I use Eclipse Luna all the time :D
But seriously, Winter Wrap Up is the best.
rusticware - 10 years ago
@Kicks_McGee
You know, you say that and still I find that very hard to believe. Take the time to stop on EQD and mention that MMC is anything but the watershed moment that many zealots of the fandom claim that it is and be prepared to be met with a myriad of reasons as to how wrong you are and how MMC is "the greetest ting evar" because it supposedly closed the chapter on twilights "journey of friendship" (even though we CLEARLY can see that journey is still actually very much ongoing, in fact the entire series' existence HINGES upon this fact) and how her becoming a princess or an alicorn was always intended to happen from the start (even though the shows creator has repeatedly refuted this statement time and again).
And yet here we are when asked to pick hands down the BEST episode of the series, the episode that did the most to drive the series forward, the episode that "changed everything", hell even the episode that merely reflected the characterizations, plot cohesiveness, and great story telling elements the series is best known for, and when given a choice fans picked an episode that had more in common with Dragon Ball Z then actual Pony over the apparently Miraculous Miracle Cure that can do no wrong (in fact leaving it to get dead last)
Yeah if anyone needs to keep reassuring themselves of any line of thought its the continued myth among this fandom that MMC was a "good" episode "beloved" by the fandom, cause as this poll is clearly showing when given a choice, Pony Ball Z, PP, Party of One, Luna Eclipsed, WW, and Canterlot Wedding, have all done more to leave an impression on folks then that episode, that is defended to the death by some, ever could.
Just an Annon - 10 years ago
It's weird... This thread is literally the only thing I can post on. If I try commenting on anywhere else in EQD, the comment never shows up, as if it was never made. I've tried this on several other platforms with the same thing happening. It's weird that it's happening now, since I come to this site, like, A LOT. Any explanation?
anon - 10 years ago
Get reckt, Luna!
Declan McNatt - 10 years ago
@Just an Annon
Make a YouTube channel & complain about Twilight's Kingdom some more.
Just an Annon - 10 years ago
What will EternalNothingess do with his life one this poll is over?
Matt - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
Nigga you still goin on about this! It's been like a month man just give it up! shut the fuck up already no one gives a shit
Roderick - 10 years ago
I see we haven't overcome the "last episode is the best episode" mentality.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@ShadowRose Not to mention, another thing:
Twilight did not win the fight on her own, but ended it in a draw. So Tirek held all of Twilight's friends hostage for her alicorn magic, and she willingly gave it up to save them. This resulted in Discord giving Twilight her final key, allowing her and her friends to unlock the Rainbow Power, using it to love and tolerate the s*** out of Tirek and restore everypony's magic. It also earned her a new castle to replace what used to be her library, complete with thrones for all of her friends.
All of this was also backed up by five other key episodes before it. They gave each of the Mane Five meaningful character-development, where they had to stay true to their Elements of Harmony while teaching somepony else about their Elements, earning them keys as a result.
It's just a shame that none of the above is ever going to be remembered from the S4 finale. It's ALWAYS going to be that bloated fight, and the way Twilight solo'd Tirek while her friends were victimized and disempowered. Never mind the fact that the show is called "FRIENDSHIP is Magic". It's always going to be how much of a bad-ass Twilight was, even if it's at the expense of her own friends, who had their own character-arcs spread not only through five key episodes, but also multitudes of other self-contained slice-of-life stories.
SwordmasterAyra - 10 years ago
Ugh, the comments section is just another pointless debate...
Why is Luna Eclipsed doing here?
Little Snowflakes - 10 years ago
Huh, no Rarity episode, eh? Well whatever, let's vote for the second best...
Pinkie Pride.
Walrus - 10 years ago
Wow. Now is official.
The only reason why Luna keeps winning the pools is because someguy keeps spamming them with multiple votes.
MLP Fan - 10 years ago
I voted Luna Eclipse...Luna is best Pony/Princess :3
ShadowRose - 10 years ago
@Eternalnothingness
Like I said, Twilight was not the hero JUST BECAUSE she was an alicorn. She is the bearer of the ELEMENT OF MAGIC. She was the ONLY VESSEL who could SAFELY receive all magic. Celestia, arguably the strongest of the princesses, could likely not have handled it because her expertise lies in solar magic, not magic in general. She MIGHT have been able to do it in the past, when she was the bearer. I bet Twilight could have done the same if she were still a unicorn. She's THAT powerfully connected to the elements.
Bloomix - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
Like i give a shit what you think, I LIKE MLP FIM AND DBZ, DEAL WITH IT, FUCK FACE!!!
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Bloomix
Yeah, once again, disregard and even murder Twilight's friends and the power of friendship, just for that stupid, bloated DBZ fight!
Again, DBZ was racist, because saiyans were the ultimate solutions to everything, while non-saiyan Z-warriors were disposable and useless. Same for Twilight's Kingdom; Twilight's friends were disposed of on the account of their species, while Twilight was the ultimate solution to everything because of HER species!
Bloomix - 10 years ago
I choose Twilights kingdom, it could have been better, because the first part was abit boring but has a great song, and the second part was even better because of the Twilight vs Tirek battle and because of Discords character development, but still the other stuff could have been better or done differently.
Julia Roberts - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
Wow you really like to come here often, i guess you have nothing better to do, like me. xD
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Badly Drawn Turtle
Well, again, here's the thing. The castle itself gave Twilight's friends thrones of their very own, so that they could discuss with Twilight on how to spread the magic of friendship all across Equestria. It restored relevancy to the Mane Five, right after they had all their character-development -- given to them by their own key episodes -- stripped apart by Tirek, as an excuse to demonstrate how powerful and unstoppable he was. Sure, Twilight's library was destroyed, and people have every right to mourn its loss. But the castle wasn't really that bad to begin with, most especially since, again, it gave the Mane Five their own thrones alongside Twilight Sparkle.
But no one cared about the castle, or the Rainbow Power, or the five key episodes. It's always going to be the way the finale disempowered and victimized Twilight's friends, just so that we could see a fight that demonstrated a heavy power gap between Twilight and her friends. Again, DBZ: Disempowering, victimizing, and disposing of every non-saiyan Z-warrior, just so that the saiyans like Goku, Vegeta, and their sons can save the day on the account of their species and power levels.
Badly Drawn Turtle - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
If it helps, a lot of the initial hate for Twilight's castle wasn't just because it was a marketing stunt. Much of it was because the fandom was mourning the loss of the Golden Oaks Library, the metaphorical heart of Ponyville and the most recognized place in the show (Not to mention it was a living tree and a library... at the same time!). Many of them (okay, I admit it, us) were just lashing out at our beloved Treebrary's replacement. I'm sure that as more of the castle is shown in Season 5, people will warm up to it.
As for the Rainbow Power: eh, it depends on what they do with it. If it's discarded and basically never mentioned again, then I reserve the right to complain. But at this point, I have faith in the MLP:FiM team to make the very best lemonade out of what they have.
Remember, it wasn't the writers nor the show itself that lauded the fight-scene as the end-all of the season. That was, and remains, only the opinion of individual fans, and I hope it doesn't ruin your own enjoyment of the show to know that some other people don't get as much out of it as you do.
(By the way, I myself, liked basically every episode in Season 5, including the key episodes. {Wait a second... Key episodes. The episodes central to the season's story arc, where they get magical keys...
Don't mind me, I'm just basking in the glory of the pun.}
Anyway, the only real gripes I have with the key-episodes are the characterization of Spitfire and the moment in Pinkie's Pride when they use two live clips (I have a personal, deep loathing for mixing real-world pictures or videos into animated shows). But neither of these are enough to condemn the respective episodes for me; although I have episodes I liked more in the season (quartet singing, character development for Sweetie Belle), I wouldn't say any of the key episodes (Hahaha...) were bad. My top two? Fluttershy' and AJ's.)
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
I just wish the five key episodes, even Pinkie Pride (which is on that list) would receive just as much love and attention as Twilight's Kingdom. They all gave the Mane Five meaningful character-development and relevancy to the story, before the finale disposed of that character-development to make way for Twilight's DBZ-style power-levels.
Unfortunately, they're given mixed receptions galore. Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash were being manipulated by the breezies and Wonderbolts, respectively. Applejack's key episode was considered average by most. And, the only good ones were Rarity Takes Manehattan and Pinkie Pride, and even then, two-out-of-five is too low. Meanwhile, Twilight's Kingdom is receiving tons of praise for its fight scene, despite its blatant display of a heavy power imbalance between Twilight Sparkle and her friends. I mean, I get that the fight was supposed to demonstrate that only friendship could save the day, not alicorn magic. But it still doesn't excuse the fact that people are praising that episode up and down JUST for its fight scene, to the near exclusion of the five key episodes, the Rainbow Power, and Rainbow Castle.
Kicks_McGee - 10 years ago
@rusticwware: You're making up a headcanon there. Just because MMC is on the bottom doesn't mean people didn't like the episode. They simply like Twilight's Kingdom better. You only get 1 vote, and if you give a fan (especially a fan of Princess Twilight) a choice between MMC and Twilight's Kingdom, it's pretty obvious which one will win out. It doesn't mean MMC won a spot on this list "just because of controversy." But you can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
NeliZeliTam - 10 years ago
I hate all the episodes to choose from so much I don't even know which to vote. My votes were wasted on the previous polls and felt like I should never vote anymore, but in addition I don't even know which sucky episode is better than the other sucky ones.
Vivita - 10 years ago
What George Clarence said. Nuff said.
Anonymous - 10 years ago
S4 and S2 episodes are on the top, the majority wins. Your precious S1 that you call the "only good one season" has been defeated. Make yourself a reason of that Lauren Faust minions.
And don't try to say "We're being realist" when you said that the S1 was the only good one because that woman, because you're not being realist, you're being assholes.
George Clarence - 10 years ago
Bronies have a short memory. I've noticed they tend to usually pick the last episode they saw as best.
Badly Drawn Turtle - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
Two points left for me to make:
A: Notice that Sethisto only talked about "Twilight's Kingdom" for a single paragraph. This relates to one of the previous comments directed at you, where the commenter pointed out that regardless of how much the fight scene contributed to the episode, it was so out of the ordinary that it is an easy moment to reference. Seth wasn't trying to write a full-fledged essay on the qualifications of the episode; he was only writing a sentence or two, so he couldn't realy go into analysis mode at all. Also, Seth doesn't speak for the community on this, any more than he speaks for the community for his obsession with Trixie. Yes, the episode won the poll, but Seth wasn't the sole voter, and different people like things for different reasons; Seth's reason for liking the episode (even if that is really his only reason for liking it, see first few sentences above) doesn't necessarily reflect the reasons that other people voted for it.
*Note 1: See my previous comment regarding how liking the fight scene and liking the friendship message at the end are not mutually exclusive as you seem to think they are.
**Note 2: We don't even know if Sethisto voted for the episode, actually. As the administrator of the website, he would likely strive to present the results of the episode poll positively even if he secretly hated the episode that won.
B: There's something you keep repeating that I don't quite understand. How does someone else's opinion of an episode affect your own enjoyment of it? Because (cue the lecture on how your opinions are the only ones that should matter to you). Also (cue the lecture on how people are allowed to have different opinions, and it's not right or wrong to think differently). But really, (cue sympathetic lament on how ignoring other people's opinions is hard for everyone) (follow with consolation that if something is enjoyable to you, if you do manage to ignore the people you don't agree with the effort is worth it).
Bonus C: You still seem to be misunderstanding the point of that fight scene. I can safely say that nobody involved in producing the show intended what you think they did, and that the point of the episode was, indeed, the defeat of Tirek by the Orbital Friendship Cannon.
@rusticwware I can't say there weren't any people who voted for MMC because of the controversy, but I can say that I liked the episode for real. You also have to take into account that very few of the Season 3 episodes were standouts, so given that it's an around average episode, it was on a level playing field when it got voted into the final poll. And it is now facing off against the most loved episodes of the show (well, a good number of them) so all we can say about it from it being last on the poll is that it isn't the best of the best. It could still be considered by many people voting to be a really good episode, but one or more of the other options are better.
rusticwware - 10 years ago
Eh, personally I feel that, while a good episode, TK part 2 pales in comparison to some of the other episodes on this list, (Party of One, PP, Winter Wrap Up) but seeing MMC at the bottom of this list makes up for it. It makes you wonder how many people voted for it based on controversy alone? If it truly was the windfall episode people claim it to be for TS (and NOT the more deserving TK) it'd be higher on this list....but it's not, and I'm ok with this because MMC isn't as good as everyone claims it is. People just know its highly contentious and love to stir the pot.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Badly Drawn Turtle Also, pay close attention to this: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2014/10/twilights-kingdom-takes-round-7-final.html
Notice how Sethisto was praising the finale JUST for its bloated fight scene, but completely disregarded the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle. That article implied that he (and possibly other bronies like him) don't seem to care about friendship anymore, that this one fight scene will be the only thing that will be remembered in MLP from this point on. They didn't care that friendship saved the day like always, or that Twilight and her friends received a new palace to replace the Golden Oaks Library. Instead, it's that one fight scene, where Twilight solos a giant monster while demonstrating to the audience how useless and disposable her friends were compared to her.
I want to enjoy the finale just for the way friendship saved the day, and I also want to just enjoy the five key episodes. But then you have tons of people having so many mixed opinions about the key episodes, and the way they despise the designs to the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle, and how the former bordered on Deus Ex Machina. Meanwhile, these same people are PRAISING the fight scene for the way it helped the show transcend its own genre in the stupidest, most pandering and superficial fashion imaginable.
In short, the bronies, and even analysts like Tommy Oliver/Brony Curious, are all preventing from liking the season-long story-arc as a whole, because of their complete and utter disregard for the show's friendship themes exchanged for the love for that stupid, bloated fight scene.
Winter dragon - 10 years ago
Oh my.
It's only been a day and 3/4 of the comments are really just pointless arguments
party of one for me.
Any wayI love the character shown in Pinkie pie. It's nice to have those episodes that remind us that pinkie's character is actually quite interesting toand that she has really weaknesses.
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@Emptybee Yeah, I also didn't vote for it because it was split into parts, but I highly doubt putting them both together would more than double the votes for Return of Harmony, especially since Canterlot Wedding and Twilight's Kingdom had no problem having their part 2s win on their own
Emptybee - 10 years ago
@Discord Sparkle
But that assumes it's merely additive - which isn't necessarily the case.
Alone part one and two aren't nearly as effective as both are together. Which is why I didn't vote for either, and I doubt I'm alone in that.
derpyshan - 10 years ago
Winter Wrap Up is winning MMC
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@Emptybee Not really. Both parts combined only had 14% of the vote, not even half what Luna Eclipsed had
Emptybee - 10 years ago
I find it rather annoying that "A Canterlot Wedding" and "Twilight's Kingdom" are now listed in their entirely, when before we had to vote on part one or part two. If we'd been voting on two-parters as single episodes all along "Return of Harmony" would likely have made the final cut.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Badly Drawn Turtle Not to mention, the Mane Five went through their own key episodes. They overcame conflicts based after their Elements of Harmony, and taught somepony else about their Elements, earning them keys as a result.
It's just a shame that they have such a mixed, underrated reception, both individually and together. Same for the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle.
Badly Drawn Turtle - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
Really? You're still going on about this? I'm going to take the approach of assuming that you are not a troll, but rather a (relatively) young fan who is completely missing the point of the fight scene in the episode. Let me state it again (a few others have pointed this out already, but you seem to have missed it): The fight scene did not promote Twilight's epicness as a solution to the problem of Tirek; it showed how even a Quadruple-Alicorn Punch-Holes-in-Mountains-Level Badass-Twilight couldn't defeat Tirek, while a No-Magic-of-Her-Own Drained-by-Tirek-Twilight standing with her friends could.
The point of the fight scene wasn't to discard friendship; it was to show that friendship could do what even epic badassary couldn't. If you can't see that, I'm not sure how to help you.
Plot-wise, the fight scene represents not the part of the story where the hero saves the day, but the part where the hero shows off their skills to highlight how intense the conflict is. It wasn't to show off Twilight's power; it was to show off Tirek's power and make the true climax (the part with the now-typical rainbow-blast through the powers they obtained together from the Harmony Tree) all the more epic.
There's also the part where the fight scene was awesome. It's not a choice between liking friendship and liking good fight scenes, you know. Some of us enjoy both.
*Note: You keep repeating that the Main Six (minus Twilight) were de-powered to highlight by contrast Twilight's magical badassary. On the contrary, Twilight is de-powered (by Tirek, just like her friends) to highlight by contrast the Main Six's collective badassery with the Rainbow Power. People keep arguing with you not because you have an unpopular opinion, but because you are fundamentally misunderstanding the plot-devices used in the episode.
/And, end. If you are a troll, at least I can be satisfied that I gave it my best.
Eh, this poll doesn't have my favorite episode in it. (I might have voted for "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils" for overall best episode, but since that isn't a choice...) I guess I'll go with "A Canterlot Wedding". Yes, Changelings were awesome, and to this date one of the greatest single contributions to the show's lore; but I also like it for the story. Putting Twilight and Cadance in the same cave in the beginning of Part 2 could be seen as lazy writing, but the rest of it was excellent. Especially the song "This Day Aria", which is still up there as one of the best of the show.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Medicine Cat "In the spirit of friendship"...
Yeah, which was what Twilight's Kingdom lacked with that bloated, stupid fight scene and the disposing and disempowering of the Mane Five.
Medicine Cat - 10 years ago
I think it is obvious at this point that dealing with a seriously disturbed individual here. I think it would display the best in all of us if we simply leave them alone, do not encourage them, and hope in the spirit of friendship that they will go and seek the help that they so clearly need.
Julia Roberts - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
Oh my gosh! you are so pathetic! i can't believe, how hard you are trying to force your opinion on others, if you want to kill yourself go ahead, you are all talk, but no action. ;)
DarkPillWarrior - 10 years ago
Heh, I just read all of the comments and I have to say... Watching the battle of words between people was entertaining at first but just kind of sad in the end. Anyway my thoughts are I liked most of the episodes listed but I knew that Twilight's Kingdom would probably win. I actually kind of liked it as well. I mean despite all of the non-mlp battle scene rampage... it was kind of enjoyable.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
And you know, it almost feels depressing that I'm the only one who either liked or at least enjoyed the five key episodes, but deeply despised the S4 finale for its blatant disregard for Twilight's friends, exchanged for Twilight becoming an overpowered Super Saiyan.
Really, people would pick anything based on how recent it was. They'd also give up on story and character-development altogether just to emphasize bloated, apocalyptic action, even if it's at the expense of the hero's friends and their character-development. I mean, what the Hell is this? The prehistoric era?
Medicine Cat - 10 years ago
The winner clearly is, "Winter Wrap Up", partly because of the song, but mainly due to the dazzling display of Twilight's totally non-magical organizational skills.
My only fear is that it might push some vulnerable child to go into management consulting.
Just an Annon - 10 years ago
Lol, over 50% of the comments here are the same person saying essentially the same thing. But he words it differently every time, so it's not just copy/pasting. Now that's dedicated trolling!
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
I just wish the five key episodes, even Pinkie Pride (which is also on the list) were considered just as much as Twilight's Kingdom. Again, the Mane Five resolved conflicts based on their Elements of Harmony, and taught somepony else about their Elements in-exchange for keys. It's just a shame that, up until the finale's ending, their efforts were rendered meaningless, both by Tirek as well as the will of Meghan McCarthy, just to set up a bloated, DBZ-style fight scene.
I get that the execution was lacking in a few of the key episodes, like Leap of Faith, Rainbow Falls, and Breezies. But those three episodes are either underrated or are receiving too much hate. Plus, they at least gave Applejack, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy, respectively, their own moments of character-development and story-arc relevancy, without victimizing or disposing of them (and Rarity and Pinkie Pie) as an excuse to increase the stakes and turn Twilight into a Super Saiyan bad-ass.
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness Nothing. It has to do with Sethisto being a unicorn supremacist.
Rasmustom - 10 years ago
Well Bats! isn't in the list soo... I'm gonna go with Twily's kingdom.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Discord Sparkle What does that have to do with that bloated Twilight/Tirek fight, and the constant appraisal for it at the expense of the Mane Five, their own key episodes, and the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle?
Tokensdorf - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness, in other words, it is impossible for us to come to an agreement and none of us are able to change the view or opinion of the other, so what do you say to just call it a day and stop the discussion?
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@Eternalnothingness I still haven't forgiven him for having Trixie take over the first Applejack banner >:I
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Discord Sparkle "Unicorn supremacist"? I never really knew Sethisto was like that all, myself.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Tokensdorf And that fight scene deliberately murdered everything that made My Little Pony good in the first place, just as Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic '06, and Sonic Unleashed murdered everything that made Sonic the Hedgehog a household name as well, including the signature speed.
Again, the five key episodes were better. They were slice-of-life stories that didn't resort to disempowering, victimizing, and disposing of the Mane Five, just to turn Twilight into a superficial, pandering bad-ass on the level of Goku, Vegeta, and Shadow the Hedgehog. Instead, they gave the five mares meaningful character-development and relevancy to the season-long story-arc, by making them resolve conflicts based on their Elements of Harmony, and teaching somepony else about their Elements in-exchange for keys.
The finale, on the other hand, was terrible FOR its fight scene, and the deliberate stripping of the Mane Five's character-development given to them by their own key episodes. In fact, the one person who frustrated me the most regarding those episodes was Brony Curious, aka Tommy Oliver. He outright criticized Breezies, Rainbow Falls, and Leap of Faith, while praising Rarity Takes Manehattan and Pinkie Pride, and then went on to say "I like Twilight's fight with Tirek because of how bad-ass it was", while inadvertently disregarded Twilight's friends and their own key episodes, to the point that he WANTED the Mane Five to be murdered -- a la every non-saiyan Z-warrior -- in-exchange for Twilight's over-empowerment -- a la the saiyans.
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness Everyone already knows Sethisto is a unicorn supremacist, that's nothing new.
Tokensdorf - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness. We talk about and remember the fight scene because it were unexpected and quite different from what MLP has done before. We still remember the other key episodes, some of them are among my personal favorite episodes and I know it is the same for many others. And we remember Twilight's Kingdom from the fight scene because it was so different and it is something to seperate the episode from others, as it has been before, Pinkie Pride is, as an example, called for the episode with Weird Al, there are of course those who call the episode for Pinkie's key episode, but it is the same with Twilight's Kingdom, it is not because it was the best thing about the episode, the only good thing about the series or anything like that, it is just because it is so different from other episodes that it makes it easier to recognise and talk about.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Tokensdorf Here's an article describing why Twilight's Kingdom Part 2 won the previous poll: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2014/10/twilights-kingdom-takes-round-7-final.html
Here, the admins of that website constantly make it sound like that the fight scene will always be the only thing anyone will ever remember the S4 finale for, to the point that every other aspect of not only the finale, but also the season-long story-arc as a whole, are all rendered meaningless. Again, they disregard the Mane Five's key episodes, and the way they had to work for their keys, just as an excuse to talk about how bad-ass and bloated in-terms of power Twilight was, like it'll be the only thing that will ever make MLP memorable, even though it was overhyped to death and demonstrated a stupid power and racial imbalance between Twilight and her friends.
Tokensdorf - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness. I am not a fan of Dragon Ball either, but I'll say, I quite enjoyed Twilight's Kingdom, for various reasons.
I'll keep this to just your problem with the episode(s), the fight sequence. Now remember, I am not trying to tell you that your opinion and viewpoint is wrong or if you should try and change it, but I do believe that you should try and accept that others see things (in this case Twilight's Kingdom) differenty, and not try to voice your opnion to the point where it feels like you are forcing it unto us.
As I mentioned before, am not a fan of Dragon Ball, again, for various reasons, and I can see how you could find it a bit racist, it definitely only allows the saiyans to save the day. But Twilight's Kingdom, I see that as Dragon Ball done right (not to offend any Dragon Ball fans, I simply mean to fit into the world, lore and general story elements of MLP). Let me explain. It wasn't the battle that solved everything, but it was instead her friendship, Twilight even got the choice to keep fighting or to give up her power in case she couldn't beat Tirek, she didn't even take that long to think about it, and she didn't only have the power of one Alicorn, but the power of four, and I do believe that any other pony would be mighty powerful with the power of four of them, no matter the race, and I don't think the others were victimized, mostly because they weren't shown to be weaker than Twilight but were instead betrayed by Discord rather than defeated by Tirek. I think that the battle scene were a nice touch to the episode, for it doesn't just show us a fight to end story, but instead shows us that Twilight, even with the magical ability of four Alicorns, can't beat Tirek and instead risks everything as she relies on her friendship and friends to help her save the day, which they end up doing, which could be interpreted as a way of saying that you can't always win, even if you are as powerful as Goku from Dragon Ball, but the combined power of you and your friends instead, can be the thing that saves the day in the end.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Goatmeal Besides, the five key episodes were vastly superior to Twilight's Kingdom, on the account of them being slice-of-life stories revolving around the Mane Five resolving conflicts based on their Elements of Harmony, and teaching somepony else about their Elements. They did not resort to victimizing, disempowering, and disposing the Mane Five, and instead gave them meaningful character-development, which unfortunately would be callously and casually discarded in the finale, in-exchange for Twilight's godlike Super Saiyan powers.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Goatmeal I'm sorry, but "Saiyan Twilight" is just a demonstration of a heavy power gap between Twilight and her friends.
Besides, DBZ sucks. It regularly discards every Z-warrior who wasn't a saiyan, and just makes the saiyans like Goku, Vegeta, and their three sons the ultimate saviors of the universe on the account of their species. In other words, it was unintentionally, yet blatantly promoting racial inequality between saiyans and non-saiyans.
And that's the same problem with Twilight's Kingdom. Twilight is the only solution to the Tirek problem on the account of her being an alicorn with three other alicorns' magic, and that her friends were useless and disposable on the account of them NOT being alicorns at all. As a result, Meghan McCarthy also promoted racism and racial inequality through the heavy power gap between Twilight and all of her friends.
Winter dragon - 10 years ago
@Eternal nothingness
Sorry I got you name wrong
Winer dragon - 10 years ago
@ eternal nothing's.
My dear sure. This is becoming rather repetitive. Now I do agree that Twilight's Kingdom was not the greatest episode ever but their aare still quality that I enjoy about it. And no the fight scene is not one of them. What I love about that episode is Discords development. Surely I think I freaked my friend out the first time we watched it with how I loved discord. The development was amazing and his character was a lot more complete at the end.
Honestly I didn't really care about the fight scene. I thought it was okay, but not really nesasary. You may think that everyone but you is absolutely in love and crazy over fighting and cares only about how many explosions are in each episode, but your not. Just please be reshave a good day sir.ectful of those around you and their opinions. Remember we are all just here to have fun. Have a good day sir :)
Winter dragon - 10 years ago
Could anyone explain why party of one is not inn the lead? And also why there is no rainbow dash or rarity ones? :)
Orca - 10 years ago
Thank-you sincerely, Discord Sparkle!
Goatmeal - 10 years ago
So hard to choose, but Saiyan Twilight combined with the tying together of a season-long story arc is just impossible to say no to. More story arcs!
PinkieBrony - 10 years ago
My favorite out of these episodes is definitely Pinkie Pride, but all these episodes were great. :D
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@Matt Because of the Luna fanboys that love a mediocre episode just because Luna's the focus. I might like it more if Pinkie weren't just utterly terrible in it, worse than she usually is
Matt - 10 years ago
It baffles me that Luna Eclipsed is up here. Why couldn't it have been Lesson Zero or Return of Harmony? They were much better episodes, and while Luna Eclipsed was still really good, it feels weird to compare it to these others in the poll.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
I'm a dumb Idiote and I should Kill myself.
MichaelTS - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness
"to turn it into DBZ from this point on!"
Yes, because one single fucking fight scene draws the path for the entire future of My Little Pony.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Bill Cipher Don't think you can ignore me. You LOVE Twilight's Kingdom just for its fight scene. You didn't care that the Mane Five went through their own key episodes, or that they were disempowered and victimized. Story and character-development mean nothing to you compared to watching MLP turn into Dragon Ball Z, possibly for the rest of the entire series!
You bronies MURDERED My Little Pony with your love for that bloated fight scene. Meghan McCarthy, too, for the way she disregarded the show's friendship themes to turn it into DBZ from this point on!
MichaelTS - 10 years ago
OH GREAT THE SEASON FINALE IS WINNING
GREEAAT
Bill Cipher - 10 years ago
@Discord Sparkle If I were you I would just stop replying To Him. That Guy Got Really Annoying In the Last Comment Thred. Maybe If we Ignore Him Long Enough he will go away. Anyway Gonna re- watch Twilights Kingdom now by.
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
@Discord Sparkle Well I hate that episode, because that fight scene demonstrated a heavy power imbalance between Twilight and her friends, the same way DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach dispose of their own supporting characters just to make it clear that only the heroes (and Vegeta, Sasuke, and the Gotei 13) are the only ones who can save the day on the account of their power levels.
You liked that episode because of the way it disempowered and victimized Twilight's friends, in-exchange for turning Twilight Sparkle into a Super Saiyan bad-ass. You'd disregard the show's core friendship themes, just to see it turn into DBZ. I mean, remember Shadow the Hedgehog? Sonic '06? Sonic Unleashed? Those three games outright abandoned Sonic's core speed to turn the franchise into something it's not. If you have too much of a problem with the way Sonic jumped the shark on a regular basis, why do you have NO problem at all with the way that fight scene murdered My Little Pony in a similar fashion?
Twilight's Kingdom, hooves down. I'm OK with this.
Anon - 10 years ago
I won't Even Bother Reading this Comment Thread because I know A Certain Anoying Person **Caught** EternalNothingnes **Caught** Is Gonna Be Here Attacking Everyone
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
@EternalNothingness I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond to you when what you just said made it very clear that you didn't even watch the episode, but yeah. It seems people that actually did watch it really liked it
EternalNothingness - 10 years ago
So, Twilight's Kingdom won the last round, and is currently winning this poll right now...
Yeah, never mind the fact that the Mane Five earned their keys in their own episodes. Let's disempower, victimize, and even MURDER Twilight's friends, just so that we could have a Super Saiyan bad-ass alicorn who would disregard her own friends for godlike, unlimited power.
Just an Annon - 10 years ago
Btw everyone, take cover. We've probably got a Category 5 firestorm headed directly this way. The comments on the last poll were baaaaaaaaad because of whiny people who were upset that Twilight's Kingdom was winning. And now, it's beating Luna! Imagine what it's gonna be like when the Luna fanboys find out!
Dynamo Dazzle - 10 years ago
@Just an Annon: You forget that Luna sang for the first time in Twilight's Kingdom
Discord Sparkle - 10 years ago
Since it isn't stated to be part two only, I voted Twilight's Kingdom. If it had been just part 2, I'd have voted Pinkie Pride
Just an Annon - 10 years ago
Even Luna's overpopularity shall not defeat Twilight's Kingdom!
I use Eclipse Luna all the time :D
But seriously, Winter Wrap Up is the best.
@Kicks_McGee
You know, you say that and still I find that very hard to believe. Take the time to stop on EQD and mention that MMC is anything but the watershed moment that many zealots of the fandom claim that it is and be prepared to be met with a myriad of reasons as to how wrong you are and how MMC is "the greetest ting evar" because it supposedly closed the chapter on twilights "journey of friendship" (even though we CLEARLY can see that journey is still actually very much ongoing, in fact the entire series' existence HINGES upon this fact) and how her becoming a princess or an alicorn was always intended to happen from the start (even though the shows creator has repeatedly refuted this statement time and again).
And yet here we are when asked to pick hands down the BEST episode of the series, the episode that did the most to drive the series forward, the episode that "changed everything", hell even the episode that merely reflected the characterizations, plot cohesiveness, and great story telling elements the series is best known for, and when given a choice fans picked an episode that had more in common with Dragon Ball Z then actual Pony over the apparently Miraculous Miracle Cure that can do no wrong (in fact leaving it to get dead last)
Yeah if anyone needs to keep reassuring themselves of any line of thought its the continued myth among this fandom that MMC was a "good" episode "beloved" by the fandom, cause as this poll is clearly showing when given a choice, Pony Ball Z, PP, Party of One, Luna Eclipsed, WW, and Canterlot Wedding, have all done more to leave an impression on folks then that episode, that is defended to the death by some, ever could.
It's weird... This thread is literally the only thing I can post on. If I try commenting on anywhere else in EQD, the comment never shows up, as if it was never made. I've tried this on several other platforms with the same thing happening. It's weird that it's happening now, since I come to this site, like, A LOT. Any explanation?
Get reckt, Luna!
@Just an Annon
Make a YouTube channel & complain about Twilight's Kingdom some more.
What will EternalNothingess do with his life one this poll is over?
@EternalNothingness
Nigga you still goin on about this! It's been like a month man just give it up! shut the fuck up already no one gives a shit
I see we haven't overcome the "last episode is the best episode" mentality.
@ShadowRose Not to mention, another thing:
Twilight did not win the fight on her own, but ended it in a draw. So Tirek held all of Twilight's friends hostage for her alicorn magic, and she willingly gave it up to save them. This resulted in Discord giving Twilight her final key, allowing her and her friends to unlock the Rainbow Power, using it to love and tolerate the s*** out of Tirek and restore everypony's magic. It also earned her a new castle to replace what used to be her library, complete with thrones for all of her friends.
All of this was also backed up by five other key episodes before it. They gave each of the Mane Five meaningful character-development, where they had to stay true to their Elements of Harmony while teaching somepony else about their Elements, earning them keys as a result.
It's just a shame that none of the above is ever going to be remembered from the S4 finale. It's ALWAYS going to be that bloated fight, and the way Twilight solo'd Tirek while her friends were victimized and disempowered. Never mind the fact that the show is called "FRIENDSHIP is Magic". It's always going to be how much of a bad-ass Twilight was, even if it's at the expense of her own friends, who had their own character-arcs spread not only through five key episodes, but also multitudes of other self-contained slice-of-life stories.
Ugh, the comments section is just another pointless debate...
Why is Luna Eclipsed doing here?
Huh, no Rarity episode, eh? Well whatever, let's vote for the second best...
Pinkie Pride.
Wow. Now is official.
The only reason why Luna keeps winning the pools is because someguy keeps spamming them with multiple votes.
I voted Luna Eclipse...Luna is best Pony/Princess :3
@Eternalnothingness
Like I said, Twilight was not the hero JUST BECAUSE she was an alicorn. She is the bearer of the ELEMENT OF MAGIC. She was the ONLY VESSEL who could SAFELY receive all magic. Celestia, arguably the strongest of the princesses, could likely not have handled it because her expertise lies in solar magic, not magic in general. She MIGHT have been able to do it in the past, when she was the bearer. I bet Twilight could have done the same if she were still a unicorn. She's THAT powerfully connected to the elements.
@EternalNothingness
Like i give a shit what you think, I LIKE MLP FIM AND DBZ, DEAL WITH IT, FUCK FACE!!!
@Bloomix
Yeah, once again, disregard and even murder Twilight's friends and the power of friendship, just for that stupid, bloated DBZ fight!
Again, DBZ was racist, because saiyans were the ultimate solutions to everything, while non-saiyan Z-warriors were disposable and useless. Same for Twilight's Kingdom; Twilight's friends were disposed of on the account of their species, while Twilight was the ultimate solution to everything because of HER species!
I choose Twilights kingdom, it could have been better, because the first part was abit boring but has a great song, and the second part was even better because of the Twilight vs Tirek battle and because of Discords character development, but still the other stuff could have been better or done differently.
@EternalNothingness
Wow you really like to come here often, i guess you have nothing better to do, like me. xD
@Badly Drawn Turtle
Well, again, here's the thing. The castle itself gave Twilight's friends thrones of their very own, so that they could discuss with Twilight on how to spread the magic of friendship all across Equestria. It restored relevancy to the Mane Five, right after they had all their character-development -- given to them by their own key episodes -- stripped apart by Tirek, as an excuse to demonstrate how powerful and unstoppable he was. Sure, Twilight's library was destroyed, and people have every right to mourn its loss. But the castle wasn't really that bad to begin with, most especially since, again, it gave the Mane Five their own thrones alongside Twilight Sparkle.
But no one cared about the castle, or the Rainbow Power, or the five key episodes. It's always going to be the way the finale disempowered and victimized Twilight's friends, just so that we could see a fight that demonstrated a heavy power gap between Twilight and her friends. Again, DBZ: Disempowering, victimizing, and disposing of every non-saiyan Z-warrior, just so that the saiyans like Goku, Vegeta, and their sons can save the day on the account of their species and power levels.
@EternalNothingness
If it helps, a lot of the initial hate for Twilight's castle wasn't just because it was a marketing stunt. Much of it was because the fandom was mourning the loss of the Golden Oaks Library, the metaphorical heart of Ponyville and the most recognized place in the show (Not to mention it was a living tree and a library... at the same time!). Many of them (okay, I admit it, us) were just lashing out at our beloved Treebrary's replacement. I'm sure that as more of the castle is shown in Season 5, people will warm up to it.
As for the Rainbow Power: eh, it depends on what they do with it. If it's discarded and basically never mentioned again, then I reserve the right to complain. But at this point, I have faith in the MLP:FiM team to make the very best lemonade out of what they have.
Remember, it wasn't the writers nor the show itself that lauded the fight-scene as the end-all of the season. That was, and remains, only the opinion of individual fans, and I hope it doesn't ruin your own enjoyment of the show to know that some other people don't get as much out of it as you do.
(By the way, I myself, liked basically every episode in Season 5, including the key episodes. {Wait a second... Key episodes. The episodes central to the season's story arc, where they get magical keys...
Don't mind me, I'm just basking in the glory of the pun.}
Anyway, the only real gripes I have with the key-episodes are the characterization of Spitfire and the moment in Pinkie's Pride when they use two live clips (I have a personal, deep loathing for mixing real-world pictures or videos into animated shows). But neither of these are enough to condemn the respective episodes for me; although I have episodes I liked more in the season (quartet singing, character development for Sweetie Belle), I wouldn't say any of the key episodes (Hahaha...) were bad. My top two? Fluttershy' and AJ's.)
I just wish the five key episodes, even Pinkie Pride (which is on that list) would receive just as much love and attention as Twilight's Kingdom. They all gave the Mane Five meaningful character-development and relevancy to the story, before the finale disposed of that character-development to make way for Twilight's DBZ-style power-levels.
Unfortunately, they're given mixed receptions galore. Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash were being manipulated by the breezies and Wonderbolts, respectively. Applejack's key episode was considered average by most. And, the only good ones were Rarity Takes Manehattan and Pinkie Pride, and even then, two-out-of-five is too low. Meanwhile, Twilight's Kingdom is receiving tons of praise for its fight scene, despite its blatant display of a heavy power imbalance between Twilight Sparkle and her friends. I mean, I get that the fight was supposed to demonstrate that only friendship could save the day, not alicorn magic. But it still doesn't excuse the fact that people are praising that episode up and down JUST for its fight scene, to the near exclusion of the five key episodes, the Rainbow Power, and Rainbow Castle.
@rusticwware: You're making up a headcanon there. Just because MMC is on the bottom doesn't mean people didn't like the episode. They simply like Twilight's Kingdom better. You only get 1 vote, and if you give a fan (especially a fan of Princess Twilight) a choice between MMC and Twilight's Kingdom, it's pretty obvious which one will win out. It doesn't mean MMC won a spot on this list "just because of controversy." But you can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
I hate all the episodes to choose from so much I don't even know which to vote. My votes were wasted on the previous polls and felt like I should never vote anymore, but in addition I don't even know which sucky episode is better than the other sucky ones.
What George Clarence said. Nuff said.
S4 and S2 episodes are on the top, the majority wins. Your precious S1 that you call the "only good one season" has been defeated. Make yourself a reason of that Lauren Faust minions.
And don't try to say "We're being realist" when you said that the S1 was the only good one because that woman, because you're not being realist, you're being assholes.
Bronies have a short memory. I've noticed they tend to usually pick the last episode they saw as best.
@EternalNothingness
Two points left for me to make:
A: Notice that Sethisto only talked about "Twilight's Kingdom" for a single paragraph. This relates to one of the previous comments directed at you, where the commenter pointed out that regardless of how much the fight scene contributed to the episode, it was so out of the ordinary that it is an easy moment to reference. Seth wasn't trying to write a full-fledged essay on the qualifications of the episode; he was only writing a sentence or two, so he couldn't realy go into analysis mode at all. Also, Seth doesn't speak for the community on this, any more than he speaks for the community for his obsession with Trixie. Yes, the episode won the poll, but Seth wasn't the sole voter, and different people like things for different reasons; Seth's reason for liking the episode (even if that is really his only reason for liking it, see first few sentences above) doesn't necessarily reflect the reasons that other people voted for it.
*Note 1: See my previous comment regarding how liking the fight scene and liking the friendship message at the end are not mutually exclusive as you seem to think they are.
**Note 2: We don't even know if Sethisto voted for the episode, actually. As the administrator of the website, he would likely strive to present the results of the episode poll positively even if he secretly hated the episode that won.
B: There's something you keep repeating that I don't quite understand. How does someone else's opinion of an episode affect your own enjoyment of it? Because (cue the lecture on how your opinions are the only ones that should matter to you). Also (cue the lecture on how people are allowed to have different opinions, and it's not right or wrong to think differently). But really, (cue sympathetic lament on how ignoring other people's opinions is hard for everyone) (follow with consolation that if something is enjoyable to you, if you do manage to ignore the people you don't agree with the effort is worth it).
Bonus C: You still seem to be misunderstanding the point of that fight scene. I can safely say that nobody involved in producing the show intended what you think they did, and that the point of the episode was, indeed, the defeat of Tirek by the Orbital Friendship Cannon.
@rusticwware I can't say there weren't any people who voted for MMC because of the controversy, but I can say that I liked the episode for real. You also have to take into account that very few of the Season 3 episodes were standouts, so given that it's an around average episode, it was on a level playing field when it got voted into the final poll. And it is now facing off against the most loved episodes of the show (well, a good number of them) so all we can say about it from it being last on the poll is that it isn't the best of the best. It could still be considered by many people voting to be a really good episode, but one or more of the other options are better.
Eh, personally I feel that, while a good episode, TK part 2 pales in comparison to some of the other episodes on this list, (Party of One, PP, Winter Wrap Up) but seeing MMC at the bottom of this list makes up for it. It makes you wonder how many people voted for it based on controversy alone? If it truly was the windfall episode people claim it to be for TS (and NOT the more deserving TK) it'd be higher on this list....but it's not, and I'm ok with this because MMC isn't as good as everyone claims it is. People just know its highly contentious and love to stir the pot.
@Badly Drawn Turtle Also, pay close attention to this: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2014/10/twilights-kingdom-takes-round-7-final.html
Notice how Sethisto was praising the finale JUST for its bloated fight scene, but completely disregarded the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle. That article implied that he (and possibly other bronies like him) don't seem to care about friendship anymore, that this one fight scene will be the only thing that will be remembered in MLP from this point on. They didn't care that friendship saved the day like always, or that Twilight and her friends received a new palace to replace the Golden Oaks Library. Instead, it's that one fight scene, where Twilight solos a giant monster while demonstrating to the audience how useless and disposable her friends were compared to her.
I want to enjoy the finale just for the way friendship saved the day, and I also want to just enjoy the five key episodes. But then you have tons of people having so many mixed opinions about the key episodes, and the way they despise the designs to the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle, and how the former bordered on Deus Ex Machina. Meanwhile, these same people are PRAISING the fight scene for the way it helped the show transcend its own genre in the stupidest, most pandering and superficial fashion imaginable.
In short, the bronies, and even analysts like Tommy Oliver/Brony Curious, are all preventing from liking the season-long story-arc as a whole, because of their complete and utter disregard for the show's friendship themes exchanged for the love for that stupid, bloated fight scene.
Oh my.
It's only been a day and 3/4 of the comments are really just pointless arguments
party of one for me.
Any wayI love the character shown in Pinkie pie. It's nice to have those episodes that remind us that pinkie's character is actually quite interesting toand that she has really weaknesses.
@Emptybee Yeah, I also didn't vote for it because it was split into parts, but I highly doubt putting them both together would more than double the votes for Return of Harmony, especially since Canterlot Wedding and Twilight's Kingdom had no problem having their part 2s win on their own
@Discord Sparkle
But that assumes it's merely additive - which isn't necessarily the case.
Alone part one and two aren't nearly as effective as both are together. Which is why I didn't vote for either, and I doubt I'm alone in that.
Winter Wrap Up is winning MMC
@Emptybee Not really. Both parts combined only had 14% of the vote, not even half what Luna Eclipsed had
I find it rather annoying that "A Canterlot Wedding" and "Twilight's Kingdom" are now listed in their entirely, when before we had to vote on part one or part two. If we'd been voting on two-parters as single episodes all along "Return of Harmony" would likely have made the final cut.
@Badly Drawn Turtle Not to mention, the Mane Five went through their own key episodes. They overcame conflicts based after their Elements of Harmony, and taught somepony else about their Elements, earning them keys as a result.
It's just a shame that they have such a mixed, underrated reception, both individually and together. Same for the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle.
@EternalNothingness
Really? You're still going on about this? I'm going to take the approach of assuming that you are not a troll, but rather a (relatively) young fan who is completely missing the point of the fight scene in the episode. Let me state it again (a few others have pointed this out already, but you seem to have missed it): The fight scene did not promote Twilight's epicness as a solution to the problem of Tirek; it showed how even a Quadruple-Alicorn Punch-Holes-in-Mountains-Level Badass-Twilight couldn't defeat Tirek, while a No-Magic-of-Her-Own Drained-by-Tirek-Twilight standing with her friends could.
The point of the fight scene wasn't to discard friendship; it was to show that friendship could do what even epic badassary couldn't. If you can't see that, I'm not sure how to help you.
Plot-wise, the fight scene represents not the part of the story where the hero saves the day, but the part where the hero shows off their skills to highlight how intense the conflict is. It wasn't to show off Twilight's power; it was to show off Tirek's power and make the true climax (the part with the now-typical rainbow-blast through the powers they obtained together from the Harmony Tree) all the more epic.
There's also the part where the fight scene was awesome. It's not a choice between liking friendship and liking good fight scenes, you know. Some of us enjoy both.
*Note: You keep repeating that the Main Six (minus Twilight) were de-powered to highlight by contrast Twilight's magical badassary. On the contrary, Twilight is de-powered (by Tirek, just like her friends) to highlight by contrast the Main Six's collective badassery with the Rainbow Power. People keep arguing with you not because you have an unpopular opinion, but because you are fundamentally misunderstanding the plot-devices used in the episode.
/And, end. If you are a troll, at least I can be satisfied that I gave it my best.
Eh, this poll doesn't have my favorite episode in it. (I might have voted for "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils" for overall best episode, but since that isn't a choice...) I guess I'll go with "A Canterlot Wedding". Yes, Changelings were awesome, and to this date one of the greatest single contributions to the show's lore; but I also like it for the story. Putting Twilight and Cadance in the same cave in the beginning of Part 2 could be seen as lazy writing, but the rest of it was excellent. Especially the song "This Day Aria", which is still up there as one of the best of the show.
@Medicine Cat "In the spirit of friendship"...
Yeah, which was what Twilight's Kingdom lacked with that bloated, stupid fight scene and the disposing and disempowering of the Mane Five.
I think it is obvious at this point that dealing with a seriously disturbed individual here. I think it would display the best in all of us if we simply leave them alone, do not encourage them, and hope in the spirit of friendship that they will go and seek the help that they so clearly need.
@EternalNothingness
Oh my gosh! you are so pathetic! i can't believe, how hard you are trying to force your opinion on others, if you want to kill yourself go ahead, you are all talk, but no action. ;)
Heh, I just read all of the comments and I have to say... Watching the battle of words between people was entertaining at first but just kind of sad in the end. Anyway my thoughts are I liked most of the episodes listed but I knew that Twilight's Kingdom would probably win. I actually kind of liked it as well. I mean despite all of the non-mlp battle scene rampage... it was kind of enjoyable.
And you know, it almost feels depressing that I'm the only one who either liked or at least enjoyed the five key episodes, but deeply despised the S4 finale for its blatant disregard for Twilight's friends, exchanged for Twilight becoming an overpowered Super Saiyan.
Really, people would pick anything based on how recent it was. They'd also give up on story and character-development altogether just to emphasize bloated, apocalyptic action, even if it's at the expense of the hero's friends and their character-development. I mean, what the Hell is this? The prehistoric era?
The winner clearly is, "Winter Wrap Up", partly because of the song, but mainly due to the dazzling display of Twilight's totally non-magical organizational skills.
My only fear is that it might push some vulnerable child to go into management consulting.
Lol, over 50% of the comments here are the same person saying essentially the same thing. But he words it differently every time, so it's not just copy/pasting. Now that's dedicated trolling!
I just wish the five key episodes, even Pinkie Pride (which is also on the list) were considered just as much as Twilight's Kingdom. Again, the Mane Five resolved conflicts based on their Elements of Harmony, and taught somepony else about their Elements in-exchange for keys. It's just a shame that, up until the finale's ending, their efforts were rendered meaningless, both by Tirek as well as the will of Meghan McCarthy, just to set up a bloated, DBZ-style fight scene.
I get that the execution was lacking in a few of the key episodes, like Leap of Faith, Rainbow Falls, and Breezies. But those three episodes are either underrated or are receiving too much hate. Plus, they at least gave Applejack, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy, respectively, their own moments of character-development and story-arc relevancy, without victimizing or disposing of them (and Rarity and Pinkie Pie) as an excuse to increase the stakes and turn Twilight into a Super Saiyan bad-ass.
@EternalNothingness Nothing. It has to do with Sethisto being a unicorn supremacist.
Well Bats! isn't in the list soo... I'm gonna go with Twily's kingdom.
@Discord Sparkle What does that have to do with that bloated Twilight/Tirek fight, and the constant appraisal for it at the expense of the Mane Five, their own key episodes, and the Rainbow Power and Rainbow Castle?
@EternalNothingness, in other words, it is impossible for us to come to an agreement and none of us are able to change the view or opinion of the other, so what do you say to just call it a day and stop the discussion?
@Eternalnothingness I still haven't forgiven him for having Trixie take over the first Applejack banner >:I
@Discord Sparkle "Unicorn supremacist"? I never really knew Sethisto was like that all, myself.
@Tokensdorf And that fight scene deliberately murdered everything that made My Little Pony good in the first place, just as Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic '06, and Sonic Unleashed murdered everything that made Sonic the Hedgehog a household name as well, including the signature speed.
Again, the five key episodes were better. They were slice-of-life stories that didn't resort to disempowering, victimizing, and disposing of the Mane Five, just to turn Twilight into a superficial, pandering bad-ass on the level of Goku, Vegeta, and Shadow the Hedgehog. Instead, they gave the five mares meaningful character-development and relevancy to the season-long story-arc, by making them resolve conflicts based on their Elements of Harmony, and teaching somepony else about their Elements in-exchange for keys.
The finale, on the other hand, was terrible FOR its fight scene, and the deliberate stripping of the Mane Five's character-development given to them by their own key episodes. In fact, the one person who frustrated me the most regarding those episodes was Brony Curious, aka Tommy Oliver. He outright criticized Breezies, Rainbow Falls, and Leap of Faith, while praising Rarity Takes Manehattan and Pinkie Pride, and then went on to say "I like Twilight's fight with Tirek because of how bad-ass it was", while inadvertently disregarded Twilight's friends and their own key episodes, to the point that he WANTED the Mane Five to be murdered -- a la every non-saiyan Z-warrior -- in-exchange for Twilight's over-empowerment -- a la the saiyans.
@EternalNothingness Everyone already knows Sethisto is a unicorn supremacist, that's nothing new.
@EternalNothingness. We talk about and remember the fight scene because it were unexpected and quite different from what MLP has done before. We still remember the other key episodes, some of them are among my personal favorite episodes and I know it is the same for many others. And we remember Twilight's Kingdom from the fight scene because it was so different and it is something to seperate the episode from others, as it has been before, Pinkie Pride is, as an example, called for the episode with Weird Al, there are of course those who call the episode for Pinkie's key episode, but it is the same with Twilight's Kingdom, it is not because it was the best thing about the episode, the only good thing about the series or anything like that, it is just because it is so different from other episodes that it makes it easier to recognise and talk about.
@Tokensdorf Here's an article describing why Twilight's Kingdom Part 2 won the previous poll: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2014/10/twilights-kingdom-takes-round-7-final.html
Here, the admins of that website constantly make it sound like that the fight scene will always be the only thing anyone will ever remember the S4 finale for, to the point that every other aspect of not only the finale, but also the season-long story-arc as a whole, are all rendered meaningless. Again, they disregard the Mane Five's key episodes, and the way they had to work for their keys, just as an excuse to talk about how bad-ass and bloated in-terms of power Twilight was, like it'll be the only thing that will ever make MLP memorable, even though it was overhyped to death and demonstrated a stupid power and racial imbalance between Twilight and her friends.
@EternalNothingness. I am not a fan of Dragon Ball either, but I'll say, I quite enjoyed Twilight's Kingdom, for various reasons.
I'll keep this to just your problem with the episode(s), the fight sequence. Now remember, I am not trying to tell you that your opinion and viewpoint is wrong or if you should try and change it, but I do believe that you should try and accept that others see things (in this case Twilight's Kingdom) differenty, and not try to voice your opnion to the point where it feels like you are forcing it unto us.
As I mentioned before, am not a fan of Dragon Ball, again, for various reasons, and I can see how you could find it a bit racist, it definitely only allows the saiyans to save the day. But Twilight's Kingdom, I see that as Dragon Ball done right (not to offend any Dragon Ball fans, I simply mean to fit into the world, lore and general story elements of MLP). Let me explain. It wasn't the battle that solved everything, but it was instead her friendship, Twilight even got the choice to keep fighting or to give up her power in case she couldn't beat Tirek, she didn't even take that long to think about it, and she didn't only have the power of one Alicorn, but the power of four, and I do believe that any other pony would be mighty powerful with the power of four of them, no matter the race, and I don't think the others were victimized, mostly because they weren't shown to be weaker than Twilight but were instead betrayed by Discord rather than defeated by Tirek. I think that the battle scene were a nice touch to the episode, for it doesn't just show us a fight to end story, but instead shows us that Twilight, even with the magical ability of four Alicorns, can't beat Tirek and instead risks everything as she relies on her friendship and friends to help her save the day, which they end up doing, which could be interpreted as a way of saying that you can't always win, even if you are as powerful as Goku from Dragon Ball, but the combined power of you and your friends instead, can be the thing that saves the day in the end.
@Goatmeal Besides, the five key episodes were vastly superior to Twilight's Kingdom, on the account of them being slice-of-life stories revolving around the Mane Five resolving conflicts based on their Elements of Harmony, and teaching somepony else about their Elements. They did not resort to victimizing, disempowering, and disposing the Mane Five, and instead gave them meaningful character-development, which unfortunately would be callously and casually discarded in the finale, in-exchange for Twilight's godlike Super Saiyan powers.
@Goatmeal I'm sorry, but "Saiyan Twilight" is just a demonstration of a heavy power gap between Twilight and her friends.
Besides, DBZ sucks. It regularly discards every Z-warrior who wasn't a saiyan, and just makes the saiyans like Goku, Vegeta, and their three sons the ultimate saviors of the universe on the account of their species. In other words, it was unintentionally, yet blatantly promoting racial inequality between saiyans and non-saiyans.
And that's the same problem with Twilight's Kingdom. Twilight is the only solution to the Tirek problem on the account of her being an alicorn with three other alicorns' magic, and that her friends were useless and disposable on the account of them NOT being alicorns at all. As a result, Meghan McCarthy also promoted racism and racial inequality through the heavy power gap between Twilight and all of her friends.
@Eternal nothingness
Sorry I got you name wrong
@ eternal nothing's.
My dear sure. This is becoming rather repetitive. Now I do agree that Twilight's Kingdom was not the greatest episode ever but their aare still quality that I enjoy about it. And no the fight scene is not one of them. What I love about that episode is Discords development. Surely I think I freaked my friend out the first time we watched it with how I loved discord. The development was amazing and his character was a lot more complete at the end.
Honestly I didn't really care about the fight scene. I thought it was okay, but not really nesasary. You may think that everyone but you is absolutely in love and crazy over fighting and cares only about how many explosions are in each episode, but your not. Just please be reshave a good day sir.ectful of those around you and their opinions. Remember we are all just here to have fun. Have a good day sir :)
Could anyone explain why party of one is not inn the lead? And also why there is no rainbow dash or rarity ones? :)
Thank-you sincerely, Discord Sparkle!
So hard to choose, but Saiyan Twilight combined with the tying together of a season-long story arc is just impossible to say no to. More story arcs!
My favorite out of these episodes is definitely Pinkie Pride, but all these episodes were great. :D
@Matt Because of the Luna fanboys that love a mediocre episode just because Luna's the focus. I might like it more if Pinkie weren't just utterly terrible in it, worse than she usually is
It baffles me that Luna Eclipsed is up here. Why couldn't it have been Lesson Zero or Return of Harmony? They were much better episodes, and while Luna Eclipsed was still really good, it feels weird to compare it to these others in the poll.
I'm a dumb Idiote and I should Kill myself.
@EternalNothingness
"to turn it into DBZ from this point on!"
Yes, because one single fucking fight scene draws the path for the entire future of My Little Pony.
@Bill Cipher Don't think you can ignore me. You LOVE Twilight's Kingdom just for its fight scene. You didn't care that the Mane Five went through their own key episodes, or that they were disempowered and victimized. Story and character-development mean nothing to you compared to watching MLP turn into Dragon Ball Z, possibly for the rest of the entire series!
You bronies MURDERED My Little Pony with your love for that bloated fight scene. Meghan McCarthy, too, for the way she disregarded the show's friendship themes to turn it into DBZ from this point on!
OH GREAT THE SEASON FINALE IS WINNING
GREEAAT
@Discord Sparkle If I were you I would just stop replying To Him. That Guy Got Really Annoying In the Last Comment Thred. Maybe If we Ignore Him Long Enough he will go away. Anyway Gonna re- watch Twilights Kingdom now by.
@Discord Sparkle Well I hate that episode, because that fight scene demonstrated a heavy power imbalance between Twilight and her friends, the same way DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach dispose of their own supporting characters just to make it clear that only the heroes (and Vegeta, Sasuke, and the Gotei 13) are the only ones who can save the day on the account of their power levels.
You liked that episode because of the way it disempowered and victimized Twilight's friends, in-exchange for turning Twilight Sparkle into a Super Saiyan bad-ass. You'd disregard the show's core friendship themes, just to see it turn into DBZ. I mean, remember Shadow the Hedgehog? Sonic '06? Sonic Unleashed? Those three games outright abandoned Sonic's core speed to turn the franchise into something it's not. If you have too much of a problem with the way Sonic jumped the shark on a regular basis, why do you have NO problem at all with the way that fight scene murdered My Little Pony in a similar fashion?
Well, none of them are Rainbow Dash episodes, so, uh...
An amendment to my earlier comment, what he said makes it clear he either didn't watch the episode, or he's a troll.
Twilight's Kingdom, hooves down. I'm OK with this.
I won't Even Bother Reading this Comment Thread because I know A Certain Anoying Person **Caught** EternalNothingnes **Caught** Is Gonna Be Here Attacking Everyone
@EternalNothingness I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond to you when what you just said made it very clear that you didn't even watch the episode, but yeah. It seems people that actually did watch it really liked it
So, Twilight's Kingdom won the last round, and is currently winning this poll right now...
Yeah, never mind the fact that the Mane Five earned their keys in their own episodes. Let's disempower, victimize, and even MURDER Twilight's friends, just so that we could have a Super Saiyan bad-ass alicorn who would disregard her own friends for godlike, unlimited power.
Btw everyone, take cover. We've probably got a Category 5 firestorm headed directly this way. The comments on the last poll were baaaaaaaaad because of whiny people who were upset that Twilight's Kingdom was winning. And now, it's beating Luna! Imagine what it's gonna be like when the Luna fanboys find out!
@Just an Annon: You forget that Luna sang for the first time in Twilight's Kingdom
Since it isn't stated to be part two only, I voted Twilight's Kingdom. If it had been just part 2, I'd have voted Pinkie Pride
Even Luna's overpopularity shall not defeat Twilight's Kingdom!