Vancouver is a city of tourism. The pipeline will have a negative impact on the tourism industry there. Vancouver is a beautiful city. If tourism here is developed well, revenue from tourism industry can replace revenue from exporting oil. Pipeline extension is good but should be extended to the northside, not through Vancouver.
Rosemary Morrison - 6 years ago
It is not just about the pipeline. The South Resident Orca population will be put at imminent danger if this pipeline goes through. The increase in tanker traffic will make it impossible for them to communicate and find food. The noise in the water will be horrendous.
Winston - 6 years ago
Yes,build it,of course. We need jobs. We need investment in our country. It has already been approved,and we need to show the investment world community,we are open for business, Alberta need this to create growth for their major industry. If someone wanted to plant blueberries, there would be some ready to protest. We have clean up plans in place, there should never be spills,but if there is ,more work. We can make this practical for all, get it done!
Tim McGrath - 6 years ago
Robert in Vancouver, you comment about double hulled tankers is grossly inaccurate, there have been three in the last year! The one in Indonesia is still burning, currently covering the same area as Paris.
if you think the BC government opposition is the only hurdle, think again! The Indigenous front, the student front, the soft environmental front, the hardcore environmental front, the NO TANKER front, the RAGING GRANNY's ..
Kinder Morgan planned at oil being $130-150/barrel, last week it was $60-65/barrel less than half what they need. Kinder Morgan still has some 600 permits to request.. there are issues with a number of municipalities, two-thirds of the indigenous groups. They have been ordered to remove the anti spawning mats that have been deployed and will have to find another solution for 500+ river crossings.
Kinder Morgan has already said the project is 'untenable'. They said they cannot litigate all the way to an operational pipeline.
Trudeau already acknowledged the approval was given so Alberta would sign on to the Carbon Tax. He said the method of approval was faulty and has already changed the system. Trans Mountain couldn't pass the current criteria.
Alberta's childish threats like Notley whine war.. grow up, want to play like that, wheat, beef, ANY oil, etc. At least BC is behaving like adults and saying, let the judge decide..
Joe Lanteigne - 6 years ago
I can't believe how many people are still climate deniers. and they're quite vocal. Hard to believe actually. Climate Change is real and the third biggest (and dirtiest ) reserve must remain in the ground. 80% of all known reserves must stay in the ground. BELIEVE the SCIENCE. and stop this corporate greed.
Anton Checkov - 6 years ago
The pipeline? Long term pain for short term gain. Can't you get it? The petro age is over. the oil companies are all geared up for alternatives, just trying to squeeze out the last few pennies from an industry on it's death-bed.The world is gasping for relief, and the options are available. The diehards are willing to lay down their, and your lives for a last fling at the high life. Get with it, move on. there is light at the end of the tunnel. Powered by clean energy!
Turcotte Jean-Pierre - 6 years ago
I am motivated to stand with my community in resisting the treasonous direction that this irresponsible government has chosen; I stand with First Nations who have denied consent through their unceded territories. I choose real 'reconciliation' over perpetuating colonialism. I choose NOT to be self-serving and motivated by self-interest as demonstrated by all those who ignore the facts and scientific evidence of the enormous risks posed by the Kinder Morgan diluted bitumen pipeline to the people depending on the continuance of BC's largest watershed and fisheries. So Alberta, refine it, or KEEP IT IN THE GROUND!
...refine it at source(Junior says he has $2B extra he's looking to get rid of...your taxes)...or KEEP IT IN THE GROUND. It's junk and it can't be cleaned up. Stranded asset is better.
JamesD - 6 years ago
30 years from now people will be shaking their heads at the disinformation Texas billionaires have been able to spread far and wide, tapping into the resentment of people who feel they are being left behind by a modern economy. It feels like a culture war, divorced from common sense or long term thinking. This pipeline is a dying gasp of a sunset industry hell bent on extracting what it can in the limited time left. Most of the tar sands are "stranded assets" already, but nobody wants to admit it. The balance sheet write offs are going to hurt.
Brian - 6 years ago
arrest the criminals that blockade work... or maybe shoot a few :) --- the rest of the flakes will scatter.
A. Gendron - 6 years ago
Patrick Rogers.
Are you aware that absolutely nothing that you said in your post is true?
Not one solitary fact to be found in your entire post. Just absurdist claptrap. Perhaps you should get your facts from somewhere other than the US anti oilsands lobby.
Andy - 6 years ago
Australia has changed regulation to allow hydraulic fracturing to find oil. Canada doesn't want the cash, some one will take it. The globe has been warming for million of years... and it's not going to stop.
It's better to use the royalty to pay off the debt and build the infrstructures for the next generations to come...
Adam Sanjad - 6 years ago
It is in the national interest of canada our economy has been for years at the mercy of the USA it would be very beneficial to open new market and explore new economic aprotunity maybe one day we can use our own natural resources to produce world essential product and have a bullet proof economy as it is now we send oil buy back gas and diesel fuel
I wonder if those people who claim support of this project have any idea what is at stake. Do they know that great volumes of fracked natural gas from BC goes to heat the tar to extract it from the sand then natural gas condensate with industrial secrets is added and further heated to push this toxic mix through pipes to the coast. Much of this "Alberta Product" should never see the open market If Alberta had a product that did not threaten BC's environment, maybe we could reach an agreement.
Derek - 6 years ago
I like how people comment how fake this poll is. If the results were the other way around you’d be sharing them all around social media saying “see, nobody wants it.” Just like they say Natives who support the pipeline are being paid by corporations. The hypocrisy of the BC government and the protesters is laughable. Tankers are already in Canadian waters, thousands of them. They are just not carrying Canadian oil. The best way to stop the shipment of oil is to stop using it. Not even the protestors are willing to do that. Vancouver traffic is terrible. It is amazing to see how many vehicles on the road here only have one person in them. Yet they blame oil companies for destroying the environment. It’s like blaming McDonald’s for making you fat. Nobody forced the Big Mac down your throat.
B.Web - 6 years ago
Bc is anti Alberta, they dump raw sewage into the waterways, just ok'ed mines to dump more tailings water containing dangerous chemicals into Lake Quesnell and are building a tank farm and pipeline beside the Fraser river.
The pipeline to carry AB product to tidewater is an expansion of the existing line which has had NO major spills in the decades it has been in existence. Yup, definitely anti Alberta and hypocrites.
Paper boy - 6 years ago
I believe that soon Canadians will buy back their media from the Americans. It will be as revolutionary as this oil debate. Canadians will demand to know where paychecks for local media staff originate.
Ryan P - 6 years ago
The environment and BC's coast is much more important to me than money.
Just get rid of your stupid politicians like we will
KK - 6 years ago
BUILD THE PIPELINE WE ARE ONE NATION AND AS SUCH WE SHOULD NOT BE HOLDING ANOTHER PROVINCE HOSTAGE, WE ARE GIVING OUR RESOURCES AWAY FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR THE EXTRA REVENUE WILL HELP CANADA AS A WHOLE. THE PEOPLE PROTESTING AGAINST THIS ARE FEW A FAR INBETWEEN THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IN BC I AM CONFIDENT IS FOR THE PIPELINE TO GO AHEAD. MR TRUDEAU IS DOING A GOOD JOB BY PUSHING THIS THROUGH. THE CLEANEST WAY TO TRANSPORT OIL IS THROUGH A PIPELINE SO I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT IS WITH THE PROTESTERS it's BETTER THAN SHIPPING BY RAIL.
J. Wylie - 6 years ago
Let me be another islander who says let's get this going so we can help the economy. This is stupid listening to a group of unemployed tree huggers
John in Vancouver - 6 years ago
I support the pipeline.There are lots of Indigenous who support the pipeline but you only hear about the one that don't.It is time for Canada to be allowed to export its oil to the world markets.It is sad to hear how big U.S. company,who want to block Canadian oil from export and keep it for themselves.Those same American companies are financing the B.C. protesters and damaging the Canadian economy .The protesters are hurting the economy of Canada,Shame.
S Guenette - 6 years ago
I think I would understand all the concerns by these few BC people if it wasn't for the fact that the Port of Vancouver is the LARGEST exporter of COAL on the planet. Talk about hypocritical.
You can actually see the sewage that is dumped into the ocean by Victoria if you take a scenic flight on one of the seaplanes that offers tours. It's quite frightening. I was questioning if I wanted to eat the salmon we caught on our fishing charter. It's really gross.
I also took a cruise ship ride from Vancouver to Alaska...the oil tankers are everywhere...like a lot of them. I'm confused. It's just the oil coming from the province of Alberta that is offensive?
I think the saying those who live in glass houses really fits the bill here. When will common sense prevail?
Sandra - 6 years ago
Online polls like this are unscientific and easily manipulated.
J Johnson - 6 years ago
Nothing like a bunch of anti-pipeline people listing sites from obscure Tumblr sites for "facts".
Then a professional poisnt scientific enough. Right.
The reality is... If someone is for the pipeline they are for it and if someone is against the pipeline they aren't.
Environmentalists won't care if they pay $2 a liter and they simply do not care if there are economic issues. It's never been their issue if they have a job that pays for healthy kids and a house and a car or have nice things, it just plays into their constant ideals... And then they'll expect the government to somehow tax the rich some more to fix societal ills in a socialist utopia, that this far hasn't existed in our world to date.
H Neufeld - 6 years ago
I say not only build a pipeline build a biggest
Refinery out in Agassiz and sell the finished product lower our gas prices to $0.98
Chris Gyotat - 6 years ago
Just build the pipeline. If Trudeau is behind it, you know they’re in for some good tax revenue.
Waiting game - 6 years ago
The longer Canada stalls on the pipe, the more likely the Americans will accept their bitch_man piped directly from Alberta into the U.S. ?? Canada can adjourn the matter for a year or so. ??
Kenny G. Anderson - 6 years ago
Hey "Ursinedream" who commented 2 hrs ago??
Your statement "No one I know on Vancouver island wants this pipeline..." is certainly invalid here in beautiful Qualicum Beach. EVERYBODY I know wants this pipeline, and none of us are even remotely ""geo terrorist- environmentalists"...
Do you possibly live in Elizabeth May's Sidney/Gulf Island riding?? With some luck, that whack job MP will soon be criminally charged for her idiotic illegal "activities"; & forced to resign from office to become the insignificant footnote in political history that she deserves.
Justin Evoy - 6 years ago
How many people voting live in B.C. I've lived in this beautifull province my entire life and I don't want to see the province destroyed by greed. We dont need this pipeline B.C. is taking the bulk of the risk and getting fuck all for it
John Gardner - 6 years ago
This poll has to be bogus, no control, mainly shills answering
Ange - 6 years ago
Cruise ship traffic in BC is increasing again this year... where are the protesters about those ships & the oil products contained within them? Hypocrites every last one. Let KM expand their operations already.
Gerrdone - 6 years ago
Build that pipeline!
The root of all evil. - 6 years ago
Mother nature destroys only to repair herself once again without any promise of money.
Inversely, mankind will need all the money in the world to repair the damage that all the money created.
Ray Chittenden - 6 years ago
Robert from Vancouver is 100% correct. The royalties off sold oil benefit all Canada.
Bill L - 6 years ago
Ah, a poll that appears in the national Google news attracts the Pyjamadrum and the usual gang.
Compare to the few hundred who answer most Sun polls, this is not being a "Good" poll.
There is no control, no sampling data, just a mob of howls.
Surely the Sun's millions could do better.
Just as the original Angus Reid poll was not reference valid, this poll is also not worthy of reporting.
Where is Chad Skelton who can explain polls, polling, surveys and the limits of open calls.
Bill L - 6 years ago
Ah, a poll that appears in the national Google news attracts the Pyjamadrum and the usual gang.
Compare to the few hundred who answer most Sun polls, this is not being a "Good" poll.
There is no control, no sampling data, just a mob of howls.
Surely the Sun's millions could do better.
Just as the original Angus Reid poll was not reference valid, this poll is also not worthy of reporting.
Where is Chad Skelton who can explain polls, polling, surveys and the limits of open calls.
Edie - 6 years ago
This is a bogus poll. No controls. No science. No validity.
ASH Clark - 6 years ago
Hey Horgan
Please look at the interest of Canada. Noone will be able to save environment and BC coast if economy is not saved. Let the pipeline go ahead.
Your tactics and craving for power has been revealed. Right now you are showing love for your newly acquired chair and are doing a treason with nation. Looks like you are also getting money from your foreign handlers and environmental extremists.
Ursinedream - 6 years ago
It seems sketchy to me that every Canadian news channel/site is glaringly pro pipeline and 95 percent of the time there is a clear bias. It's like they are a bunch of fox news lite propagandist. No one I know on Vancouver island wants this pipeline...and no one I know is a "geo terrorist- environmentalist " like the news keeps calling Natives and the rest of us in B.c. There are also several politicians and news sites saying the protesters are Russian actors trying to sabotage the Canadian economy...I think we have a serious Fake news problem unlike America.This is dangerous because it erodes trust in supposed institutions for truth and facts...hor example...I don't believe this poll.
Stephanie - 6 years ago
The amount of misinformation people are throwing into the comments is horrifying. BC DOES NOT NEED THIS PIPELINE!
Pipeline ... maybe, for refineries ONLY ! More tankers thru sensitive coastal waters ...NO ! Problem is, this bitumen CRAP can’t even be refined . And who wants it ? CHINA , of course so they can manufacture more plastic CRAP .
sam - 6 years ago
Lots of nonsense comments saying Alberta has to pay the price and prevent armagedon if this pipeline gets built. lots of nonsese speaks about environment but destroy the planet with sweage. Lots of nonsense speaks about how Alberta, BC, Sask and whole Canada should go down with trillions of dept and unemployment. This pipeline wont be built but I learnt something, you can do anything you want with spreading lie and fake news.
Karen - 6 years ago
Lots of uninformed people commenting here, repeating propaganda such as the myth that double-hulled tankers can't sink, and not understanding that the land is "unceded." If you don't understand what that means, look it up. And learn to spell. Your job won't mean anything if our environment is destroyed. Look at the bigger picture, folks.
JB - 6 years ago
Build it. Buy out KM, they don't want the risk of a billion lawsuits in the event of a spill, which could bankrupt them.
David Honda - 6 years ago
It seems Horgan has his facts wrong when he said most British Columbians do not support Kinder Morgan.
Harpreet Sekhon - 6 years ago
Mr Horgan, I am a born and raised British Columbian, and we need this build without ndp waisting anymore tax payer dollars. I was never a liberal supporter, growing up in a working class, union due paying family was always persuaded to vote ndp. Not anymore! Mr Trudeau Great job! You have got to be the best priminster in Canada to date, and will take Canadians to better wholesome life financially, economically, and environmentally, all round good job. Ndp in both provinces need to stop, there is nothing you can due for us but make us hurt, past is proof. BUILD THE PIPLINE!!
Matt Girvin - 6 years ago
Build the pipeline. Build it now. I am a Vancouver Island resident. We (Canada) need this pipeline.
John - 6 years ago
Message for the people against this you’re aware that pipeline or not it has no effect to the environment.
regardless the oil will be coming by rail which is even more dangerous (And more expensive so we end up selling our oil at a major discount to WTI and Brent oil prices)
Environmentalists want to help they should be targeting their attention to reducing demand for oil currently demand for oil has increasing hense prices of gas are going up.
All we’re doing is looking bad to the rest of the world that we’re not a place to invest in losing billions of dollars to the rest of the world.
BC will pay the most starting a trade war with in your own country not a good idea.
We are not able to bring our product to the market therefore we will be paying more for the price of gas.
Bill - 6 years ago
http://theenergymix.com/2018/04/10/exclusive-outside-the-bitumen-bubble/
THIS is why I'm not for a pipeline . Take away the tanker part of it and I'd be for it 100 % .
Michelle Alain - 6 years ago
Actually, there have been spills in double hulled tankers, that is just a lie you are being told. Look it up. It would increase the tanker traffic on our coast by 7 fold, there is no way to clean up diluted bitumen, there is no known safe exposure threshold, it puts our marine life, orcas, water, tourism industry, so many things at risk, with very little reward. Saying we will have higher taxes, reduced standard of living, and lower wages (what the heck do wages have to do with this pipeline??? lol) is just another lie you are being told. We barely tax big oil at all, it's embarrassing how little we tax them, and on top of the already low taxes, we give them subsidies. Other countries get at least 4 times what we do, up to 7 and even 9. We are too nice. Had we been taxing properly, we would have had plenty of money to invest in clean renewable energy and live up to our low ball paris agreement targets instead of actually raising our emissions by 8%. This pipeline is not going to make or break us like so many seem to think. We have plenty of pipelines already. We don't have a windfall of money. Oil only accounts for 2% of Canada's GDP. There is just too much risk for very little reward. Not good for B.C., not good for Canada. The only one's who benefit from this are big oil, kinder morgan, and depending how you look at it, Alberta. I don't consider it a benefit to take this bitumen out of the ground and leave the pond tailings behind that are made up of 1 TRILLION litres of toxic sludge that they have no idea how they are going to clean up afterwards, and were given until 2100 to figure it out. It's an environmental disaster, and has put us as the highest carbon emitters per capita. None of this is worth it. I can't understand how anyone could support this given the fragile state our planet is in. Wake up people!!
R - 6 years ago
Thsse polls have been being used to drum up support "proof" but have no restrictions as to what area can vote or country. The votes could be coming from anywhere.
So as they say "a new poll shows" they are drumming up propaganda machines tryin gto silence those who are fighting.
You should be ashamed of yourself, this isn't journalism. This is a bunch of quakery.
There is no transparency and these "polls" are being used as propaganda.
Please learn to do real journalism.
Jack - 6 years ago
Exactly James that's why there is a process designed by NEB and it takes few years to decide a project can be done or not...not just by a poll....
James - 6 years ago
What kind of joke is this? you can vote as many as time as you can...the credibility of these polls are really under question mark...
Shane Foster - 6 years ago
Actually building 2 state of the art oil refineries is the way to go more jobs here cheaper here and less risk to our coast with refined fuel over bittimen why do we send oil to be refined and buy it back at higher prices its like steel we send ore to china and then buy it back at a premium we should be refinning our own minerals for our own people and creating out own jobs instead of shipping it out to make jobs for other countries just like the fastcats yeah they might of been over on cost but at least all the workers on them were here in bc paying taxes weather it be federal or provincial so we all forget the overages were herby brought back in through tax workers here in our country so stop shipping raw resources care about canada not the rest
R NacRae - 6 years ago
About 60% of First Nations along the proposed re routing are against this. As such the pipe will not be expanded. Feds did not get prior informed consent, there are no buyers (show me who) there is no technology to clean up bitumen spills on land or water. KM has acted illegally in so many instances. They have caused and are causing there own delays. Anybody who doesn't know these points discounts or is ignorant of fact simply must either learn the facts or just be quiet and let those who see tbe big picture take care if the planet and our grand kids future.
Lets get the pipeline built . Enough already. How do you think we pay our bills? Well it is by creating wealth . We create wealth by being business oriented and not being a wrecking gang. This is a federal government project and must go ahead. I would also like to see the bullying stop in the coalition that is running the province at the moment.
Mike M - 6 years ago
At the end of the day , it doesn’t matter what I think. It is a Federally approved project . All John Horgan is doing right now is making our country look bad for future investment. Justin Trudeau should just tell Horgan “ No pipeline, No infrastructure funding . “
Dog treats - 6 years ago
Hypocrite Trudeau! Lets bring in a pipeline and ok a carbon tax
Tin - 6 years ago
unfair poll. Most people who vote against don’t spend as much time on newspaper, let alone smartphones
Robert in Vancouver - 6 years ago
There will be only one more tanker per day in Vancouver harbour after the pipeline is built. All oil tankers in our harbour have to be double hull, there's never been an oil spill from a double hull tanker because it's almost impossible to happen. The pipeline will be built with the latest metal technologies, automatic shutdowns in case of a leak, and 24/7 monitoring. If we don't build this pipeline, we will have a reduced standard of living, lower wages, higher taxes, and reduced social programs and pensions because nobody will invest in big projects in Canada.
Vancouver is a city of tourism. The pipeline will have a negative impact on the tourism industry there. Vancouver is a beautiful city. If tourism here is developed well, revenue from tourism industry can replace revenue from exporting oil. Pipeline extension is good but should be extended to the northside, not through Vancouver.
It is not just about the pipeline. The South Resident Orca population will be put at imminent danger if this pipeline goes through. The increase in tanker traffic will make it impossible for them to communicate and find food. The noise in the water will be horrendous.
Yes,build it,of course. We need jobs. We need investment in our country. It has already been approved,and we need to show the investment world community,we are open for business, Alberta need this to create growth for their major industry. If someone wanted to plant blueberries, there would be some ready to protest. We have clean up plans in place, there should never be spills,but if there is ,more work. We can make this practical for all, get it done!
Robert in Vancouver, you comment about double hulled tankers is grossly inaccurate, there have been three in the last year! The one in Indonesia is still burning, currently covering the same area as Paris.
if you think the BC government opposition is the only hurdle, think again! The Indigenous front, the student front, the soft environmental front, the hardcore environmental front, the NO TANKER front, the RAGING GRANNY's ..
Kinder Morgan planned at oil being $130-150/barrel, last week it was $60-65/barrel less than half what they need. Kinder Morgan still has some 600 permits to request.. there are issues with a number of municipalities, two-thirds of the indigenous groups. They have been ordered to remove the anti spawning mats that have been deployed and will have to find another solution for 500+ river crossings.
Kinder Morgan has already said the project is 'untenable'. They said they cannot litigate all the way to an operational pipeline.
Trudeau already acknowledged the approval was given so Alberta would sign on to the Carbon Tax. He said the method of approval was faulty and has already changed the system. Trans Mountain couldn't pass the current criteria.
Alberta's childish threats like Notley whine war.. grow up, want to play like that, wheat, beef, ANY oil, etc. At least BC is behaving like adults and saying, let the judge decide..
I can't believe how many people are still climate deniers. and they're quite vocal. Hard to believe actually. Climate Change is real and the third biggest (and dirtiest ) reserve must remain in the ground. 80% of all known reserves must stay in the ground. BELIEVE the SCIENCE. and stop this corporate greed.
The pipeline? Long term pain for short term gain. Can't you get it? The petro age is over. the oil companies are all geared up for alternatives, just trying to squeeze out the last few pennies from an industry on it's death-bed.The world is gasping for relief, and the options are available. The diehards are willing to lay down their, and your lives for a last fling at the high life. Get with it, move on. there is light at the end of the tunnel. Powered by clean energy!
I am motivated to stand with my community in resisting the treasonous direction that this irresponsible government has chosen; I stand with First Nations who have denied consent through their unceded territories. I choose real 'reconciliation' over perpetuating colonialism. I choose NOT to be self-serving and motivated by self-interest as demonstrated by all those who ignore the facts and scientific evidence of the enormous risks posed by the Kinder Morgan diluted bitumen pipeline to the people depending on the continuance of BC's largest watershed and fisheries. So Alberta, refine it, or KEEP IT IN THE GROUND!
...refine it at source(Junior says he has $2B extra he's looking to get rid of...your taxes)...or KEEP IT IN THE GROUND. It's junk and it can't be cleaned up. Stranded asset is better.
30 years from now people will be shaking their heads at the disinformation Texas billionaires have been able to spread far and wide, tapping into the resentment of people who feel they are being left behind by a modern economy. It feels like a culture war, divorced from common sense or long term thinking. This pipeline is a dying gasp of a sunset industry hell bent on extracting what it can in the limited time left. Most of the tar sands are "stranded assets" already, but nobody wants to admit it. The balance sheet write offs are going to hurt.
arrest the criminals that blockade work... or maybe shoot a few :) --- the rest of the flakes will scatter.
Patrick Rogers.
Are you aware that absolutely nothing that you said in your post is true?
Not one solitary fact to be found in your entire post. Just absurdist claptrap. Perhaps you should get your facts from somewhere other than the US anti oilsands lobby.
Australia has changed regulation to allow hydraulic fracturing to find oil. Canada doesn't want the cash, some one will take it. The globe has been warming for million of years... and it's not going to stop.
It's better to use the royalty to pay off the debt and build the infrstructures for the next generations to come...
It is in the national interest of canada our economy has been for years at the mercy of the USA it would be very beneficial to open new market and explore new economic aprotunity maybe one day we can use our own natural resources to produce world essential product and have a bullet proof economy as it is now we send oil buy back gas and diesel fuel
I wonder if those people who claim support of this project have any idea what is at stake. Do they know that great volumes of fracked natural gas from BC goes to heat the tar to extract it from the sand then natural gas condensate with industrial secrets is added and further heated to push this toxic mix through pipes to the coast. Much of this "Alberta Product" should never see the open market If Alberta had a product that did not threaten BC's environment, maybe we could reach an agreement.
I like how people comment how fake this poll is. If the results were the other way around you’d be sharing them all around social media saying “see, nobody wants it.” Just like they say Natives who support the pipeline are being paid by corporations. The hypocrisy of the BC government and the protesters is laughable. Tankers are already in Canadian waters, thousands of them. They are just not carrying Canadian oil. The best way to stop the shipment of oil is to stop using it. Not even the protestors are willing to do that. Vancouver traffic is terrible. It is amazing to see how many vehicles on the road here only have one person in them. Yet they blame oil companies for destroying the environment. It’s like blaming McDonald’s for making you fat. Nobody forced the Big Mac down your throat.
Bc is anti Alberta, they dump raw sewage into the waterways, just ok'ed mines to dump more tailings water containing dangerous chemicals into Lake Quesnell and are building a tank farm and pipeline beside the Fraser river.
The pipeline to carry AB product to tidewater is an expansion of the existing line which has had NO major spills in the decades it has been in existence. Yup, definitely anti Alberta and hypocrites.
I believe that soon Canadians will buy back their media from the Americans. It will be as revolutionary as this oil debate. Canadians will demand to know where paychecks for local media staff originate.
The environment and BC's coast is much more important to me than money.
Just get rid of your stupid politicians like we will
Just get rid of your stupid politicians like we will
BUILD THE PIPELINE WE ARE ONE NATION AND AS SUCH WE SHOULD NOT BE HOLDING ANOTHER PROVINCE HOSTAGE, WE ARE GIVING OUR RESOURCES AWAY FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR THE EXTRA REVENUE WILL HELP CANADA AS A WHOLE. THE PEOPLE PROTESTING AGAINST THIS ARE FEW A FAR INBETWEEN THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IN BC I AM CONFIDENT IS FOR THE PIPELINE TO GO AHEAD. MR TRUDEAU IS DOING A GOOD JOB BY PUSHING THIS THROUGH. THE CLEANEST WAY TO TRANSPORT OIL IS THROUGH A PIPELINE SO I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT IS WITH THE PROTESTERS it's BETTER THAN SHIPPING BY RAIL.
Let me be another islander who says let's get this going so we can help the economy. This is stupid listening to a group of unemployed tree huggers
I support the pipeline.There are lots of Indigenous who support the pipeline but you only hear about the one that don't.It is time for Canada to be allowed to export its oil to the world markets.It is sad to hear how big U.S. company,who want to block Canadian oil from export and keep it for themselves.Those same American companies are financing the B.C. protesters and damaging the Canadian economy .The protesters are hurting the economy of Canada,Shame.
I think I would understand all the concerns by these few BC people if it wasn't for the fact that the Port of Vancouver is the LARGEST exporter of COAL on the planet. Talk about hypocritical.
You can actually see the sewage that is dumped into the ocean by Victoria if you take a scenic flight on one of the seaplanes that offers tours. It's quite frightening. I was questioning if I wanted to eat the salmon we caught on our fishing charter. It's really gross.
I also took a cruise ship ride from Vancouver to Alaska...the oil tankers are everywhere...like a lot of them. I'm confused. It's just the oil coming from the province of Alberta that is offensive?
I think the saying those who live in glass houses really fits the bill here. When will common sense prevail?
Online polls like this are unscientific and easily manipulated.
Nothing like a bunch of anti-pipeline people listing sites from obscure Tumblr sites for "facts".
Then a professional poisnt scientific enough. Right.
The reality is... If someone is for the pipeline they are for it and if someone is against the pipeline they aren't.
Environmentalists won't care if they pay $2 a liter and they simply do not care if there are economic issues. It's never been their issue if they have a job that pays for healthy kids and a house and a car or have nice things, it just plays into their constant ideals... And then they'll expect the government to somehow tax the rich some more to fix societal ills in a socialist utopia, that this far hasn't existed in our world to date.
I say not only build a pipeline build a biggest
Refinery out in Agassiz and sell the finished product lower our gas prices to $0.98
Just build the pipeline. If Trudeau is behind it, you know they’re in for some good tax revenue.
The longer Canada stalls on the pipe, the more likely the Americans will accept their bitch_man piped directly from Alberta into the U.S. ?? Canada can adjourn the matter for a year or so. ??
Hey "Ursinedream" who commented 2 hrs ago??
Your statement "No one I know on Vancouver island wants this pipeline..." is certainly invalid here in beautiful Qualicum Beach. EVERYBODY I know wants this pipeline, and none of us are even remotely ""geo terrorist- environmentalists"...
Do you possibly live in Elizabeth May's Sidney/Gulf Island riding?? With some luck, that whack job MP will soon be criminally charged for her idiotic illegal "activities"; & forced to resign from office to become the insignificant footnote in political history that she deserves.
How many people voting live in B.C. I've lived in this beautifull province my entire life and I don't want to see the province destroyed by greed. We dont need this pipeline B.C. is taking the bulk of the risk and getting fuck all for it
This poll has to be bogus, no control, mainly shills answering
Cruise ship traffic in BC is increasing again this year... where are the protesters about those ships & the oil products contained within them? Hypocrites every last one. Let KM expand their operations already.
Build that pipeline!
Mother nature destroys only to repair herself once again without any promise of money.
Inversely, mankind will need all the money in the world to repair the damage that all the money created.
Robert from Vancouver is 100% correct. The royalties off sold oil benefit all Canada.
Ah, a poll that appears in the national Google news attracts the Pyjamadrum and the usual gang.
Compare to the few hundred who answer most Sun polls, this is not being a "Good" poll.
There is no control, no sampling data, just a mob of howls.
Surely the Sun's millions could do better.
Just as the original Angus Reid poll was not reference valid, this poll is also not worthy of reporting.
Where is Chad Skelton who can explain polls, polling, surveys and the limits of open calls.
Ah, a poll that appears in the national Google news attracts the Pyjamadrum and the usual gang.
Compare to the few hundred who answer most Sun polls, this is not being a "Good" poll.
There is no control, no sampling data, just a mob of howls.
Surely the Sun's millions could do better.
Just as the original Angus Reid poll was not reference valid, this poll is also not worthy of reporting.
Where is Chad Skelton who can explain polls, polling, surveys and the limits of open calls.
This is a bogus poll. No controls. No science. No validity.
Hey Horgan
Please look at the interest of Canada. Noone will be able to save environment and BC coast if economy is not saved. Let the pipeline go ahead.
Your tactics and craving for power has been revealed. Right now you are showing love for your newly acquired chair and are doing a treason with nation. Looks like you are also getting money from your foreign handlers and environmental extremists.
It seems sketchy to me that every Canadian news channel/site is glaringly pro pipeline and 95 percent of the time there is a clear bias. It's like they are a bunch of fox news lite propagandist. No one I know on Vancouver island wants this pipeline...and no one I know is a "geo terrorist- environmentalist " like the news keeps calling Natives and the rest of us in B.c. There are also several politicians and news sites saying the protesters are Russian actors trying to sabotage the Canadian economy...I think we have a serious Fake news problem unlike America.This is dangerous because it erodes trust in supposed institutions for truth and facts...hor example...I don't believe this poll.
The amount of misinformation people are throwing into the comments is horrifying. BC DOES NOT NEED THIS PIPELINE!
http://allthecanadianpolitics.tumblr.com/post/173086994519/a-song-of-stars-and-dreams-this-isnt-going-to
Pipeline ... maybe, for refineries ONLY ! More tankers thru sensitive coastal waters ...NO ! Problem is, this bitumen CRAP can’t even be refined . And who wants it ? CHINA , of course so they can manufacture more plastic CRAP .
Lots of nonsense comments saying Alberta has to pay the price and prevent armagedon if this pipeline gets built. lots of nonsese speaks about environment but destroy the planet with sweage. Lots of nonsense speaks about how Alberta, BC, Sask and whole Canada should go down with trillions of dept and unemployment. This pipeline wont be built but I learnt something, you can do anything you want with spreading lie and fake news.
Lots of uninformed people commenting here, repeating propaganda such as the myth that double-hulled tankers can't sink, and not understanding that the land is "unceded." If you don't understand what that means, look it up. And learn to spell. Your job won't mean anything if our environment is destroyed. Look at the bigger picture, folks.
Build it. Buy out KM, they don't want the risk of a billion lawsuits in the event of a spill, which could bankrupt them.
It seems Horgan has his facts wrong when he said most British Columbians do not support Kinder Morgan.
Mr Horgan, I am a born and raised British Columbian, and we need this build without ndp waisting anymore tax payer dollars. I was never a liberal supporter, growing up in a working class, union due paying family was always persuaded to vote ndp. Not anymore! Mr Trudeau Great job! You have got to be the best priminster in Canada to date, and will take Canadians to better wholesome life financially, economically, and environmentally, all round good job. Ndp in both provinces need to stop, there is nothing you can due for us but make us hurt, past is proof. BUILD THE PIPLINE!!
Build the pipeline. Build it now. I am a Vancouver Island resident. We (Canada) need this pipeline.
Message for the people against this you’re aware that pipeline or not it has no effect to the environment.
regardless the oil will be coming by rail which is even more dangerous (And more expensive so we end up selling our oil at a major discount to WTI and Brent oil prices)
Environmentalists want to help they should be targeting their attention to reducing demand for oil currently demand for oil has increasing hense prices of gas are going up.
All we’re doing is looking bad to the rest of the world that we’re not a place to invest in losing billions of dollars to the rest of the world.
BC will pay the most starting a trade war with in your own country not a good idea.
We are not able to bring our product to the market therefore we will be paying more for the price of gas.
http://theenergymix.com/2018/04/10/exclusive-outside-the-bitumen-bubble/
THIS is why I'm not for a pipeline . Take away the tanker part of it and I'd be for it 100 % .
Actually, there have been spills in double hulled tankers, that is just a lie you are being told. Look it up. It would increase the tanker traffic on our coast by 7 fold, there is no way to clean up diluted bitumen, there is no known safe exposure threshold, it puts our marine life, orcas, water, tourism industry, so many things at risk, with very little reward. Saying we will have higher taxes, reduced standard of living, and lower wages (what the heck do wages have to do with this pipeline??? lol) is just another lie you are being told. We barely tax big oil at all, it's embarrassing how little we tax them, and on top of the already low taxes, we give them subsidies. Other countries get at least 4 times what we do, up to 7 and even 9. We are too nice. Had we been taxing properly, we would have had plenty of money to invest in clean renewable energy and live up to our low ball paris agreement targets instead of actually raising our emissions by 8%. This pipeline is not going to make or break us like so many seem to think. We have plenty of pipelines already. We don't have a windfall of money. Oil only accounts for 2% of Canada's GDP. There is just too much risk for very little reward. Not good for B.C., not good for Canada. The only one's who benefit from this are big oil, kinder morgan, and depending how you look at it, Alberta. I don't consider it a benefit to take this bitumen out of the ground and leave the pond tailings behind that are made up of 1 TRILLION litres of toxic sludge that they have no idea how they are going to clean up afterwards, and were given until 2100 to figure it out. It's an environmental disaster, and has put us as the highest carbon emitters per capita. None of this is worth it. I can't understand how anyone could support this given the fragile state our planet is in. Wake up people!!
Thsse polls have been being used to drum up support "proof" but have no restrictions as to what area can vote or country. The votes could be coming from anywhere.
So as they say "a new poll shows" they are drumming up propaganda machines tryin gto silence those who are fighting.
You should be ashamed of yourself, this isn't journalism. This is a bunch of quakery.
There is no transparency and these "polls" are being used as propaganda.
Please learn to do real journalism.
Exactly James that's why there is a process designed by NEB and it takes few years to decide a project can be done or not...not just by a poll....
What kind of joke is this? you can vote as many as time as you can...the credibility of these polls are really under question mark...
Actually building 2 state of the art oil refineries is the way to go more jobs here cheaper here and less risk to our coast with refined fuel over bittimen why do we send oil to be refined and buy it back at higher prices its like steel we send ore to china and then buy it back at a premium we should be refinning our own minerals for our own people and creating out own jobs instead of shipping it out to make jobs for other countries just like the fastcats yeah they might of been over on cost but at least all the workers on them were here in bc paying taxes weather it be federal or provincial so we all forget the overages were herby brought back in through tax workers here in our country so stop shipping raw resources care about canada not the rest
About 60% of First Nations along the proposed re routing are against this. As such the pipe will not be expanded. Feds did not get prior informed consent, there are no buyers (show me who) there is no technology to clean up bitumen spills on land or water. KM has acted illegally in so many instances. They have caused and are causing there own delays. Anybody who doesn't know these points discounts or is ignorant of fact simply must either learn the facts or just be quiet and let those who see tbe big picture take care if the planet and our grand kids future.
Lets get the pipeline built . Enough already. How do you think we pay our bills? Well it is by creating wealth . We create wealth by being business oriented and not being a wrecking gang. This is a federal government project and must go ahead. I would also like to see the bullying stop in the coalition that is running the province at the moment.
At the end of the day , it doesn’t matter what I think. It is a Federally approved project . All John Horgan is doing right now is making our country look bad for future investment. Justin Trudeau should just tell Horgan “ No pipeline, No infrastructure funding . “
Hypocrite Trudeau! Lets bring in a pipeline and ok a carbon tax
unfair poll. Most people who vote against don’t spend as much time on newspaper, let alone smartphones
There will be only one more tanker per day in Vancouver harbour after the pipeline is built. All oil tankers in our harbour have to be double hull, there's never been an oil spill from a double hull tanker because it's almost impossible to happen. The pipeline will be built with the latest metal technologies, automatic shutdowns in case of a leak, and 24/7 monitoring. If we don't build this pipeline, we will have a reduced standard of living, lower wages, higher taxes, and reduced social programs and pensions because nobody will invest in big projects in Canada.
Get the dambd thing bilt.
Get it built!!