S wrote: "Negative opinions concerning tenure can only exist if one is unaware of the actual dynamics within the school system and classroom."
Wow! So someone who IS aware of the "actual dynamics within the school system and classroom" can ONLY have POSITIVE opinions of it? Is that the kind of eliminationist garbage "S" is teaching our kids?
Scotie McBoogerbballs - 10 years ago
Tenure is not simply a "guarantee of due process..." Every employee who is a member of a public or private union has a right to due process -- without the need for tenure -- through the grievance procedure imbedded in every collective bargaining agreement. The primary difference between the due process rights of employees under tenure laws and employees under collectively bargained grievance procedures comes down to time and expense in that an incompetent employee can be terminated under a collectively bargained grievance procedure in a matter of weeks, if not days at relatively little expense, whereas the termination of an incompetent teacher under tenure laws can take years and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. As a result, school districts rarely attempt to terminate tenured teachers who are incompetent, lazy, dishonest, or immoral; rather, they save their limited resources for removing tenured teachers who have used their position to engage in serious criminal behavior and even then, the process can take years and cost the taxpayers a huge amount of money.
(Don’t be too hard on the person at PoJo News who wrote or proofread today’s question. He or she is probably a victim of a government run school system.)
LearnGrammar - 10 years ago
I think whoever typed this copy must have been tenured - or else they would have been fired already for the grammar flub!
fredsox - 10 years ago
I find it incredible that a question dealing with education contains a blatant grammatical error. Good job, PoJo News. Tenure is the most misunderstood and most oft criticized law in the field of education.
S - 10 years ago
Negative opinions concerning tenure can only exist if one is unaware of the actual dynamics within the school system and classroom. And I agree, PJ employees should either learn grammar or at least proofread before printing.
The concept of tenure for teachers came from tenure for college professors. This from Wikipedia: "Academic tenure is primarily intended to guarantee the right to academic freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend time on unfashionable topics."
"Academic freedom" can be desirable in a university, but is completely inappropriate in public schools with a set curriculum. Public school teachers shouldn't be awarded tenure, and they don't need it - they have unions to protect their rights.
felice manzi - 10 years ago
Tenure is the reason schools are failing and the reason government is failing. Many people will not perform without the fear of being fired, not all but a large number. Teachers want tenure and no evaluation, wow what a gig, sign me up.
J - 10 years ago
Shame on the Poughkeepsie Journal and everyone that is buying into this garbage. Tenure is not the problem. There is no connection between tenure and the education children are getting. All tenure is, is a guarantee of due process, which is a right that all Americans have. And I agree with the last post..... it is very embarrassing that this piece of garbage newspaper doesn't even edit what they are posting.
A - 10 years ago
As a teacher, I find it quite embarrassing that the question posted by the Poughkeepsie Journal isn't even grammatically sound.
A - 10 years ago
As a teacher, I find it quite embarrassing that the question posted by the Poughkeepsie Journal isn't even grammatically sound.
S wrote: "Negative opinions concerning tenure can only exist if one is unaware of the actual dynamics within the school system and classroom."
Wow! So someone who IS aware of the "actual dynamics within the school system and classroom" can ONLY have POSITIVE opinions of it? Is that the kind of eliminationist garbage "S" is teaching our kids?
Tenure is not simply a "guarantee of due process..." Every employee who is a member of a public or private union has a right to due process -- without the need for tenure -- through the grievance procedure imbedded in every collective bargaining agreement. The primary difference between the due process rights of employees under tenure laws and employees under collectively bargained grievance procedures comes down to time and expense in that an incompetent employee can be terminated under a collectively bargained grievance procedure in a matter of weeks, if not days at relatively little expense, whereas the termination of an incompetent teacher under tenure laws can take years and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. As a result, school districts rarely attempt to terminate tenured teachers who are incompetent, lazy, dishonest, or immoral; rather, they save their limited resources for removing tenured teachers who have used their position to engage in serious criminal behavior and even then, the process can take years and cost the taxpayers a huge amount of money.
(Don’t be too hard on the person at PoJo News who wrote or proofread today’s question. He or she is probably a victim of a government run school system.)
I think whoever typed this copy must have been tenured - or else they would have been fired already for the grammar flub!
I find it incredible that a question dealing with education contains a blatant grammatical error. Good job, PoJo News. Tenure is the most misunderstood and most oft criticized law in the field of education.
Negative opinions concerning tenure can only exist if one is unaware of the actual dynamics within the school system and classroom. And I agree, PJ employees should either learn grammar or at least proofread before printing.
The concept of tenure for teachers came from tenure for college professors. This from Wikipedia: "Academic tenure is primarily intended to guarantee the right to academic freedom: it protects teachers and researchers when they dissent from prevailing opinion, openly disagree with authorities of any sort, or spend time on unfashionable topics."
"Academic freedom" can be desirable in a university, but is completely inappropriate in public schools with a set curriculum. Public school teachers shouldn't be awarded tenure, and they don't need it - they have unions to protect their rights.
Tenure is the reason schools are failing and the reason government is failing. Many people will not perform without the fear of being fired, not all but a large number. Teachers want tenure and no evaluation, wow what a gig, sign me up.
Shame on the Poughkeepsie Journal and everyone that is buying into this garbage. Tenure is not the problem. There is no connection between tenure and the education children are getting. All tenure is, is a guarantee of due process, which is a right that all Americans have. And I agree with the last post..... it is very embarrassing that this piece of garbage newspaper doesn't even edit what they are posting.
As a teacher, I find it quite embarrassing that the question posted by the Poughkeepsie Journal isn't even grammatically sound.
As a teacher, I find it quite embarrassing that the question posted by the Poughkeepsie Journal isn't even grammatically sound.