You must be nuts! These inefficient, subsidized, UN-Green monstrosities should be stopped.
How do you ensure that the constructors are still in existence to take them down after their so-called productive lives and clear up the resultant mess and damage?
Ridiculous poll. Splits the "anti" responses into two sections, which if you added together would outweigh the single "pro" response.
In other words - people don't want the stupid wind turbines spoiling the environment for no gain other than profit in the pocket of the developers.
Get lost you wind parasites, your time is over!
Robert Ashodian - 9 years ago
Wind energy is a political scam by any measure. If you want to pay more for electricity, have your tax dollars go to big money developers in the form of subsidies and do the necessary research that proves wind is unreliable, expensive and unsightly, then go to it.
If you want to build these industrial machines (600 feet tall) in the desert then so be it. But, the very thought that such machinery should be constructed on the Great Lakes and destroy this beautiful area is a total abomination.
Only a politician would think this is a good idea.
Doctor John - 9 years ago
The rigged poll trick insults the intelligence of readers. It hasn't worked though; after the first few comments, probably from the perpetrators of the poll, everyone is against not just the Lake Erie turbines but the whole wind industry scam. It seems like the greenies have mastered the mouse enough to vote but not yet mastered the keyboard.
Grant Winberg - 9 years ago
As is usual, the media is being led up the garden path by the developer. The poll is constructed to mislead and gives the likes of Mark Friedman the opportunity to further mislead by saying the poll shows many are very much in favor. When did 'many' best describe less than 50%? In fact, an analysis of the comments to date from people who bother to do more than just tick the top box, shows that 'many' are, with good reason, opposed - both to subsidised wind turbines and to wind turbines on, in or around the lakes.
Gary Thrailkill - 9 years ago
Our State and Federal government needs to stop wasting our tax money on wind power. In the long run, this is an environmental and economic disaster. News agencies need to educate the public that without state and federal subsidies, wind turbine power cannot sustain itself. The Ohio state legislators and US Congress must stop this irresponsible waste of taxpayer money.
Wind turbines are proven science. Period. No more federal money needs to be poured into this environmental curiosity. Proofs include 23 % "on-time", vulnerability to wind damage failures and large bird kills. Everybody knows that without federal subsidies, wind turbine power will vanish. How much longer is Congress going to allow this irresponsible waste of taxpayer treasure?
Wind turbine farms have worked in Europe and can be successful here.
I recommend everyone who wants to see what Mark's claimed success actually ends up looking like
watches the video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=rIn-5vnQ1PY
The developers are relentless anyone who supports wind turbines is consigning you all to mass desecration.. WATCH THE VIDEO
Tammy C. Truitt - 9 years ago
Wind Turbines kill wildlife and destroy the local environment. The extent of destruction is being hidden because the wind industry "voluntarily" reports its kills. CO2 reductions are little to none because wind requires 100% back-up because even when the wind is producing it is unpredictable requiring a secondary source. The wind can blow 20mph one minute and 0 the next. Wind turbines only produce when the wind is over 9 mph and below 50 mph with optimum production around 30 mph. The grid has to constantly balance this unstable flow of energy causing wasted energy but the rate payers and taxpayers pay for all the energy produced whether is usable or dumped.
don rhine - 9 years ago
these wind turbines are not cutting edge anything. they are a boondogle that can only be built with tax payer subsidies. there is nothing Green about them and certainly not a source of cheap energy.
Lindy - 9 years ago
Wind Turbines are NOT "cutting edge science". Electricity produced by wind turbines are unreliable, unpredictable and NOT dispatchable. Placing these massive industrial scale wind turbine structures in a valuable fresh water source i.e. the Great Lakes is a disgrace.
John - 9 years ago
Do not allow these industrial machines in our lakes. If they leak, and all machines do eventually, think of the environmental hazard they will create and the contamination of our drinking water. We as a nation need to spend our money on basic research to find alternative energy solutions that are efficient. Wind turbines are old technology that was never and is still not efficient. Think about it windmills were around on farms in the early days, but are they there now? They were inefficient then as they are now. We can do better, if we put the money in the research to find better more efficient solutions. Instead we are subsidizing wind development with our tax dollars using a "feel good" approach, because we are led to believe wind development is efficient - which studies have proven is not.
jannie - 9 years ago
Wind projects benefit no one but the wind company who puts them up. This form of "energy" (I hate to even imply it is energy) is a "feel good" thing for environmentalist who have bought into it without doing the research. It is sad to see the negative impact it has on the environment (wind turbines on top of mountains), residents (people who have had to move out of their homes because of the sound), wildlife (we turn a blind eye to the killing of eagles,bats and other birds). I have been involved in environmental issues for over 40 years and these things do Nothing to improve the evironment.
Jim Wiegand - 9 years ago
Here is the correct question readers should be asked............Should the wind industry continue to promote their fraudulent research through media outlets to help sell turbine projects to ignorant Americans?
Yes......... Fraud for the right price is OK in today's world
No.......... Fraud is not OK and the wind industry should be investigated
No...........This industry should be prosecuted for rigging research and selling a "snake oil" energy solution to the taxpayers.
JT - 9 years ago
Looks like the comment section doesn't reflect the poorly structured poll results. I'm glad to see the majority of commenters are thinking things through and becoming informed rather than blindly accepting the sales pitch. Not in my back yard, not in your back yard, and not in any lake, sea, or ocean! NIMBY NIYBY NIALSO!
Lenny - 9 years ago
When are people going to realize what a hoax wind energy is? There is nothing good about large industrial wind turbines other than it takes a lot of tax payer money to put them up and it makes a lot of money for the wind developer. I could type for hours on how inefficient wind energy is and other have talked about birds and the horrible health affects on nearby residents. I am one of those victims. I was uneducated about wind energy because the Forward project (Invenergy) that I live in was the first large scale wind project in Wisconsin. Now everyone should know the affects of wind energy. I just need to add every coal plant should shut down on the same date for two weeks to show that we most certainly do need coal to generate electricity.
Another ridiculous wind survey with a split vote against vs one supporting. Anyone who thinks Lake Erie is the 'perfect' spot is either ill-informed regarding the truth about wind turbines, the so-called 'power' wind turbines generate, the harmful effects wind turbines have on humans, birds, bats and the environment, or they are making money on this taxpayer subsidized scam. If Marcy Kaptur wants to bring energy independence to Ohio, she should be giving everyone free LED lightbulbs not unreliable subsidized monstrosities in the middle of a major migratory bird flyway and ruining any and all tourism along the Lake Erie shoreline. Lake Erie...a big puddle chock full of industrial wind turbines...want to vacation there? Want to take the chance of sending who knows what oil and lubricants
through the Niagara River into Lake Ontario? This is not the path to energy independence, it's the path to the destruction of a Great Lake and one of the worlds sources of fresh water. Wake up Ohio.
Suzanne Albright - 9 years ago
Thanks Tom Wasilewski and others who are commenting the FACTS about the scam called Industrial Wind Energy.
Sure, put them in the lake so on shore citizens won't suffer the ill health effects of having them nearby (and for all the wind supporters, the evidence documenting human harm from infrasound and low frequency sound is disputed by the wind industry, but WELL substantiated by scientists world wide). That way, it will destroy the ecosystem- from migrating birds (millions), to vibrations that disrupt all that live in the lake, to water quality when the turbines fail, leak fluids, and are left to rust out in our precious fresh water. With 14,000 rusting, disabled turbines in the U.S. already, what's a few more? As long as LEEDCO folks get their cash cow from the feds (or, from all of us, actually), they will be happy. So, keep working, as this will need to be paid for and your electricity rates will likely quadruple. And BTW, the coal will need to keep getting mined for back up during the 90% or more of the time the turbines aren't producing unless you plan on using candles and bonfires. Wind energy has not reduced CO2 emissions where coal is the conventional electricity supplier- as the ramping up and down of coal plants to back up unreliable, unpredictable wind actually gives off more CO2 than when running at a steady rate. This is a loser on every level!
Finally, where are the power purchase agreements (meaning, who has contracted to purchase the minuscule amount of electricity these filthy monstrosities will produce), and where is the research to correct the 14 deficiencies and inefficiencies in the LEEDCo environmental submissions? If their first application submission to the OPSB is any indication of the quality of their work, they should not be allowed to build anything anywhere! And certainly NOT an industrial power plant in our precious Great Lakes!
Think Twice - 9 years ago
In the lake, or on the land, wind turbines are a threat:
- to your pocketbook (wind is intermittent, requires expensive - not yet existing, storage to be viable)
- to wildlife (aquatic, and avian)
- to human health if too close (pulsating noise / pressure)
The only winners are the investors, installers and manufacturers. Everyone else loses.
Chris Bronson - 9 years ago
Wake up, people! Wind energy is inefficient, highly disruptive to environment (construction), hugely dependent upon federal monies to be profitable--otherwise no company would bother building these monstrosities--and unhealthy for humans as well as migratory species. God knows how much damage they will wreak when placed in Lake Erie waters. Wind energy is not "green" at all. When the populace learns about these, you will have much more public opposition. I once thought they were great. How wrong I was when I learned. Stop these things NOW!
Darrell Smith - 9 years ago
I feel that Wind Turbines are so inefficient that our governments money should be spent in a more efficient way. Wind Turbines also kill many migrating small birds, bats and migrating raptors. The air space along Lake Erie is a major migration path. I think it is a really bad idea and so should those that live there.
Segue C - 9 years ago
I hope people who are fighting these abominations on land are not just saying put them in the Lake thinking to save themselves and so "out of sight out of mind"...it will not get them out of your bank account nor out of our natural heritage treasury.
Rather than save the planet these eyesores are stealing our children's future. Allegedly "green"energy has been economic, environmental and social disaster throughout Europe surely we should be wise to the slick green bs by now!
In regards to the science: Don't worship this "feel good" technology - it is a facade.
In regards to the bird kills: Cars, cats, windows don't kill eagles: turbines DO. And, we know that wind turbines are lethal to bats.
In regards to nuclear: We need to support small-scale modular nuclear using recycled fuel rods. Nuclear is the best choice at this point if we are TRULY concerned about global warming and reducing CO2. Anyone who supports wind because they think it will reduce or stop global warming has not done their research.
Tomaž Ogrin - 9 years ago
If IPCC want as soon as possible to lower CO2 then the only solution is nuclear power stations instead of coal and gas power stations. Windfarms are NO solution. Technically impossible. Only in fantasy.
Windfarms only destroy Nature without saving the Environment. Stop subsidies to windfarms at once.
ubetyourlife - 9 years ago
R u people crazy or what I live in s/w Ontario and these turbines r not feasible. Putting them in the Great Lakes is a disaster the Great Lakes is our only water source and they want to put these damn things in them.! We pay the U.S. To take our excess power that we seem to have lots of Michigan and Ohio get a lot of free power from your good old Canadian Neighbours!!
People do your research they r shutting them down in Europe and Australia because they r a disaster!
Tom Wasilewski - 9 years ago
Another poll with questions favoring the Plain Dealer bias in favor of putting industrial wind turbines in Lake Erie. They should have given the readers a choice like industrial wind turbines in Lake Erie is horrible. As to bird, bat kills (and even Monarch butterflies) at IWTs Martha is correct. A June 20, 2015 Migratory Bird Symposium in Erie, PA revealed how important a flyway and resting area is for birds. And that bats also migrate over the lake. A presentation by a USFWS official, an expert on avian radar, informed the audience that many birds would be killed in the rotar swept area of blades which turn at approximately 200 mph at optimum winds.
See the Ohio Power Siting Board website (www.opsb.ohio.gov) for the LEEDCo case file under permit applications. You will see that on 4/18/14 that the OPSB sent LEEDCo a letter of permit application incompleteness (14 insufficiencies noted). Included were attachments from the USFWS and the Ohio Department of Natural Resources containing reasons why LEEDCo project has significant environmental problems for Lake Erie and for humans and wildlife.
Read the public comments to see reasoned comments by citizens and organizations like the American Bird Conservancy. This wind developer has received at least $ 7,000,000 I federal grant money from the U.S. Department of Energy (that is us the federal taxpayers) and their chief salesman receives a salary of 1/4 million dollars per year. Their crew can drown out the citizens by conducting one sided meetings paid for by the federal taxpayers and Cleveland Community Fund (whose President is also Chairman of LEEDCo-how is that for a conflict of interest).
Vivienne - 9 years ago
If you think wind turbines work in Europe you must have either no clue how often wind accounts for 0% of generation or you must be a wind investor because the subsidies being paid by consumers are staggering regardless of energy generation. And the countries with the highest amount of installed wind have the highest consumer energy prices and people in fuel poverty.
Wind turbines have a MASSIVE carbon footprint that can take years to pay off before they become carbon neutral, never mind net reducers of emissions. Like a car, they also become gradually less efficient over the years and by that time the investors have made their money so aren't interested in reconditioning or dismantle costs so the taxpayer is left with the cost of taking them down or, in many states and counties who have more pressing funding issues, letting them rest and rust as monuments to the great wind scam.
People who support wind come from two main camps - those who think it's great but know nothing about the inefficiencies of it and that fossil fuel plants have to remain always "on" to kick in when the wind doesn't blow enough and those who think it's great BECAUSE of the economics of it as investors - the ones whose only "green" is hard currency.
If you want to be green America then switch something off, make your buildings passive by law. Don't desecrate your landscapes and habitats so a hedge fund in the Caymans can cream in money for the 1%.
Watch a documentary such as Big Wind. Open your eyes, not your tax reserves that could be used for health care, education services or other far more beneficial causes.
Ginny Smallenburg - 9 years ago
Martha, studies show that wind turbines kill fewer birds than any other cause including cars, cats and many other causes. This "bird" myth is perpetuated by the anti turbine groups
Martha r - 9 years ago
we need to find turbines without the huge blades. Other conical designs are safer for birds and bats. In favor of clean energy, but in favor of finding alternative designs that will do less damage.
Mark Friedman - 9 years ago
Leedco is to be congratulated for persevering to make this concept a reality. It is cutting edge science, energy, and economics. This is a tremendous opportunity for N. E. Ohio to lead the nation. Wind turbine farms have worked in Europe and can be successful here. Congratulations and keep moving forward. This poll shows that many are very much in favor of this project.
You must be nuts! These inefficient, subsidized, UN-Green monstrosities should be stopped.
How do you ensure that the constructors are still in existence to take them down after their so-called productive lives and clear up the resultant mess and damage?
Ridiculous poll. Splits the "anti" responses into two sections, which if you added together would outweigh the single "pro" response.
In other words - people don't want the stupid wind turbines spoiling the environment for no gain other than profit in the pocket of the developers.
Get lost you wind parasites, your time is over!
Wind energy is a political scam by any measure. If you want to pay more for electricity, have your tax dollars go to big money developers in the form of subsidies and do the necessary research that proves wind is unreliable, expensive and unsightly, then go to it.
If you want to build these industrial machines (600 feet tall) in the desert then so be it. But, the very thought that such machinery should be constructed on the Great Lakes and destroy this beautiful area is a total abomination.
Only a politician would think this is a good idea.
The rigged poll trick insults the intelligence of readers. It hasn't worked though; after the first few comments, probably from the perpetrators of the poll, everyone is against not just the Lake Erie turbines but the whole wind industry scam. It seems like the greenies have mastered the mouse enough to vote but not yet mastered the keyboard.
As is usual, the media is being led up the garden path by the developer. The poll is constructed to mislead and gives the likes of Mark Friedman the opportunity to further mislead by saying the poll shows many are very much in favor. When did 'many' best describe less than 50%? In fact, an analysis of the comments to date from people who bother to do more than just tick the top box, shows that 'many' are, with good reason, opposed - both to subsidised wind turbines and to wind turbines on, in or around the lakes.
Our State and Federal government needs to stop wasting our tax money on wind power. In the long run, this is an environmental and economic disaster. News agencies need to educate the public that without state and federal subsidies, wind turbine power cannot sustain itself. The Ohio state legislators and US Congress must stop this irresponsible waste of taxpayer money.
Wind turbines are proven science. Period. No more federal money needs to be poured into this environmental curiosity. Proofs include 23 % "on-time", vulnerability to wind damage failures and large bird kills. Everybody knows that without federal subsidies, wind turbine power will vanish. How much longer is Congress going to allow this irresponsible waste of taxpayer treasure?
Mark Friedman
states
Wind turbine farms have worked in Europe and can be successful here.
I recommend everyone who wants to see what Mark's claimed success actually ends up looking like
watches the video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=rIn-5vnQ1PY
The developers are relentless anyone who supports wind turbines is consigning you all to mass desecration.. WATCH THE VIDEO
Wind Turbines kill wildlife and destroy the local environment. The extent of destruction is being hidden because the wind industry "voluntarily" reports its kills. CO2 reductions are little to none because wind requires 100% back-up because even when the wind is producing it is unpredictable requiring a secondary source. The wind can blow 20mph one minute and 0 the next. Wind turbines only produce when the wind is over 9 mph and below 50 mph with optimum production around 30 mph. The grid has to constantly balance this unstable flow of energy causing wasted energy but the rate payers and taxpayers pay for all the energy produced whether is usable or dumped.
these wind turbines are not cutting edge anything. they are a boondogle that can only be built with tax payer subsidies. there is nothing Green about them and certainly not a source of cheap energy.
Wind Turbines are NOT "cutting edge science". Electricity produced by wind turbines are unreliable, unpredictable and NOT dispatchable. Placing these massive industrial scale wind turbine structures in a valuable fresh water source i.e. the Great Lakes is a disgrace.
Do not allow these industrial machines in our lakes. If they leak, and all machines do eventually, think of the environmental hazard they will create and the contamination of our drinking water. We as a nation need to spend our money on basic research to find alternative energy solutions that are efficient. Wind turbines are old technology that was never and is still not efficient. Think about it windmills were around on farms in the early days, but are they there now? They were inefficient then as they are now. We can do better, if we put the money in the research to find better more efficient solutions. Instead we are subsidizing wind development with our tax dollars using a "feel good" approach, because we are led to believe wind development is efficient - which studies have proven is not.
Wind projects benefit no one but the wind company who puts them up. This form of "energy" (I hate to even imply it is energy) is a "feel good" thing for environmentalist who have bought into it without doing the research. It is sad to see the negative impact it has on the environment (wind turbines on top of mountains), residents (people who have had to move out of their homes because of the sound), wildlife (we turn a blind eye to the killing of eagles,bats and other birds). I have been involved in environmental issues for over 40 years and these things do Nothing to improve the evironment.
Here is the correct question readers should be asked............Should the wind industry continue to promote their fraudulent research through media outlets to help sell turbine projects to ignorant Americans?
Yes......... Fraud for the right price is OK in today's world
No.......... Fraud is not OK and the wind industry should be investigated
No...........This industry should be prosecuted for rigging research and selling a "snake oil" energy solution to the taxpayers.
Looks like the comment section doesn't reflect the poorly structured poll results. I'm glad to see the majority of commenters are thinking things through and becoming informed rather than blindly accepting the sales pitch. Not in my back yard, not in your back yard, and not in any lake, sea, or ocean! NIMBY NIYBY NIALSO!
When are people going to realize what a hoax wind energy is? There is nothing good about large industrial wind turbines other than it takes a lot of tax payer money to put them up and it makes a lot of money for the wind developer. I could type for hours on how inefficient wind energy is and other have talked about birds and the horrible health affects on nearby residents. I am one of those victims. I was uneducated about wind energy because the Forward project (Invenergy) that I live in was the first large scale wind project in Wisconsin. Now everyone should know the affects of wind energy. I just need to add every coal plant should shut down on the same date for two weeks to show that we most certainly do need coal to generate electricity.
Another ridiculous wind survey with a split vote against vs one supporting. Anyone who thinks Lake Erie is the 'perfect' spot is either ill-informed regarding the truth about wind turbines, the so-called 'power' wind turbines generate, the harmful effects wind turbines have on humans, birds, bats and the environment, or they are making money on this taxpayer subsidized scam. If Marcy Kaptur wants to bring energy independence to Ohio, she should be giving everyone free LED lightbulbs not unreliable subsidized monstrosities in the middle of a major migratory bird flyway and ruining any and all tourism along the Lake Erie shoreline. Lake Erie...a big puddle chock full of industrial wind turbines...want to vacation there? Want to take the chance of sending who knows what oil and lubricants
through the Niagara River into Lake Ontario? This is not the path to energy independence, it's the path to the destruction of a Great Lake and one of the worlds sources of fresh water. Wake up Ohio.
Thanks Tom Wasilewski and others who are commenting the FACTS about the scam called Industrial Wind Energy.
Sure, put them in the lake so on shore citizens won't suffer the ill health effects of having them nearby (and for all the wind supporters, the evidence documenting human harm from infrasound and low frequency sound is disputed by the wind industry, but WELL substantiated by scientists world wide). That way, it will destroy the ecosystem- from migrating birds (millions), to vibrations that disrupt all that live in the lake, to water quality when the turbines fail, leak fluids, and are left to rust out in our precious fresh water. With 14,000 rusting, disabled turbines in the U.S. already, what's a few more? As long as LEEDCO folks get their cash cow from the feds (or, from all of us, actually), they will be happy. So, keep working, as this will need to be paid for and your electricity rates will likely quadruple. And BTW, the coal will need to keep getting mined for back up during the 90% or more of the time the turbines aren't producing unless you plan on using candles and bonfires. Wind energy has not reduced CO2 emissions where coal is the conventional electricity supplier- as the ramping up and down of coal plants to back up unreliable, unpredictable wind actually gives off more CO2 than when running at a steady rate. This is a loser on every level!
Finally, where are the power purchase agreements (meaning, who has contracted to purchase the minuscule amount of electricity these filthy monstrosities will produce), and where is the research to correct the 14 deficiencies and inefficiencies in the LEEDCo environmental submissions? If their first application submission to the OPSB is any indication of the quality of their work, they should not be allowed to build anything anywhere! And certainly NOT an industrial power plant in our precious Great Lakes!
In the lake, or on the land, wind turbines are a threat:
- to your pocketbook (wind is intermittent, requires expensive - not yet existing, storage to be viable)
- to wildlife (aquatic, and avian)
- to human health if too close (pulsating noise / pressure)
The only winners are the investors, installers and manufacturers. Everyone else loses.
Wake up, people! Wind energy is inefficient, highly disruptive to environment (construction), hugely dependent upon federal monies to be profitable--otherwise no company would bother building these monstrosities--and unhealthy for humans as well as migratory species. God knows how much damage they will wreak when placed in Lake Erie waters. Wind energy is not "green" at all. When the populace learns about these, you will have much more public opposition. I once thought they were great. How wrong I was when I learned. Stop these things NOW!
I feel that Wind Turbines are so inefficient that our governments money should be spent in a more efficient way. Wind Turbines also kill many migrating small birds, bats and migrating raptors. The air space along Lake Erie is a major migration path. I think it is a really bad idea and so should those that live there.
I hope people who are fighting these abominations on land are not just saying put them in the Lake thinking to save themselves and so "out of sight out of mind"...it will not get them out of your bank account nor out of our natural heritage treasury.
Rather than save the planet these eyesores are stealing our children's future. Allegedly "green"energy has been economic, environmental and social disaster throughout Europe surely we should be wise to the slick green bs by now!
In regards to the science: Don't worship this "feel good" technology - it is a facade.
In regards to the bird kills: Cars, cats, windows don't kill eagles: turbines DO. And, we know that wind turbines are lethal to bats.
In regards to nuclear: We need to support small-scale modular nuclear using recycled fuel rods. Nuclear is the best choice at this point if we are TRULY concerned about global warming and reducing CO2. Anyone who supports wind because they think it will reduce or stop global warming has not done their research.
If IPCC want as soon as possible to lower CO2 then the only solution is nuclear power stations instead of coal and gas power stations. Windfarms are NO solution. Technically impossible. Only in fantasy.
Windfarms only destroy Nature without saving the Environment. Stop subsidies to windfarms at once.
R u people crazy or what I live in s/w Ontario and these turbines r not feasible. Putting them in the Great Lakes is a disaster the Great Lakes is our only water source and they want to put these damn things in them.! We pay the U.S. To take our excess power that we seem to have lots of Michigan and Ohio get a lot of free power from your good old Canadian Neighbours!!
People do your research they r shutting them down in Europe and Australia because they r a disaster!
Another poll with questions favoring the Plain Dealer bias in favor of putting industrial wind turbines in Lake Erie. They should have given the readers a choice like industrial wind turbines in Lake Erie is horrible. As to bird, bat kills (and even Monarch butterflies) at IWTs Martha is correct. A June 20, 2015 Migratory Bird Symposium in Erie, PA revealed how important a flyway and resting area is for birds. And that bats also migrate over the lake. A presentation by a USFWS official, an expert on avian radar, informed the audience that many birds would be killed in the rotar swept area of blades which turn at approximately 200 mph at optimum winds.
See the Ohio Power Siting Board website (www.opsb.ohio.gov) for the LEEDCo case file under permit applications. You will see that on 4/18/14 that the OPSB sent LEEDCo a letter of permit application incompleteness (14 insufficiencies noted). Included were attachments from the USFWS and the Ohio Department of Natural Resources containing reasons why LEEDCo project has significant environmental problems for Lake Erie and for humans and wildlife.
Read the public comments to see reasoned comments by citizens and organizations like the American Bird Conservancy. This wind developer has received at least $ 7,000,000 I federal grant money from the U.S. Department of Energy (that is us the federal taxpayers) and their chief salesman receives a salary of 1/4 million dollars per year. Their crew can drown out the citizens by conducting one sided meetings paid for by the federal taxpayers and Cleveland Community Fund (whose President is also Chairman of LEEDCo-how is that for a conflict of interest).
If you think wind turbines work in Europe you must have either no clue how often wind accounts for 0% of generation or you must be a wind investor because the subsidies being paid by consumers are staggering regardless of energy generation. And the countries with the highest amount of installed wind have the highest consumer energy prices and people in fuel poverty.
Wind turbines have a MASSIVE carbon footprint that can take years to pay off before they become carbon neutral, never mind net reducers of emissions. Like a car, they also become gradually less efficient over the years and by that time the investors have made their money so aren't interested in reconditioning or dismantle costs so the taxpayer is left with the cost of taking them down or, in many states and counties who have more pressing funding issues, letting them rest and rust as monuments to the great wind scam.
People who support wind come from two main camps - those who think it's great but know nothing about the inefficiencies of it and that fossil fuel plants have to remain always "on" to kick in when the wind doesn't blow enough and those who think it's great BECAUSE of the economics of it as investors - the ones whose only "green" is hard currency.
If you want to be green America then switch something off, make your buildings passive by law. Don't desecrate your landscapes and habitats so a hedge fund in the Caymans can cream in money for the 1%.
Watch a documentary such as Big Wind. Open your eyes, not your tax reserves that could be used for health care, education services or other far more beneficial causes.
Martha, studies show that wind turbines kill fewer birds than any other cause including cars, cats and many other causes. This "bird" myth is perpetuated by the anti turbine groups
we need to find turbines without the huge blades. Other conical designs are safer for birds and bats. In favor of clean energy, but in favor of finding alternative designs that will do less damage.
Leedco is to be congratulated for persevering to make this concept a reality. It is cutting edge science, energy, and economics. This is a tremendous opportunity for N. E. Ohio to lead the nation. Wind turbine farms have worked in Europe and can be successful here. Congratulations and keep moving forward. This poll shows that many are very much in favor of this project.