discrimination is to lie, lie, lie, with some occasional distortion and misrepresentation thrown in. I do not doubt that Christians are occasionally harassed for their beliefs. Mocked even. But so are atheists, jews, buddhists and pagans. People are also harrassed for their skin color, their accents, their haircuts and their clothing choices.
This is all day to day stuff that we all need to put up with in one way or another.
My question is, does the harrassment of christians rise to the level of persecution? Is it worse than all those other types of harrassments that I just listed?
Do you think many Christians feel persecuted because some of the Christian-based traditions in this country are changing/dissolving, with some people not wanting traditions based in Christianity, and they(Christians) see this as a slap in the face, a personal attack on religion? There are Christians who are so desperate to insist total stran
I believe Christians are the ones doing the majority of persecution.